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Pay for Lawyers is So High People Are Comparing It to the N.B.A. (NYT)

Pay for Lawyers is So High People Are Comparing It to the N....
Mainlining the $ecret truth of the univer$e
  07/02/24
Gee, what could possibly go wrong ….
Drunkard
  07/02/24
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cannon
  07/02/24
Oh come on
Gay Grandpa
  07/02/24
SHOWWWW MEEE THE MONEYYYY
allistair
  07/02/24
Makes sense, they are true visionaries and risk takers
Concerned Chad Here,
  07/02/24
1) that photo is disturbing 2) how come no discussion of ...
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  07/02/24
cause "journalism" is dumb. even decades ago there...
AZNgirl realizing China Handsome
  07/02/24
PI lawyers are like the WNBA of this analogy. Most of them ...
"""'""""''
  07/02/24
all legal SCHOLARSHIP is fraud, u think "private equity...
AZNgirl realizing China Handsome
  07/02/24
not really. BIGLAW litigators are the champagne of law.
"""'""""''
  07/02/24
Some life you got there, stinky pussy
correction
  07/02/24
Lol PI attorneys make bank compared to corporate lawyers. I ...
No Paye No Gain
  07/02/24
1. The most well compensated litigators make multiples of ...
Drunkard
  07/02/24
Mortimer "Mort" Goldstein III, the Lebron James of...
AZNgirl realizing China Handsome
  07/02/24
rate this gorgeous sexxy ladddy lolyer mentioned, u think sh...
AZNgirl realizing China Handsome
  07/02/24
This is Hawk Tuah girls’ sister. Of course she throws ...
quoth_the_raven
  07/02/24
SMU law lol
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
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8.5 i rate her as making senior associate money
party at the party playin wit his nose now
  07/02/24
she's very pretty. and i don't know anything about her pers...
Kenneth Play
  07/02/24
an of counsel at my former biglaw firm (v65ish) is fucking a...
party at the party playin wit his nose now
  07/02/24
Does she have a high sex drive? Is she hot?
Lionel Tiger
  07/02/24
yes and yes. i can't believe she made service partner, from...
Kenneth Play
  07/02/24
link to profile?
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.
  07/02/24
just wait until we start 'stapling green cards' to 10M turds...
allistair
  07/02/24
there are literally 50m Lawyer Pajeets in India who easily c...
AZNgirl realizing China Handsome
  07/02/24
Legal Leopards of Bharat
So we looked at the data
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That reminds me I have to send out June bills One will be...
ceci n'est pas un avocat
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So we looked at the data
  07/02/24
The majesty of the law!
and when i started to squeeze the bar brother
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CriminalConversation
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Depressing thread
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The flip side of this is that service partners / ofs counsel...
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ITE and all those associate firings and attempts to run lean...
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Rare breed securities intermediary worker
Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire
  07/02/24
Guy unaware that an account with DTCC takes like 2000 pages ...
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This isn't responsive to my post, which had nothing to do wi...
Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire
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The market for GCs is even more out of whack and bizarre imo...
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Sure a GC is a cost center, but if you're a big enough compa...
Kenneth Play
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The fact that relatively well known household name brand com...
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totally agreed. it's tough to price when a lot of legal pro...
Kenneth Play
  07/02/24
He is the CEO's best friend is why. GC jobs just go to the C...
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Imagine paying a buddy $27M a year to play golf with you.
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well and also, he reads contracts and does boring shit, so y...
Kenneth Play
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It would be one thing if the 27M was from some stock grant w...
Ass Sunstein
  07/03/24
Funny thing is that the only reason biglawyers make so much ...
but at what cost
  07/02/24
lol how stupid are u? do u not realize its CYA to hire the b...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
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Ironically, it's exactly this mentality that I'm talking abo...
but at what cost
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it is CYA. u sound naive and dont have a clue how the world ...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
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The defensive tone of this reply made me lol
Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire
  07/02/24
it has nothing to do with that. its the overpaid gc lobbing ...
Cogsworth
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yes, it's also cronyism/corruption. the point is that no GC ...
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Lol those firms don't exist in any appreciable number to ...
Just asking questions
  07/02/24
Now imagine SCOTUS overturns Chevron
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And you have to go to federal court every time there's a dis...
So we looked at the data
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Cr American lawyers make a lot because the govt is basically...
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not even remotely true for the vast majority of legal work. ...
but at what cost
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Cool story hoss but biglaw has about 150000 of the country's...
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I get it that for certain transactions you need big law, but...
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ESPN has started dedicating 5 mins of Sports Center to Bigla...
Judas Jones
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Mel Kiper Jr discussing the top 5 m&a lateral partners
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potluck
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The difference is NBA players WANT to play in the NBA for 15...
"''"'"'""'""
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There are plenty that enjoy it
Lionel Tiger
  07/02/24
Idk about enjoy but there’s definitely plenty that are...
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Oh, the horror of being on $100bn deals and flying private.
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So we looked at the data
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ceci n'est pas un avocat
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PR stories aside, is any firm actually paying anyone $20 mil...
Gregor
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It's kind of ironic that these guys are bringing in $100 mm ...
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Maybe clients are paying for their leadership abilities?
When I grow up I want to be a pumo
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(Solo)
Doctor Penis
  07/02/24
Guy who doesn't understand that you use these people to cove...
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tbf thats what lebron james is currently doing
Cogsworth
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Ass Sunstein
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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:03 AM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret truth of the univer$e (We finally beat Medicare)

Pay for Lawyers is So High People Are Comparing It to the N.B.A. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/business/law-firm-pay-salary.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

July 1, 2024

Hotshot Wall Street lawyers are now so in demand that bidding wars between firms for their services can resemble the frenzy among teams to sign star athletes.

Eight-figure pay packages — rare a decade ago — are increasingly common for corporate lawyers at the top of their game, and many of these new heavy hitters have one thing in common: private equity.

In recent years, highly profitable private equity giants like Apollo, Blackstone and KKR have moved beyond company buyouts into real estate, private lending, insurance and other businesses, amassing trillions of dollars in assets. As their demand for legal services has skyrocketed, they have become big revenue drivers for law firms.

This is pushing up lawyers’ pay across the industry, including at some of Wall Street’s most prestigious firms, such as Kirkland & Ellis; Simpson Thacher & Bartlett; Davis Polk; Latham & Watkins; and Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. Lawyers with close ties to private equity increasingly enjoy pay and prestige similar to those of star lawyers who represent America’s blue-chip companies and advise them on high-profile mergers, takeover battles and litigation.

Numerous people compared it to a star-centric system like the N.B.A., but others worried that higher and higher pay had gotten out of hand and could strain the law firms forced to stretch their budgets to keep talent from leaving.

“Twenty million dollars is the new $10 million,” said Sabina Lippman, a partner and co-founder of the legal recruiter Lippman Jungers. In the past few years, at least 10 law firms have spent — or acknowledged to Ms. Lippman that they need to spend — around $20 million a year or more to lure the highest-profile lawyers.

One hiring partner at a law firm said $20 million pay packages were usually reserved for those who could bring in more than $100 million in annual revenue for a firm.

Last year, six partners at Kirkland, including some who were recruited during the year, each made at least $25 million, according to people with knowledge of the arrangements who weren’t authorized to discuss pay publicly. Several others in its London office made around $20 million.

One partner at a law firm said pay for top lawyers had roughly tripled in the past five years.

The take-home pay of some top lawyers is now approaching that of big bank chiefs. Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, the nation’s largest bank, made roughly $36 million last year. David Solomon of Goldman Sachs earned about $31 million over the same period.

At the center of the action is Kirkland, a 115-year-old law firm founded in Chicago that made an early play for private equity clients when few rivals saw them as big moneymakers. About a decade ago, Kirkland began poaching heavy hitters at rival law firms — many based in New York — who had longstanding relationships with the biggest private equity players.

That inspired fierce competition among top law firms, including Simpson, Latham, Davis Polk and Paul, Weiss. Some have changed their compensation structures or stretched their budgets to keep stars from leaving. Others have countered by raiding Kirkland to build their own private equity businesses.

“Firms do not feel like they can only think about being defensive with respect to their talent,” said Scott Yaccarino, co-founder of the legal recruiting firm Empire Search Partners. “They have to be on the offense, too.”

Lawyers have earned multimillion-dollar pay packages for more than a decade. When Scott A. Barshay, one of the industry’s pre-eminent mergers-and-acquisitions lawyers, left Cravath, Swaine & Moore to join Paul, Weiss in 2016, his pay package of $9.5 million created a stir in the industry. (Mr. Barshay’s compensation has risen significantly since then, two people with knowledge of the contract said.)

But the recent jump in pay has happened at a dizzying pace and for many more lawyers. Coupled with the fierce poaching, it is swiftly reshaping the economics of major law firms. Kirkland has even guaranteed some hires fixed shares in the partnership for several years, according to several people with knowledge of the contracts. In some instances, it has extended forgivable loans as sweeteners.

Last year, Kirkland hired away Alvaro Membrillera, a noted private equity lawyer in London who counts KKR as a key client, from Paul, Weiss for around $14 million and a multiyear guarantee, according to two people with knowledge of the contract.

White & Case recently hired O. Keith Hallam III, a partner from Cravath with private equity clients, for roughly $14 million a year, according to a person with knowledge of the contract. The firm also hired Taurie M. Zeitzer, a private equity lawyer at Paul, Weiss, for around the same amount, another person with knowledge of the contract

To some, the changing landscape represents a more meritocratic system in which partners can expect pay based on talent rather than seniority. Cravath, a storied, 205-year-old firm, long followed the so-called lock-step system linked to seniority, but modified it in 2021. Debevoise & Plimpton is one of the few remaining firms that continue to follow the lock-step model.

“Law firms have gotten a lot more commercial in how they run themselves,” said Neil Barr, the chair and managing partner of Davis Polk. “Firms are operating like businesses rather than old-school partnerships, and it’s led to more rational business behavior.”

Kirkland’s early bet on private equity has paid off handsomely. Globally, private equity firms managed $8.7 trillion in assets in 2023 — more than five times what they oversaw at the onset of the financial crisis in 2007, according to the data provider Preqin. Blackstone alone manages more than $1 trillion in assets, and other firms, including Apollo, Ares, KKR and Brookfield, collectively oversee trillions more.

As the private equity business took off, Kirkland’s clients began directing hundreds of millions of dollars in business its way each year. In 2023, Kirkland made more than $7 billion in gross revenue, according to The American Lawyer’s annual ranking, making it the highest-grossing law firm in the world.

A single firm like Blackstone or KKR can generate legal work from the constellation of companies, banks and others in its universe. For instance, even though Blackstone’s main law firm is Simpson, it paid Kirkland — one of its secondary law firms — $41.6 million in 2023, according to a regulatory filing.

“The private equity clients of these firms — they mint money,” said Mark Rosen, the chief executive and chairman of the legal recruiting firm Mark Bruce International.

Simpson, an illustrious Wall Street firm with roots in the Gilded Age and one of the largest private equity practices, has been a particular target of poaching by Kirkland. One person with knowledge of the rivalry called the firm Kirkland’s “farm team.” Kate Slaasted, a spokeswoman for Kirkland, said in an email: “As a firm, we have the highest regard for Simpson Thacher.”

At least seven top partners from Simpson, including Andrew Calder and Peter Martelli, have jumped to Kirkland in the past decade. Kirkland also poached Jennifer S. Perkins, a star lawyer from Latham who has represented KKR on some of its deals, to join its private equity practice.

Mr. Calder and Jon A. Ballis, the chairman of Kirkland, were among the partners who made at least $25 million last year, according to three people with knowledge of the compensation details. Mr. Calder and Melissa D. Kalka, also a partner at Kirkland, work closely with Global Infrastructure Partners, the private equity firm that recently announced a deal to sell itself to BlackRock for $12.5 billion.

In 2023, Paul, Weiss — which counts Apollo Global Management among its top clients and is aggressively building its private equity business — poached several Kirkland lawyers to build out its London office. The firm also hired Eric J. Wedel, whose clients include Bain Capital, KKR and Warburg Pincus, away from Kirkland, and Jim Langston, another private equity-focused lawyer, from Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton.

Simpson has altered its pay structure in the past year so that it can be more competitive with Kirkland and other rivals. “We intentionally made the decision to adjust our compensation structure to attract and retain the best talent in strategically important practices across our global platform,” Alden Millard, chair of Simpson’s executive committee, wrote in an email.

One sign of the frenzied nature of hiring: the use of multiyear compensation guarantees to attract lawyers. These fell out of favor after Dewey & LeBoeuf filed for bankruptcy in 2012, unable to meet millions of dollars in fixed payments and bonuses it had promised partners. Now, a different type of guaranteed payment has become popular.

Some firms are awarding new hires a number of shares in the partnership for a set period, typically in the range of two to five years. Such offers are attractive because they ensure a specific share of a firm’s profits irrespective of its annual performance.

This frenzy has meant that even lawyers without private equity connections have seen their pay rise. Freshfields — a big British firm that is building a beachhead in the United States — has recruited lawyers in the range of $10 million to $15 million, and provided additional pay guarantees to some, according to three people with direct knowledge of the compensation details.

“Law firms want people who are going to be motivated based on culture,” said Ms. Lippman, the recruiter. “But at some point if you have this big difference between firms, everyone has a price.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800705)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:19 AM
Author: Drunkard

Gee, what could possibly go wrong ….

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800737)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:13 AM
Author: cannon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800893)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:27 AM
Author: Gay Grandpa

Oh come on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800708)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:46 AM
Author: allistair

SHOWWWW MEEE THE MONEYYYY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800709)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:47 AM
Author: Concerned Chad Here,

Makes sense, they are true visionaries and risk takers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800710)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:51 AM
Author: """'""""''

1) that photo is disturbing

2) how come no discussion of litigators???? hmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800712)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:52 AM
Author: AZNgirl realizing China Handsome

cause "journalism" is dumb. even decades ago there were PI lolyers making 100m a year + and flying private jets, u wld think they shld at least mention that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800716)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:53 AM
Author: """'""""''

PI lawyers are like the WNBA of this analogy. Most of them are shit but every now there's a Caitlyn Clark who makes bank. Still not respect though, just like PI lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800718)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:55 AM
Author: AZNgirl realizing China Handsome

all legal SCHOLARSHIP is fraud, u think "private equity" doing legal work for a bunch of filthy kikes gaming the system to maek inflated profits is more GORGEOUS than suing a bunch of insurers cause a nigga hurt his back in a fake car accident?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800721)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:55 AM
Author: """'""""''

not really. BIGLAW litigators are the champagne of law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800724)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:40 AM
Author: correction

Some life you got there, stinky pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800842)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:57 PM
Author: No Paye No Gain

Lol PI attorneys make bank compared to corporate lawyers. I make more than any corporate lawyers from my class and I make 1/10th what cslg makes.

The differences are staggering the higher you go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802191)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:18 AM
Author: Drunkard

1. The most well compensated litigators make multiples of what the corporate lawyers listed make, but they are plaintiff side and its non-recurring revenue, absent the big mills and maybe Quinn/Susman type places.

2. High profile defense side litigators don’t move around as much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800736)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:51 AM
Author: AZNgirl realizing China Handsome

Mortimer "Mort" Goldstein III, the Lebron James of private equity lolyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800714)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:54 AM
Author: AZNgirl realizing China Handsome

rate this gorgeous sexxy ladddy lolyer mentioned, u think she swallows

https://www.kirkland.com/lawyers/k/kalka-melissa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800719)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:48 AM
Author: quoth_the_raven

This is Hawk Tuah girls’ sister. Of course she throws down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800797)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:34 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


SMU law lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800836)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:19 AM
Author: party at the party playin wit his nose now

8.5

i rate her as making senior associate money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801003)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: Kenneth Play ( )

she's very pretty. and i don't know anything about her personal morals. but as i've posted before, i know a v50 blonde knockout partner who's slept with associates, partners, clients, whoever she wants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801382)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: party at the party playin wit his nose now

an of counsel at my former biglaw firm (v65ish) is fucking a partner in the L&E group, he apparently is telling her he's gonna leave his wife but he doesn't suggest (to me anyway) that he actually is.

this won't end well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801815)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: Lionel Tiger

Does she have a high sex drive? Is she hot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801823)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:26 PM
Author: Kenneth Play ( )

yes and yes. i can't believe she made service partner, from an intellectual horsepower pov. but, she's high energy, can golf (in a short skirt), a woman, and male clients love to work with her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47803165)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:56 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,.


link to profile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47803236)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:25 AM
Author: allistair

just wait until we start 'stapling green cards' to 10M turdskin/gook 'diplomas'. everyone will be out of a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800739)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:12 AM
Author: AZNgirl realizing China Handsome

there are literally 50m Lawyer Pajeets in India who easily cld destroy the entire legal industry within 12 months, its only because of these bullshit protectionist regulations incl bar licenses that it hasnt happened. And then there is Chink AI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800755)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: So we looked at the data

Legal Leopards of Bharat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800992)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:31 AM
Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat

That reminds me I have to send out June bills

One will be for about $80. Every bit helps!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800787)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: So we looked at the data



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800994)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:41 PM
Author: and when i started to squeeze the bar brother

The majesty of the law!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801840)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:43 PM
Author: CriminalConversation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802119)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:14 AM
Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,.......


Depressing thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800811)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:17 AM
Author: NPC ThingDoer Poontang



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800999)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:34 PM
Author: "''"'"'""'""



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:36 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


The flip side of this is that service partners / ofs counsel are going to get far less of the pie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800838)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:43 AM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

ITE and all those associate firings and attempts to run lean gutted the talent pool so now there is a legit shortage of guys at the 20 mark who know wtf they are doing. Even in my not so sexy area of broker dealer work -- it wasn't sexy 20 years ago and there were very few people getting into this area so now the pool of senior talent who knows how to run a broker dealer or do any kind of securities intermediary work is maybe 500 deep in the whole country and you have to pay them $500-600k for the pleasure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800846)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:05 AM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire (Safari)

Rare breed securities intermediary worker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47800877)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:10 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Guy unaware that an account with DTCC takes like 2000 pages of paperwork to even open. Yeah, it's literally maybe a couple hundred people in the country who do this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801962)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire (Safari)

This isn't responsive to my post, which had nothing to do with the truth vel non of your earlier comment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804907)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:50 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


The market for GCs is even more out of whack and bizarre imo. Like at least these PE M&A partners have to have their comp tie back to some amount of billing receivables that justifies their comp. Why the fuck is the GC of Zoom making $27M and lol at being on this “bottom 10” list: https://laterallink.com/general-counsel-compensation-in-fortune-500-companies-an-overview/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801098)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:51 AM
Author: Kenneth Play ( )

Sure a GC is a cost center, but if you're a big enough company, it's a position that can have a significant impact. Gotta arm yourself with metrics to justify your value though definitely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801345)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


The fact that relatively well known household name brand companies pay their GCs 2% of what other household name brand companies pay theirs suggests that these companies have no clue how to value the services of a GC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801821)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: Kenneth Play ( )

totally agreed. it's tough to price when a lot of legal problems won't show up for years or whatever if you do things the dumb way today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47803170)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:14 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

He is the CEO's best friend is why. GC jobs just go to the CEO's lawyer golfing buddy. Those jobs have nothing to do with resumes/experience past a minimum competency point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801983)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:33 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Imagine paying a buddy $27M a year to play golf with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802658)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:11 AM
Author: Kenneth Play ( )

well and also, he reads contracts and does boring shit, so you don't have to. and it's convenient to get updates from him on stuff while you're golfing together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804867)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:09 AM
Author: Ass Sunstein

It would be one thing if the 27M was from some stock grant when they joined and then the stock went up 100x or something, but Zoom stock is LJL, crashed big time. Same with Twilio.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804862)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:51 AM
Author: but at what cost

Funny thing is that the only reason biglawyers make so much is because in house people are too stupid, lazy, or both to find other firms that could do the same work for the same result at half or less the price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801108)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:53 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


lol how stupid are u? do u not realize its CYA to hire the best firm? are u some maf shitlawyer or some naive 1L?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801114)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: but at what cost

Ironically, it's exactly this mentality that I'm talking about. Some BU law grad with a huge inferiority complex thinks it's "CYA" to hire some rapacious Jew who went to HLS because of Vault rankings, the lack of any real network, and pure laziness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801128)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


it is CYA. u sound naive and dont have a clue how the world works.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801143)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:20 AM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire (Safari)

The defensive tone of this reply made me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801492)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:23 AM
Author: Cogsworth

it has nothing to do with that. its the overpaid gc lobbing business to his friends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801502)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


yes, it's also cronyism/corruption. the point is that no GC is hiring biglaw bc they're too stupid to hire the perfect midlaw firm for 1/5th of the price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801522)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Just asking questions

Lol

those firms don't exist in any appreciable number to move that pay.

why would a firm of constantly-on-the-clock smart striver lawyers who work in a stressful profession agree to do work for major and profitable companies for so much less?

fact is that the companies need the lawyers. not the other way around. there is too much work out there for it to be otherwise.

if america were different, if our legal system were different, and there was so much less demand, lawyers just wouldn't be lawyers. it wouldn't be worth it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801144)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:04 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Now imagine SCOTUS overturns Chevron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801151)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: So we looked at the data

And you have to go to federal court every time there's a dispute about a regulation? Yeah that will definitely lead to less litigation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802129)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,.......


Cr American lawyers make a lot because the govt is basically outsourced to individual actors. Also it’s legal to totally fuck people over. This creates a high demand for legal services

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801786)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:10 PM
Author: but at what cost

not even remotely true for the vast majority of legal work. biglaw is only REQUIRED for maybe 5-10% of the cases that biglaw firms actually handle. the rest could (and should) be farmed out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47803740)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:59 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Cool story hoss but biglaw has about 150000 of the country's million lawyers working in it if your biglaw definition is the 500 largest firms. In house is another 130000 bodies. Of the million lawyers in the US half don't practice at all because their degrees are toilet paper or they are mommies. Biglaw and inhouse is actually just over half the profession just by body count. Shitlaw is almost a part time job by comparison.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804085)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:44 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


I get it that for certain transactions you need big law, but for the most part mid-law is like 10x the deal.

You can get an ex-big law partner to give you actual advice and just bill you for half an hour instead of big law putting 10 junior attorneys to write up some stupid ass memo for $13,000.

If you actually get work product from a mid-law firm, the partner will often do it themselves or with a mid-level associate. So The bill is like 1/3 of the big law bill - plus the partner actually read the thing.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804045)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:07 AM
Author: cryptoPIGlet tp

Make no mistake, if there is one place alpha millionaires are collected, it’s THE LAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801433)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:10 PM
Author: '''''"""'"'''



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801965)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:29 PM
Author: ChadGPT-5

could never quite put my finger why fantasy football was so popular among lawyers, turns out that larping about your fantasy career is also titrating your pay structure, if one were to elucidate on this a lot of wild conclusions may be arrived at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801794)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:31 PM
Author: Judas Jones

ESPN has started dedicating 5 mins of Sports Center to Biglaw laterals, trades, re-signings, and the free agency market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801801)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:33 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


Mel Kiper Jr discussing the top 5 m&a lateral partners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801809)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: potluck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804087)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:37 PM
Author: "''"'"'""'""

The difference is NBA players WANT to play in the NBA for 15+ years if their bodies will let them. But does anyone really WANT to still do BIGLAW after 2 years of a $14 million salary? There’s probably only like 5 of those people on earth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801825)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:42 PM
Author: Lionel Tiger

There are plenty that enjoy it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47801847)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,.......


Idk about enjoy but there’s definitely plenty that are addicted to it. It’s a great career for workaholics who like high pressure situations. It’s a tragedy that people get caught up with wasting their lives this way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802010)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 6:37 AM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Oh, the horror of being on $100bn deals and flying private.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804660)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: dan marino outfit in ace ventura

lol at the article making this link but neglecting to discuss other obvious parallels such as lawyers’ staggering sexual market value and the buckwild casual violence perpetrated by their posses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802014)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: So we looked at the data



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47802134)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: potluck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804089)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804786)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:07 PM
Author: Gregor

PR stories aside, is any firm actually paying anyone $20 mil? Has that been confirmed? Maybe a couple firms each have one guy they are paying that? One has to wonder when firms are just announcing "YES WE ARE RAISING PARTNER PAY PACKAGES TO $20 MILLION TOO!" does this have any teeth or meaning. Most of the big firms have institutional clients who I suspect cannot really just up and leave to go have all the work done at some other firm in order to chase one partner due to conflicts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47803253)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:39 PM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,


It's kind of ironic that these guys are bringing in $100 mm + or whatever in business.

Let's pretend that these guys bill at $3,000 hour and bill 2,000 hours a year (which they almost certainly don't do with all their other duties). That's $6 million.

So people are sending matters to these "experts" even though at least 95+ percent (and probably 98+%) of the work is being done by someone else.

To keep with the NBA analogy, its like you hire Lebron James to play on your team and then he actually puts a G-Leaguers in for your gametime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804037)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:40 PM
Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo

Maybe clients are paying for their leadership abilities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804040)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: Doctor Penis

(Solo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804067)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:01 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Guy who doesn't understand that you use these people to cover your ass from shareholder actions and it's the same reason all the work goes to only 4 accounting firms. So long as the economy is healthy these fuckers can charge almost whatever they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804092)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 1:13 AM
Author: Cogsworth

tbf thats what lebron james is currently doing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804512)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:11 AM
Author: Ass Sunstein



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804868)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret truth of the univer$e (We finally beat Medicare)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804348)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:05 AM
Author: Dickey Simpkins

Would love to see a sitcom where NBA stars are partying at some trendy club and hitting on hotties and end up interacting with some 50 year old star private equity lawyers trying to chase youthful partying they never had.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2...id.#47804853)