Redditors are fixated on the "minimum wage"
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:30 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
1) because it's immoral
2) because mass poverty is ruinous for society and is bad even for those with means too
3) because if things get bad enough they will kill you and take your shit. there's never been a time where this hasn't happened eventually and there's no reason to think if they outnumber us and can't survive otherwise that they'll be content to suffer and die off this time.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:54 PM Author: AdolfHitler88
this is a bunch of gibberish followed by the admission that there is no real solution within the paradigm of our current society (which is cr)
there's no rational argument that anyone can successfully make for giving handouts to people who are so useless that they can't produce enough value to keep themselves alive. it's why people who advocate for parasites always appeal to supra-rational moral arguments like "god says that every human is equally valuable, so we need to give everyone free stuff to keep them alive"
this extends outside of explicit political boundaries, too. the current Party Line of the dominant ideology and ruling class of our society is that we need to give infinity free money and medicine to third world countries in order to keep every monkey brown ape from dying from hunger and AIDS because they'd literally die without it. there's no rational argument for this and there never will be
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:17 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
there is a rational argument:
1) for many people, its self-evidently immoral to allow their fellow citizens to live in squalor and die when we have plentiful resources.
2) these people will make the QOL bad for the rest of us including the possibility of killing us and taking our shit, and since we lack the political will to exterminate them its in our rational self interest to ensure they are confortable enough not to kill and eat us
if you're an absolute social darwinist that's fine. i think that's stupid and ruinous, but im not going to argue there is no cogent rational framework. you pounding the table and saying "no rational argument!" and strawmanning by inventing arguments im not making is bad faith at best and myopic at worst. you just disagree, that doesn't make my arguments irrational.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: AdolfHitler88
1. this is a moral argument, not an argument from reason
2. this is just an argument for killing these people before they kill us
we're just repeating ourselves. you have a personal belief that it's mean and immoral to not keep parasites alive. i get it. obviously i don't agree. but stop trying to claim it's rational. it's not
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
1) moral arguments are not inherently irrational.
2) we do not have the political will to do this. this is specifically why i made a cold amoral purely rational argument in addition to the common sense moral one.
your counterargument (kill them!) is impossible and thus not a serious counterargument.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
another great idea. i copied and pasted our conversation into grok verbatim. perhaps you should do this in future to avoid stupid bad faith consuela sophistry
https://imgur.com/a/FfMqT5b
No, Gunner is not arguing that Goy has a moral obligation to give free stuff to people who would kill Goy if he didn’t. Gunner’s position is focused on ensuring that people who work full-time jobs earn a minimum wage sufficient to cover basic necessities, not about giving handouts to non-workers. Gunner explicitly distinguishes this from "gibs" (free handouts) and emphasizes that the argument applies to hardworking people, not "idle able-bodied people."
Gunner’s arguments include:
1. A moral stance that it’s wrong for full-time workers to live in poverty when resources are plentiful.
2. A practical, self-interested point that mass poverty could lead to societal instability, potentially threatening everyone, including the wealthy, if desperation drives people to violence or revolt.
3. The observation that society lacks the political will to adopt Goy’s suggested extreme solution (killing off "useless" people), making it an unrealistic counterargument.
Goy mischaracterizes Gunner’s position as advocating for handouts to "useless parasites," framing it as a supra-rational moral plea rather than engaging with Gunner’s point about market failures or societal stability. Gunner counters that moral arguments aren’t inherently irrational and that ensuring a living wage for workers is both practical and in society’s self-interest, given the absence of political will for Goy’s brutal social Darwinist approach.
In short, Gunner is arguing for a system where full-time work guarantees a basic standard of living, not for giving free resources to people who might otherwise harm Goy. The threat of violence is presented as a rational, historical consequence of extreme inequality, not a moral obligation to provide handouts.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: sealclubber
so stupid
which laborers? factory workers in 2025 can afford a home and family on a single income
so can construction workers (your hammer swinger). so can trash collection workers.
so can truck drivers.
so who are these similarly situated 1950s laborers who don't have options in 2025?
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:02 PM
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Mcdonald workers and starbucks barristas
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:51 PM Author: sealclubber
to be fair, this is why you need to define what you are talking about
shortly before you defined necessities
you said this "why should a laborer in 1950 be able to afford a home and family on a single income"
everyone would assume you meant a single family home
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: toll job
because women didn't work and the stuff that the prole laborer bought was wayyyy less comfortable/advanced than it is today.
there are tons of 1000 square feet houses for sale that people dont want that was standard fare for the prole laborer.
there are $5,000 used cars that are way more reliable than what the prole laborer was used to.
library cards are free. the prole laborer now can just get a used tv and dvd player and endlessly get free dvds from a library.
the prole laborer can do all of these things and live very cheaply, but no one wants to live like the prole laborer.
because the internet has given everyone severe status anxiety now and everyone is fucking whiny lazy piece of shit now.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
yeah it's all avocado toast and overspending.
is there anyone here that isn't an alt-right mpc refugee that agrees with this aside from sealclubber? these positions are so far outside the overton window that i doubt many people itt would have the balls to even say them irl amongst polite company.
ive said my position. if you guys want to circlejerk about social darwinism and the government abdicating it's role in providing for the welfare of its people, have at it. although this is the reddit-tier position that is right at home on /r/libertarian. no serious person would say it's achievable even if they personally thought it would be the best. its libertarian utopia circlejerking.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:50 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt)
good idea, heres the results:
Yes, the concept of providing for the people's welfare is embedded in the U.S. Constitution, primarily through the Preamble, which states that one of the document's purposes is to "promote the general Welfare." This phrase reflects the government's role in ensuring the well-being of its citizens. Additionally, Article I, Section 8 grants Congress the power to "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" through taxation and spending, often referred to as the General Welfare Clause. However, the specific interpretation and scope of "general welfare" have been debated historically, with some viewing it as a broad mandate for public welfare programs and others seeing it as more limited. The Constitution does not explicitly outline welfare programs but provides a framework for Congress to address public needs.
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: sealclubber
why would anyone think
promote general welfare of its citizenry
is different than
pay welfare to its citizenry?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2...id.#49135276)
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: sealclubber
the minimum wage has nothing to do with businesses clamoring for illegals
no fucking roof contractor is paying his illegals minimum wage or less. faggeratttt is just a naive dumbass
if businesses are clamoring for illegals, it's because they can pay them less than citizens. only a moron would conflate this. (here comes faggerratttt)
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