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XO gun nuts: great video of what good practice looks like
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:29 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant this is obviously longer / higher round count than many of you will be able to do regularly, but this should provide a good idea of what skill development to and at a high level looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_nlIZLyFw
works with carbine too
Billy Barton -- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k5h3b-1C8OA -- does 250 round days all the time and is obviously a wizard
getting good isn't hard, dryfire daily for 15 minutes, 250 round range day every week if you can, every month at minimum, and you can get very good in a relatively short period of time
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:44 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Tanning Salon French Chef My biggest gripe with gunnuttery is that it’s so inconvenient to get out to the range. I’m still too exurban to have a backyard range like I did growing up in the country. But the closest indoor range is a solid 45 minute drive. The closest outdoor range that has rifle-distance targets and isn’t run by FUDs is 1.5 hours and is a membership club. So I get to the indoor range like once every few months and the outdoor range with a buddy who is a member like once or twice a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879693) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 6:49 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant :(
that really sucks. surprised you don't have any closer.
shitty situation, but you can at least dryfire. your recoil control and splits won't get better from that, but your draw and transition times can get great. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:11 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Tanning Salon French Chef There was one about 10 mins away that succumbed to an aging owner, Covid closures, and skyrocketing land value that led ‘ole man Henry to sell the business to a townhouse developer and decamp to Arizona for retirement.
Since then I’ve been coasting on a lifetime of practice at a perishable skill. The last time I went to the range I found myself having to slow down and think about formerly reflexive actions like the safety on my 2011. Which is a shitty place to be in with a gun I carry somewhat regularly.
Someone looked into starting up a new business here but I think it fell apart over insurance |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:27 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant all of that is retainable with relatively small amounts of dryfire practice. My bill drill from concealment went from like a 2.8 to a 1.8-1.7 at 7y with 3 months of dryfire where I went to the range twice. the gun handling skills like draw, safety manipulation, fast presentation, sight acquisition, etc. are especially easy to improve this way -- do 100 draws where you consciously focus on doing everything perfectly, and then do 10 drill with an easy par time and 10 with a challenging one. you'll be astonished how much you improve over 30 minutes.
go to the range once a month as able, do a relatively high round count session where you really focus on grip, recoil control, vision (target focus), and long strings of fire (or several strings of doubles). as long as you're keeping the grip improvements during your dryfire, you'll keep getting better. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:00 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Tanning Salon French Chef Brother I have not once in the thirty some years I’ve shot firearms practiced dry fire. I need to get over my, “yea, I’ll get to the range next week” syndrome and get after it I guess.
The upside is that I don’t much care about getting better. I’ll never spend a weekend at a USPCA or three gun match. Just managing the erosion. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:24 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant you absolutely have to start if you want to stop the erosion. If you make it a regimented part of your day, it's super easy to find 15-20 minutes.
-- dryfire targets here: https://benstoegerproshop.com/dry-fire-targets-in-reduced-scale-uspsa-style/ -- you can get a shot timer app on your phone, or get one on amazon. phone works for dryfire but isn't great for actual shooting. -- manual/curriculum from a top 5 shooter in the world here: https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Shooting-Training-Benjamin-Stoeger/dp/B08T43T7KM -- lots of great training advice at these links: https://www.youtube.com/@SpecTrain https://www.youtube.com/@pistolwizardATX
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start with just working draw, then once that's progressing, transitions.
you may not care about improvement, but it'll come regardless. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 10:10 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Tanning Salon French Chef Ty, ty. Given that I carry daily, you’re right, I really should keep on the fundamentals of the draw and presentation better than I have been. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880623) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2024 8:34 AM Author: Glittery native legal warrant 180, lmk how it goes brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47881552) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:41 PM Author: Brindle Galvanic Point yeah, i pay $65/yr for membership to a 'conservation club' that's really a pistol and rifle range out in the sticks. it's not the drive that bothers me, it's when i encounter some of the old hicks there reminding me 'we have ruuuuullllleeessss heeeer' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879930) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:43 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant cr
tell them that the rules are to keep things safe, and as long as your rounds are on target, they shouldn't care how fast you fire because you're being safe |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:49 PM Author: Irradiated double fault market You need to remember that 90% of gun owners are retards and bad at shooting, incapable of safely doing rapid fire/quickdraw/etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879958) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:05 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant agreed, but this is fixable within a matter of weeks, or days with a few hours of practice. That's why I constantly preach training / getting good -- it really is so much easier than anyone thinks, it just takes a modicum of effort.
Even most who compete don't train efficiently |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:02 PM Author: frozen wine site Need motivation to go to the range and practice. Life too busy. I feel like I'm letting you down, champ. I should be a lot further ahead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879766) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:20 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant it's easy to fit in 15-20 minutes of dryfire daily. Spend half of that on your draw from concealment, alternate spending the rest on transitions, and trigger control at speed -- see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=342zb7az2JA. make sure you are using the same grip pressures you would use shooting a fast string so you don't practice bad recoil control.
use a shot timer, get some scaled down targets -- https://benstoegerproshop.com/dry-fire-targets-in-reduced-scale-uspsa-style/ -- and set up a dryfire area in your garage or another unused room.
super easy way to fit it in, it adds up, and you build a lot of skill fast this way.
Then go to the range to work on strings of fire and recoil control, which you can't simulate at home. Most of your issues will be grip-related for awhile (and maybe forever -- in the video I linked in the OP, a very good GM diagnoses most of the errors he's making as grip-centric)
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as far as motivation, if you couldn't wax 3 niggers trying to mug you from concealment, when they all get to draw first, you gotta keep working. Blake drill is great for transitions. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:23 PM Author: frozen wine site Thank you sir will try harder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879857) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:27 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant please to do the needful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879878) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:44 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant another addition to the trigger control at speed video is this one where Billy Barton demos how to train for .15 splits between shots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhG6ZaUEDTo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879948) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:16 PM Author: frozen wine site Bookmarked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880077) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:49 PM Author: stubborn partner I pocket carry. Is there any realistic way to draw quickly from pocket carry? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879957) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:53 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant not that I know of, but I can't really tell you definitively without trying some stuff in practice
If you can push the holster off the gun with your thumb, you could just fire from pocket at close ranges, which is faster than any draw I've ever seen. You'd just have to practice doing it and not missing lol.
I'm certain there's a viable way to do it, you'd just have to maybe play with different holsters and see what works best. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:57 PM Author: stubborn partner ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879995) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:02 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Tanning Salon French Chef If you have a pocket sized pistol, have you tried moving it to inside the waistband in a little Desantis or similar holster? For my summer carry .380 I find that works even better than a pocket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880024) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 9:02 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880281) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:53 PM Author: Lilac Big Meetinghouse if you're going to open carry a race gun I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47879971) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 7:58 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant lmao this has to be more bait, you can't possibly be this retarded, but for any other readers:
-- Hunter is a GM in carry optics, meaning he's very good in a division where you specifically aren't able to use race guns, and in fact what he's using in the video is an M&P 2.0 lol -- he competes from concealment all the time, it's one of his schticks because he sells a concealed carry belt -- you can get very good from concealment -- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k5h3b-1C8OA -- and you can obviously practice drawing from concealment; once the gun is out, it's all the same.
I know I bite on your bait most of the time but you can't be this on the nose with it |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:00 PM Author: Lilac Big Meetinghouse dood, that is clearly a competition gun with an optic, an extended mag, and almost certainly an upgraded trigger, wtf do you think a race gun is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880015) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:24 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant odd how you didn't respond to anything else -- an optic doesn't make it a race gun, and many people carry with optics. regardless, here's a guy shooting production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNj_QFV-bk -- nothing changes about the practice required to get good! -- in the division where he primarily competes, there's a mag capacity limitation and he's using extended mags for practice so he doesn't have to reload as much -- an upgraded trigger isn't an impediment to carrying, but I'm pretty sure he's running it stock -- he talks on instagram about how grip ergos and their trigger are why he runs M&P; that's still not an impediment to getting good, here's Brantley Merriam running a stock Glock 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_dNeCSfks
race gun means open division to most people. this is a race gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6DDdngJSw or https://www.usa.bularmory.com/product-page/bulletsteros or https://ptrinity.com/product/the-honcho-pt/ or https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa-ds9-open-pistol/ or https://atlasgunworks.com/product-details?id=90829701
I think things are pretty clear for any non-retards, I don't feel the need to keep replying to you. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:11 PM Author: Motley institution shitlib Cr advice.
In a similar vein, here's a good video on how you should be training every time you get on your bicycle:
https://m.youtube.com/live/9ddBmsJzQzk?t=1485s
Also, here's a good video on how you should train every time you go out for a run:
https://youtu.be/Zq-JBC3wWbw?si=FFNiL_NlyD3r19Xh |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:29 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant missing the point -- doing drills to refine specific skills and diagnosing errors is how you improve, and many shooters don't get what that looks like.
shooting doubles is how you get better at fixing grip errors, you don't have to be shooting .18 splits in order to benefit.
or you could "slow down and get your hits" and be a C class shooter (or worse) forever, doesn't matter much to me, but a 3 second draw probably isn't gonna save your life against a mugger |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:26 PM Author: Twinkling Comical Digit Ratio I've done USPSA a few times. It's a good time but gets pricey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880104) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 8:30 PM Author: Glittery native legal warrant more than fair, but no reason not to still dryfire and use your range days -- whatever the round count -- for skill development (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880123) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2024 9:17 PM Author: cocky razzle-dazzle sweet tailpipe crotch Hegemon has no combat experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5561908&forum_id=2...id.#47880357) |