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NYT: Climate change caused LA fires. No, you're not smarter than Science.
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:12 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class My anger over what we have done to this fragile, exquisite Earth was muffled by grief until the other evening when I was watching a news program that had a panel of commentators. The subject was Los Angeles on fire, and one person mentioned climate change as a cause. Another commentator smirked and said he didn’t believe it was the cause.
I felt rage surge up past my grief.
My first thought was: “You think you know more than scientists? The scientists who have been warning us for decades?” Then I thought: “This young man wasn’t even born when I was running through tall green grasses at our ranch beneath skies that were clear and blue. He has no idea what Earth used to be like.” The beauty I grew up around seems like it was so long ago, but it really wasn’t.
I’m still heartbroken, but I want us to be angry. Not a destructive anger, a righteous anger. I want us to stand up for an Earth that was created with perfect balance, with beauty and mystery and a divine artistry. An Earth that was put here not for our consumption and our greed but for our nourishment. An Earth that has so much to teach us, and that needs protection, now more than ever.
We have thrown an entire planet out of balance, and now we are suffering the consequences — weather patterns so severe we have no idea how to combat them, and the resulting fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, more severe than anything we’ve known before.
We can grieve and be righteously angry at the same time. Or there is another scenario. We can be nomads wandering across barren acres of land that were there for our sustenance, if only we’d had the sense to know that and protect the Earth we were given. |
Date: January 13th, 2025 9:14 PM Author: DewarsDude I felt rage surge up past my grief tp
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:16 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class otroad NE and CA 12h ago In a health crisis like the pandemic, doctors were available all the time to answer questions from the media, politicians and the public.
Since politicians assure us that we are in an existential climate crisis, and we are supposed to spend tens of trillions, that is hundreds of thousand for every US family, to even start to slow the climate change, shouldn't climate scientists be there to answer questions about past, present and future climate, and about the expected effects of these expenses, to the media, politicians and the public?
That would be very reassuring for any family who spends a few hundred thousand, maybe a million for NYT readers, who are better off, on slowing the way climate changes? |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:15 PM Author: Candy Ride I really hope Trump's vibe shift makes these "people" disappear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550633) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:16 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class RMerrell Seattle, WA 12h ago And so it has come to this. While our world heats up and developers will never be satiated in their drive to build in areas far too fragile, some Americans have enthusiastically embraced a felon and his political party who loudly and proudly shout "Drill baby, drill!". They have no interest in alternatives. Yet when natural and human enhanced natural disasters occur, they become the finger pointers, unable to acknowledge their direct complicity in pushing for more carbon, more pollution, more devastation. We will never drill our way out of this predicament, no matter what the felon or the oil companies are determined for us to accept and believe. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:18 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class otroad NE and CA 12h ago It would help considerable if people who mention stopping climate change should mention to what period, and by what measurable means? For instance $2 trillion was spent under Biden on climate action, with zero effects on CO2 growth, thus zero effects on climate. Is that good? Sure, if you got $1 bn to build an experimental CO2 storage device, which buries 1 millisecond of emissions every year.
Should LA have built 50 new reservoirs and desalination plants and raked underbrush, buried cables and bought 100 fire planes, all with $20 bn, that is 1% of those $2 trillion? Some say yes, some say no. We should ask the angelenos.
PS My physics student was just accepted today for a PhD at USC. I told him to not move yet there, right now... (he would start in the fall, but he waits for other places.) We sometimes discuss the climate measured data. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:19 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class Joe Marietta, Ga 12h ago The tragedy in Los Angeles has already highlighted one of Trump's most destructive tendencies. Instead of talking about Americans pulling together and building back better, he uses the tragedy of a burning city as a political punching bag.
To expand this idea, I try to consider the tens of thousands of man/woman hours frittered away by Republicans in congress over the past years Trump has been their demigod. Time that could have spent building and implementing legislation that would address climate change and emergency response efforts by government at different levels, has been spent spreading disinformation and creating a polarized electorate for political gain at the expense of whomever stands in their way. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:21 PM Author: sealclubber I try to consider the tens of thousands of man/woman hours frittered away by Republicans in congress over the past years it's truly amazing how a shitlib can say this without appreciating the sham that the jan 6 congressional facade was |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:22 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class I have absolutely no clue how these "people" exist. The existence of shitlibs to me is the greatest mystery in the universe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48551157) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:27 PM Author: sealclubber i think it's core beliefs shitlibs have incredibly wrong core beliefs, but to their credit they know enough not to state them outright
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:21 PM Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,, Land burning that has burned historically for thousands of years is climate "change." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550649) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:24 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class The comments are so unhinged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550656) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:25 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class Jasper California 12h ago Greed and over-population are to blame. Today's politicians had little to do with the rampant development into the hills from 1950 - 2000. Some had nothing to do with the spread of homes into the urban wild-land interface over the past twenty-five years.
It is easy to throw blame around but the truth is that our large expanding families are as much to blame for this months fires in SoCal as is the greed of billionaires who have controlled the decisions that eventually brought us here long before our current mayors and governor entered politics.
I can't wait to see what the soon to be felon president does to the United States starting in eight days. This ought to be a miserable four years. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:40 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, related:
here is a NYT graph of the long term drought trends in California. notice anything?
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9ffCIbtO4myEj-Jc63kUHsvfiAZy3BsjUokEDMeCEgloQGsQzdKFHmXIjJtVsZnytY59WOiOltA7rQANsAvSExrGZL7rbnGR7blF-fBImJfun3YjYTECbfLqXQ1X5regRXQZ_B8aaupg/s1600/Drought-chart-Mercury-news.jpg |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:44 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class The Science is settled, bigot! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550709) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:25 PM Author: ate his hummus JFC libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552391) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:51 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class I forgot to copy this part but the author mentioned growing up in the Palisades and his family owned a ranch in Malibu too. LOL. JUST FUCKING LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550721) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:52 PM Author: biglaw lives matter (retired) this is true. cities are spontaneously combusting bc of global warming we just lost st louis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550723) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:53 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550725) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:05 AM Author: spritexero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48551236) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:02 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552125) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: ,,.,......., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552178) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 9:54 PM Author: the cleansing fIame These “people” are all irrelevant marginalized cattle now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550730) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:48 PM Author: carcosa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48551216) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 10:28 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, btw, no one has mentioned it, but the author of the article is Ronald Reagan's shitlib daughter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48550865) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:17 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class This now explains "my family had a ranch in Malibu" way to bury the lede (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48551132) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:23 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Ronald Reagan's family owned a ranch in the Santa Monica Mountains that was much closer to their home in Bel Air, Los Angeles. The Reagans sold that ranch to a movie company and it is now part of Malibu Creek State Park.[2][3] The Reagans then bought the Rancho del Cielo from the Corneliuses for about $527,000 in 1974 (equal to approximately $3,256,000 today[1]) when his second term as governor of California was nearing an end. The estate contains a pond called Lake Lucky, stables and a barn for horses, and a 1,500 ft² (139 m²) house furnished with 1970s-style furniture. The ranch is located in a remote area on the crest of the Santa Ynez Mountains overlooking the Gaviota Coast. The nearest highway on the ocean side of the mountains is U.S. Route 101, with Solvang, California being the nearest community on the inland side of the mountains.[citation needed]
Reagan spent vacations during his presidency at the ranch, which became known as the Western White House.[4] He signed the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 at the ranch and at various times hosted British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth II and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.[5] Due to its connection to Reagan, Rancho del Cielo has also been called the "Reagan Ranch".[6] After leaving the presidency in 1989, the Reagans moved to a home in Bel Air, but kept the ranch as a retreat.[citation needed]
Because of his Alzheimer's disease, Reagan last visited the ranch in 1995. Nancy last visited in 1998, before selling the property to the Young America's Foundation, a conservative group which preserves it today as "a living monument to Reagan's ideas, values, and lasting accomplishments."[5] Although the ranch is closed to the public, the foundation offers students and supporters the opportunity to visit the property.[7][5] |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:36 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class I just thought it was cosmically out of touch for Patti Davis to say that she grew up visiting a ranch in Malibu on the weekends as if it's totally normal for your dad to be governor and later President. Born into tremendous privilege and like a typical Boomer threw her parents legacy under the bus and became a woefully out of touch shitlib. Of course people like her have never worked a day in their life but can wax poetic in the NYT about the Earth's 'need to heal'. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48551184) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:45 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cr.
she is nothing without her claim to being Reagan's daughter. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: White Privilege Log running through tall green grasses at our ranch beneath skies that were clear and blue tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552171) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class Pretty damn sure that the grass is still green and the sky is still blue. Clarity depends on if there are clouds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552177) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cr.
the author is the star of every story, in her mind anyway. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:27 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class She even changed her name from Reagan to not be associated with him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552200) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cr.
.... even as she enormously benefited from that fact, which was the only asset she's ever had.
Ron Jr. publicly shat on his own dad. they're both vipers. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class No one has even ever heard of them though outside of high society liberal circles. They have zero standing in the GOP and most people have no idea who they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552216) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: Anti-H1B Chatblog Elects Turdskin Best Poaster (gunneratttt) if this is the case, then that makes california's lack of preparation and mitigation even worse.
"we've known for years that climate change was going to cause stuff like this!"
"if you knew that the risk was increasing, why didn't you invest in more wildfire mitigation measures?"
"..." |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:30 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class One of the reader comments said this. Somebody said how is this red state's fault? You're at the vanguard of climate alarmism. Shouldn't you have governed yourselves accordingly?
If climate change is here and we're all going to die, California should be the most prepared. Instead they're obviously the least. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:35 AM Author: frog and toad Guessing that comment will be deleted soon if it isn’t already (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552222) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class It was couched in much softer language than what I used to paraphrase it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552224) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:34 AM Author: '"'''"'''"""" “no idea what Earth used to be like. The beauty I grew up around …”
Now do immigration, libs |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:35 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class Yeah this bitch grew up in extreme luxury in the 70s lmao
My dad's Malibu ranch. The clear blue skies. The green grass. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:40 AM Author: '"'''"'''"""" And her daddy amnestied millions of illegal Mexicans , beginning our border crisis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552234) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class That was the only portion of his legacy his kids still endorse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552251) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: frog and toad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552262) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:14 PM Author: 2 Evans McMuffin This is the 4th time Sean Penn has had a Malibu residence threatened by fire, He’s had one mansion and one trailer previously burn completely down.
https://x.com/hotshot_movie/status/1840398144388960736?s=46 |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:25 PM Author: David Poaster Wallace This reminds me of Job 38. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552395) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: Lower Lower Middle Middle Class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663567&forum_id=2...id.#48552406) |