he has XY chromosomes and looks like a guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47916854)

how is this relevant to the boxer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47916885)

bottom line is that he is dangerous to women fighters and international women’s boxing already banned him, but shitlib IOC did not. no idea why you’re so eager to defend this guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47916912)

seems very likely she was born with a vagina.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920421)

other chromosomal disorders go to the special olympics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920972)

there are innumerable endocrine disorders that result in huge athletic advantages. in fact nearly every world class athlete is going to have abnormal levels.

if a woman has male levels of T and HGH because of a pituitary issue should they be allowed to play?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921031)

as far as competition the issue is a bit more nuanced because there are a ton of medical conditions that would cause a woman to have superior athleticisms beyond chromosomes. but i'm not willing to give shitlibs the ability to define gender beyond "vagina?" why are you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921540)

2. there are two (and only two) genders

3. the difference between "male" and "female" is hard-coded into our DNA. that is to say, if you have a Y chromosome, you are a man.

it's really not that difficult. most of us learned this shit as toddlers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921688)

this is irreconcilable with the fact that there have been people with y chromosomes that have a vagina and have given birth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921703)

"Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis."

it takes two seconds of googling to find instances of women with xy chromosomes that are fertile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922071)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920616)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920892)

and no, she was banned from one competition and has subsequently participated in others, like the one i just mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920969)

some men with XX chromosomes can have normal size penises and get erections. some women with XY chromosomes have functioning ovaries and can give birth.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8097651/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

sorry shitlib, a person with a vagina is a woman. but keep getting anally penetrated by "women" with fully functioning male genitals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921016)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921040)

you, jerk off to pictures of men in dresses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921058)

i still think you're a man even though you have klinefelter syndrome. what do you consider some with XXY chromosomes? some mysterious third gender?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921095)

go groom someone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921123)

whatever floats your boat pervo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921152)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921166)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921341)

you believe people with biological vaginas can be men and people with biological penises can be women. i don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921350)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922894)

She has DSD but was born with a vagina. She looks as masculine as that US rugby player who probably has elevated testosterone as do many female athletes at the Olympics. Women’s sports are always going to have this issue because the best athletes will usually be the manliest women. Taller, more muscular, meaner, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47916880)

Still, with XY and heightened testosterone in an inherently dangerous sport, this is an easy case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47917781)

I’m not bashing her as a mentally ill tranny freak, but nevertheless athlete safety comes first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47917879)

this isn't really a trans irl man in women sports culture war thing at all like its been pitched by congrift inc.

genetic freaks and intersex have always existed. the rule should probably be they need to compete in mens. one drop rule. not fair to women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47917942)

she's half man and should compete with the men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47918063)

Now consider that two of them are in the Olympics. There's your advantage. Doesn't matter if they've lost in the past. They shouldn't be competing against women.

Let's say it puts them right in the middle of the sexes in musculature development, etc. You should have to punch UP, not down. They should fight the men if they want to compete.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922161)

The Italian took a punch during the first 46 seconds and that was it. She thought her nose was broken.

Having a competitive advantage means she can hit as hard as a man. It doesn't mean she'll be able to punch every time. She has hyperandrogenism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47925477)

same thing if you have balls and a vagina or a dick and breasts (many lawyers are halfies under this definition as well)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922022)

in any case nobody really knows what the deal is regarding his/her condition, status of genitals, etc. too much T and XY chromosomes are enough to go with the IBA decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47917884)

irl I guess maybe she has a vajajay so it’s complicated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47918006)

gender is binary and determined by genitals and chromosomes. but when a variety of intersex conditions are revealed to them they refuse to alter their thinking. and in an incredible irony, tdnw's glitchout scrambled his brain and now he's confident that a person born with a biological vagina that was not born with any male external sex organs is a man.

tdnw shitconned himself into an extremely pro-LGBT stance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920761)

a hermaphrodite usually refers to someone born with some combination of male and female sex organs. however not all people with DSDs are hermaphrodites. someone with swyer syndrome has XY chromosomes, a vagina, and no male sex organs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920448)

See here there are 2 boxers with this same condition - or in the Caster Semaya days like 4 of the 8 finalists were intersex.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47918489)

if this ever happens where non-intersex women are not competitive i'd have a problem with it. but it's such an abnormality that it's not worth carving out exceptions in the rules.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920460)

There are TWO(2!) intersex people in this event, even though they make up less than 1 in 100,000 people.

Last Olympics the top 3 middle distancers on the podium were all intersex.

It obviously isnt fair and its obvious that especially in certain events, the women cannot compete against intersex (and if there wre more intersex people this would be the case in every event).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920779)

every world class female athlete is going to be a genetic outlier. all world class athletes are. you can't will yourself into being the worlds best physically.

as soon as you start defining "woman" beyond "vagina: y/n?" you're opening the door to all sorts of nonsense, you fucking retard. that's the test. it's very simple. you were born with a vagina and did not receive medical interventions that gave you an unfair advantage. if a person with a vagina has unnaturally high T, or growth hormone, or whatever -- thems the brakes. any test beyond "has vagina" is going to be subjective and disqualify some XY vagina-having women. and you're going to wind up with penis-having people like spaceporn dominating women's boxing because they were born with unnaturally low T.

hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920831)

how exactly would this test work? the boxer in question has lost to other olympic women and would not beat any olympic men. but because she could beat *some* men means she can't compete as a woman? every olympic woman will be able to beat *some* men. what level of "man" must a woman be able to compete against before she cannot compete as a woman? and you're OK that this will prohibit literally every biological woman with no medical conditions from competing in women's sports?

god you're so dumb. i predict you will respond to none of these.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920864)

intersex people are a pretty small wrinkle when it comes to gendered sports. there aren't a ton of intersex people trying to compete in women's sports. if you were born with a vagina and weren't raised as a boy with medical intervention like HRT you should be able to compete in women's sports. until the olympics are packed with imane khelifs i don't see why the rules should go beyond "do you have a biological vagina: yes or no?"

some people are too stupid to realize that as soon as you start defining gender beyond this you're letting in the camel's nose and soon the IOC and other bodies will do all sorts of shitlib black magic to redefine what it means to be a "woman."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920496)

the tranny shit has really warped people's brains.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920577)

lots of athletes are going to be genetic freaks. i'm sure every natty world class female xx weightlifter has abnormally high T and muscle development. outliers will always exist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920628)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568109&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920696)

You don't have to be mean, but you also don't have to be an idiot.

This is just Caster Semenya 2.0. I felt for Caster Semenya when it happened to her, but also, since the controversy, "she" has went on to father children.

It should be obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron that it isn't fair for these intersex folks to compete in women's sports - otherwise there's no point to women's sports.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920802)

I don't know, this starts to raise the larger question of what is women's sports. Should these intersex people be banned from the olympics like Oscar Pistorius.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920844)

it's obvious to anyone that's actually studied intersex shit that the issue is far more nuanced than you're giving credit for. there are dozens of conditions out there that make women more masculine and men more feminine. what about a endocrine issues that produce elevated testosterone and growth hormone but the person still has XY chromosomes and a vagina? is that person "a man" because their body happens to produce male levels of hormones?

if we're going to have gendered sports there needs to be an objective test for gender. i can't think of anything better than "born with a vagina and did not receive masculinizing medical intervention." if intersex people start topping world records i'll change my mind. but intersex people have existed forever and that hasn't happened yet. a caster semenya or imane khelif here or there is a negligible outlier.

i assume you're an anti-trans person to be such a hardliner on this. which is insane because you should be *for* a gender binary and objective test for gender. as soon as you start toying with T levels and chromosomes you're endorsing a gender spectrum that will permit all sorts of shitlib nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47920959)

I can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921192)

She won 2 gold medals, the rest of the field was more or less all intersex.

Her time would've won in 2020 if she was allowed to compete.

The only reason she doesn't have the world record is because its held by a roided up science experiment

https://athleticsweekly.com/blog/the-world-800m-record-that-has-stood-the-test-of-time-1039969804/#:~:text=Jarmila%20Kratochv%C3%ADlov%C3%A1's%20800m%20mark%20of,testing%20her%20speed%20over%20200m.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921269)

you're literally arguing an extreme tranny position here that a person's gender can be changed with hormones. sorry, but i don't subscribe to that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47921328)

(i) The gender doesn't change with hormones. The gender changes with chromosomes. She's a man with male chromosomes, some of which male chromosomes are defecitive and make her appear more female.

(ii) I'm bringing up the doping scandal because you said "She didn't even have the world record." She would have the world record if not for the fact that this other obvious non-normal female holds the world record - see pic below...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922016)

you think it's a complex analysis of hormones and chromosomes and you need to have a karyotype test performed before you can even begin to decipher what gender someone is.

i think it's based on having biological male or female genitals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922035)

other intersex disorders can result in both testes and a vagina, like caster. others don't. usually if someone is born with functioning testes it's obvious they have an intersex disorder even if the testes are internal. some people go their whole lives not knowing they are intersex. there is a woman with xy chromosomes that developed ovaries and had children without medical intervention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2...id#47922232)