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Are there any xo posters who understand why we have only two parties?
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:42 PM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799315) |
Date: April 6th, 2026 11:46 PM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad Because they commit literal election fraud to keep third-party and independent candidates off the ballots; when that fails, they smear and sabotage them.
The uniparty relies on "lesser evil" thinking to stay in power. They need that. They're both owned by the same corporations, billionaires, and Israel. They play good-cop-bad-cop (forcing culture wars to divide people on which is which) but ultimately neither does anything to improve the lives of everyday people. That's why it's a pendulum. One party gets in power and does such a bad job that the people in the middle swing to the other after two terms (two terms because people don't like change, not because they're actually satisfied with the government). Ad infinitum. |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:47 PM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness That's not why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799328) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:49 PM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad That's why it's like that now. Idk how it originally got that way in the 1700s or 1800s or whatever, especially cuz the founding fathers warned against it, but my poast is accurate for the past century or two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799329) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:55 PM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad If you want the proximate cause, it's the way voting works. First past the poast, electoral college, etc.
But it's set up that way – even though RCV is better and more popular and everyone hates the EC – because of the stuff I said. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:02 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness Nah, it has nothing to do with the electoral college either. It's the unavoidable mathematical consequence of having single-member districts in the House. The prole "Founding Fathers" hadn't done the maths when they set it up that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799350) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:03 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad The EC part was just about the presidential elections obv
Why is my first poast wrong in your opinion? |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:06 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness You could have all of those same things going on in a proportional representation system and you'd still have ten parties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799361) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:08 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad I mean my first reply. Of course I vastly oversimplified the points about the voting system because the important part to me is the ruling class's underlying motivation for keeping the two-party system intact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799362) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:16 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness Hmmm, let me get at this a different way, via the Socratic Method: Do you suspect they have a different ruling class in Europe, who are more benevolent and thus allow more than two political parties in those countries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799368) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:18 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad It's obviously a combination of factors. Idk enough about how the Euro systems work. But it's crazy to imply that every evil ruling class gets away with the same shit in every country lmao. Then everything would work the same everywhere. Things develop differently. I'm explaining why things are how they are here.
It IS a different ruling class. It's no more benevolent, but you know, things are different in different places, obviously. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:20 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
That's why |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:28 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad Again, that's the proximate cause, and I explained the underlying reason the ruling class likes to keep it this way. I like you and genuinely think you're smart but you're fixating too much on what's essentially a trivium you learned 30 years ago and not seeing the bigger picture.
Ty for link though, it is an interesting trivium |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:31 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness Yeah, the trivium is very interesting. And I expect this particular trivium explains the structure far more than the ruling-class theory does. The ruling class could still do all the things they do in a proportional rep system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799384) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:35 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad What do you mean "all the things they do"? The sabotage and ballot rigging and stuff? The meat of what I was trying to say is the beginning of my second para: the fact that these particular institutions with power right now (Ds and Rs) wouldn't be able to keep power in a system with more viable parties. Perhaps the ruling class would infiltrate the other ones too eventually, but I think that'd take a while, and honestly I can't imagine them being as corrupt as the Ds and Rs. And at least there'd be slightly more flavors of corruption to choose from lol.
Personally I am a third-party voter. I left the Dems in 2021. I would consider voting for an outsider running as a Dem – definitely would've voted for Mamdani, for example – but I haven't found one worth voting for since then. Have only voted for Independents and Greens, and I also like PSL and Peace and Freedom. And I respect SOME of the prominent Libertarians (but wouldn't vote for one). |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:38 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness The fact that you wrote "these particular institutions with power right now (Ds and Rs) wouldn't be able to keep power in a system with more parties" suggests that I haven't explained this very well, or that you didn't read the trivium for comprehension, my friend.
Unrelated question: Do you ever use any form of cannabis? |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:41 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad I edited to "more viable parties" since it was kinda tautological with my original wording. How does that imply that I don't understand the mechanisms that keep it this way? They're two separate things: the "why" and the "how."
Ya I smoke most nights but not heavily |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness 180
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:04 AM Author: henna friendly grandma business firm r u doing a nsam shtick now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799356) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:09 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness Lol, it just occurred to me from seeing a TBF post where he was ranting about "the two-party system"
And then I recalled how I learned back in 1997 why we only have two sustainable parties, and was musing at how few people understand why it's structurally that way and there's nothing we can do about it unless we get rid of SMDs. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:33 AM Author: Wonderful pervert stead the founders had some pretty lofty ideas about how democracy would work. they didnt anticipate this level of party partisanship. after all, there were factions during the continental congress and constitutional convention, but they managed to work togethet for the common interest.
we were the first experiment like this. i dont think they could have anticipated this level of intense two party partisanship. and if they did they expected the law would continue to change to adapt to future problems. they'd be horrified their dead hands still controlled the law 250 years later. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:42 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799399) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:42 AM Author: swollen piazza Is it not the case, however, that in the event that no one could agree on an amenable and adequate change to the law that de facto the original law ought to be upheld nevertheless? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799400) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: Jet Drunken Messiness wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799402) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:45 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad Yeah that guy reeks in every thread of someone who prefers ideologies with Easy Answers to actually considering nuance and morals. Probably autistic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799407) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:49 AM Author: swollen piazza I'm sorry I can't be as densely verbose as you. If it makes you feel any better I have no idea who you are and recollect nothing you have ever contributed but I recognize your moniker from angry spergouts. Thank you for your attention to this matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799410) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:54 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad Link to me sperging out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799417) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:47 AM Author: swollen piazza gunneratttt is permanently MAF that there aren't 4000 viable parties to choose from like the vaunted Italian parliament. If he had it his way the floor of the People's House would spend their days splitting hairs between the Red-Greens and the Green-Reds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799409) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:34 AM Author: Wonderful pervert stead no. i think we should talking about issues and not parties. i don't think it should matter if there was one party or one thousand. the concept of factionalization and political parties is destructive since politics is creating the best policy for the entire nation.
right now we're living in a cold civil war. recognizing that isn't the same as saying that war should be factionalized even further. once again you're just inventing positions ive never said. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:35 AM Author: swollen piazza This is changing especially with Nick Fuentes, whom you hate. He is out there telling groypers not to think about parties but about issues. Go for whomever advances your cause. I think people are waking up to this. It's all part of the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799462) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:39 AM Author: Wonderful pervert stead also never said i hated fuentes and have explictly said i agree with many things he says. including focusing on issues over political parties. although that seems to contrast with his vote blue no matter who strategy.
why do you keep writing lengthy replies completely unrelated to what im saying about things youve hallucinated i believe? |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:43 AM Author: swollen piazza I don't know I'm really tired. I don't think we're disagreeing. He said vote for your local groyper if possible but if not vote blue to punish the admin. I think he hates Trump a little too much. I understand his frustration but I'm not as gung ho about it. I guess there's a little neocon in all of us... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799479) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 12:46 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad Dumb post in substance but I actually loled at the username/intro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799408) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:28 AM Author: Wonderful pervert stead of course.
my point is that the it's not true the founders "didn't do the math", it's they never conceived that this level of hyperpartisanship is something that needed to be mitigated. and also that they never intended to create neverchanging system. an amendment process was written into the constitution because they understood that changes are inevitable, so they weren't concerned with mitigating issues that would arise hundreds of years later. they never even anticipated the federal government would become as powertul as it is.
it's hard enough to create a brand new system that works in their. and they failed the first time with the articles of confederation. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:33 AM Author: swollen piazza We have a far, far more decisive and dynamic system than, say, France, for example. Other countries have far worse partisan gridlock than we do where absolutely nothing can get done without maximal consensus.
Conversely a country like England where technically parliament can override any other branch of government and change any historical law at any time, the rapid change only moves to the left, has never once course corrected, and they now live in a disturbing police state where people are locked up for thought crimes.
Between French quagmire and British suicidal tendencies I still think we have the best system. I'm not sure what more you could ask for. |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:36 AM Author: Wonderful pervert stead i just said im just responding to epah to contest him saying the founders didn't do the math. you're ranting against things im not saying. i agree that our system is better than many others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799463) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:38 AM Author: swollen piazza I didn't grasp a word EPAH said about math ITT. He's too many torpedoes deep at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799470) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:36 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad We could ask for, um, parties that aren't corrupt and bought out?? And actually deliver for the people?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799464) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:38 AM Author: swollen piazza Things are Changing imo. This is just the process playing out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799471) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:39 AM Author: Concupiscible sooty abode chad One can only hoap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799472) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 4:11 AM Author: cerise vivacious point ratface lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799528) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 1:39 AM Author: Flesh Shitlib Cuckold And we put one guy in charge out of 330 million? I call flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5854392&forum_id=2...id#49799474) |