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US Was a Leader on Climate Issues. Under Trump, Things Changed.

New York Was a Leader on Climate Issues. Under Hochul, Thing...
UN peacekeeper
  12/11/25
why do the libs keep trying to make me like trump
peeface
  12/11/25
Why is ‘conservation’ not a conservative thing?
UN peacekeeper
  12/11/25
don't see any mention of conservation in that story, just cl...
peeface
  12/11/25
Climate change nonsense isn't conservation
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Ass Sunstein
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Many conservatives are huge fans of actual conservation, mys...
yuletide screens a'glowing
  12/11/25
I'm good with cutting down on the plastic water bottle nonse...
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  12/11/25
hunters, farmers, outdoorsmen, etc all tend to be conservati...
nude gunner
  12/11/25
climate change extremism was slowly dwindling but in the las...
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  12/11/25
That elites no longer care about climate change (for obvious...
UN peacekeeper
  12/11/25
the term "climate change" in of itself is/was in f...
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  12/11/25
Ps. Anyone denying the now-obvious effects of global warming...
UN peacekeeper
  12/11/25
I don't see any obvious effects? what are they? and what cau...
....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..
  12/11/25
and the next step after that - that we are a clear cause of ...
peeface
  12/11/25
North Dakota used to have tropical jungles. Things changed m...
Don Draper TP
  12/11/25
i believe in climate change. what i dont believe is that the...
nude gunner
  12/11/25
I believe climate change has enough good effects that I dgaf...
Don Draper TP
  12/11/25
lol @ you thinking that food for trees is a bad thing
Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong
  12/11/25
still going very strong in Europe
Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong
  12/11/25
US is legitimately going to lose on auto because of Trump's ...
Juan Eighty
  12/11/25
no one wants shitty chink EVs just like they don't want shit...
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i'd consider it if they were available. we're back in a...
peeface
  12/11/25
cheap chink EVs are an economic attack on western economies ...
Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong
  12/11/25
lol our own governments are an attack on western economies. ...
peeface
  12/11/25
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Juan Eighty
  12/11/25
I’m all for loosening regs but the war with China has ...
Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong
  12/11/25
if there are examples of nations prospering by making their ...
peeface
  12/11/25
wtf are you talking about? China artificially subsidizes ...
Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong
  12/11/25
cars were basically perfected by 2012 or so and then Obama w...
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I’m on my third Chrysler 300 now. The first went 200,0...
Don Draper TP
  12/11/25
also who the fuck is spending $70K for a chrysler?
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They're actually really nice.
Ass Sunstein
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literally everything made by the chinks sold here is cut rat...
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most expensive item that you spend most time in besides your...
nude dork
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in my case it's probably my country club but I'm just speaki...
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i rented a Grand Cherokee recently. guy leaned on the d...
peeface
  12/11/25
yep i'm sure these chink cars will totally be like $5K and n...
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lol an actual retard that thinks everyone driving around in ...
peeface
  12/11/25
you should find a better mandarin to engrish translator app
....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..
  12/11/25
what you said sounds stupid in any language
peeface
  12/11/25
Another reason the world will cheer and celebrate when we du...
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who is this "we" you seem to think you are a part ...
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We= all of humanity. You're gonna die
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ppl who spend their entire lives on the internet don't count...
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: UN peacekeeper

New York Was a Leader on Climate Issues. Under Hochul, Things Changed.

Faced with an affordability crisis and rising energy demands, Gov. Kathy Hochul has slowed progress on New York’s efforts to fight climate change.

As recently as last year, New York was considered a trailblazer in tackling climate change. With aggressive laws on the books, the state had planned to nearly eliminate greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

But New York’s environmental agenda, as embodied in its landmark 2019 climate law, has stalled under the watch of Gov. Kathy Hochul, who has said that political and economic conditions have shifted and the state has had to adapt.

The governor, a Democrat, is now dealing with a president who is hostile to renewable energy and has called climate change a “con job.” She is among the many governors around the country grappling with an affordability crisis, with fast-rising utility bills a main complaint. And she faces soaring energy demands, with electricity experts warning of a possible shortfall in New York City as soon as next summer.

The governor has said that “we need to govern in reality.” Her priority now is “to keep the lights and heat on and rates down for New Yorkers,” said Ken Lovett, Ms. Hochul’s senior communications adviser on energy and environment.

Some critics of the governor, however, say that such reasoning is shortsighted in the face of the existential threat of climate change. Environmental activists and some officials in her own party have accused Ms. Hochul of abandoning the state’s climate law for politically expedient reasons; the governor faces a re-election bid next year.

“We’re in a moment where it’s incredibly important for New York State to lead on energy affordability and climate,” said Liz Moran, a New York policy advocate for Earthjustice, an environmental nonprofit. “Unfortunately over the past year, we’ve seen the governor run toward the opposite direction.”

While some business leaders support the governor’s push to use more natural gas and nuclear energy to supply the state’s grid, critics say that her focus on affordability has shaped several policy decisions that have undermined the state’s climate goals.

Some of Ms. Hochul’s moves in the past year have alarmed climate activists and like-minded Democratic leaders. She has embraced energy-hungry tech ventures, including a bitcoin mining operation in the Finger Lakes region. State officials recently agreed to a settlement, after years of litigation, to extend the life of the gas plant that powers the facility. She also backed a plan for an offshore natural gas pipeline near New York City that had previously been rejected three times because of environmental concerns.

Ms. Hochul’s administration delayed the implementation of an all-electric buildings law passed in 2023 that would have banned gas power in a wide swath of new construction. And the governor has not taken full advantage of a 2023 law that enables the state to develop publicly owned renewable-energy projects, though Ms. Hochul was among those who cheered a judge’s decision this week to strike down President Trump’s halt on wind projects on federal property.

Perhaps the loudest complaints, however, are tied to the 2019 climate law. To reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the ambitious legislation calls for New York to get 70 percent of its electricity from renewable sources like wind, solar and hydropower by 2030 and to shift entirely to carbon-free power a decade later.

But the state is at least six years late in meeting its first target of a 40 percent decrease in planet-warming pollution by 2030. And full implementation of the law is not possible without its accompanying regulations, which the state is two years late in putting into effect. The sticking point is the centerpiece of the law, called cap and invest, which would charge polluters for exceeding emissions limits and use those proceeds to invest in renewable projects and energy-efficiency initiatives.

In the spring, several environmental groups, including Earthjustice, sued the state, arguing that it was in violation of the climate law. By October, a judge agreed, ordering officials to publish the missing regulations by early February. The governor has appealed, saying she needs more time to review and possibly amend the rules.

Ms. Hochul’s delay is similar to her approach to the rollout of congestion pricing in 2024, when she temporarily paused the tolling program to consider the financial burden on New Yorkers, said Michael B. Gerrard, an environmental law professor at Columbia.

Requiring fossil fuel companies to pay fees through a cap and invest program, Mr. Gerrard said, could lead to an increase in some consumer prices, like the cost of electricity. In New York, where power rates are already 50 percent higher than the national average, natural gas remains the largest source of fuel for electricity.

In a poll this year, most New Yorkers surveyed said they believed that keeping energy costs low was more important than decreasing greenhouse gas emissions.

State Senator Liz Krueger said that the cap and invest program would help accomplish both those aims. Her office cited one report that said households making under $200,000 a year would benefit from the policies subsidized by the program.

New York is still a leader on clean energy, Mr. Lovett of the governor’s office said. The state has exceeded its goals for the generation of solar energy, and supported two key private projects: a major offshore wind farm near Long Island and a transmission line that will deliver hydropower from Canada to New York City next year, he said. Ms. Hochul also announced a $1 billion investment fund earmarked for various renewable projects, including emissions reduction, over the next five years.

Critics of Ms. Hochul’s climate agenda have said they would also like to see the climate law back on track. The law’s cap and invest program has the potential to raise $5 billion a year or more, said Justin Flagg, the director of communications and environmental policy for Ms. Krueger.

And some of the business ventures backed by the governor are the same ones stoking the growing demand for energy.

Ms. Hochul wants to make the state a hub for tech companies, which can be energy-intensive. Currently in development is a $100 billion memory chip facility in Central New York that is projected to gobble up enough electricity to power nearly 1.5 million homes. Supporters of the project point out that as many as 50,000 jobs could be created.

New York’s business ambitions and emissions reduction goals are working at cross purposes, said Zilvinas Silenas, president of the Empire Center for Public Policy, an Albany think tank. “They are a train wreck in slow motion.”

The state faces an increase of up to 24 percent in annual electricity demand by 2040, according to the most recent draft of its energy plan. Aware of the mounting needs, Ms. Hochul has endorsed an “all-of-the-above” approach to energy instead of a singular focus on renewables. This, she has said, should help keep utility bills low.

Some experts say that these solutions, however, are time-consuming to build and expensive. Nuclear plants take years to construct and cost billions of dollars, and utility customers often end up footing the bill for gas infrastructure.

This month, Ms. Hochul has an opportunity to curb gas costs by amending a law that requires utilities to provide automatic gas hookups to new customers. Getting rid of the rule could result in about $581 million of savings on bills every year, according to a new analysis.

The governor is reviewing the legislation, Mr. Lovett said.

Ms. Krueger called the repeal of the rule, as well as programs like cap and invest, “critical affordability measures that we can’t afford to delay.”

Hilary Howard is a Times reporter covering how the New York City region is adapting to climate change and other environmental challenges.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501568)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: peeface

why do the libs keep trying to make me like trump



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501590)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: UN peacekeeper

Why is ‘conservation’ not a conservative thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501594)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: peeface

don't see any mention of conservation in that story, just climate change scammery



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501603)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:28 AM
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Climate change nonsense isn't conservation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501606)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:05 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501703)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: Ass Sunstein



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501793)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:02 PM
Author: yuletide screens a'glowing

Many conservatives are huge fans of actual conservation, myself included.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502101)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:35 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


I'm good with cutting down on the plastic water bottle nonsense. That shit barely existed until like 1995 and society got by just fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502218)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:19 PM
Author: nude gunner (gunneratttt)

hunters, farmers, outdoorsmen, etc all tend to be conservative and actually into conservation, as opppsed to shitlibs who think paper straws and massive subsidies for corporations = conservation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502332)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


climate change extremism was slowly dwindling but in the last month -- POOF -- it's det.

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5802376&mc=23&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501737)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: UN peacekeeper

That elites no longer care about climate change (for obviously selfish reasons) doesn’t mean it was a hoax. Two things can be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501741)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


the term "climate change" in of itself is/was in fact a hoax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501767)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:23 AM
Author: UN peacekeeper

Ps. Anyone denying the now-obvious effects of global warming is gaslighting and (again, for selfish reasons) simply wants to keep consooming and the status quo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501758)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


I don't see any obvious effects? what are they? and what caused them? what's wrong with it being slightly warmer? most of our planet is cold as shit, much of it to the point that its uninhabitable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501775)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 11:36 AM
Author: peeface

and the next step after that - that we are a clear cause of it, or have any capacity to direct it - is religion for people suffering from some sort of severe mental impairment.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49501783)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:12 PM
Author: Don Draper TP (blowing myself to kingdom cum - пиздец)

North Dakota used to have tropical jungles. Things changed might as well except it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502143)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:26 PM
Author: nude gunner (gunneratttt)

i believe in climate change. what i dont believe is that the world collectively has the will to mitigate it. i do what i can as an individual for the sake of peace of mind, but west just shipped everything to india, china, etc. in the name of climate change which is retarded.

so long as high pollution industry is more cost effective it'll be a race to the bottom and the ruling class isn't going to prohibit it when they benefit massively

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502359)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:06 PM
Author: Don Draper TP (blowing myself to kingdom cum - пиздец)

I believe climate change has enough good effects that I dgaf and I don’t want to suffer one iota to mitigate effects for anyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502522)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

lol @ you thinking that food for trees is a bad thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502931)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

still going very strong in Europe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502227)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:14 PM
Author: Juan Eighty

US is legitimately going to lose on auto because of Trump's insistence on ICEs

EV industry is going to be entirely China

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502155)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


no one wants shitty chink EVs just like they don't want shitty regular chink cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502223)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: peeface

i'd consider it if they were available.

we're back in a 80s/90s situation where NA and European cars are so garbage and so overpriced that the asian crap makes a lot of sense and are just being kept out by protectionism



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502253)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:09 PM
Author: Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

cheap chink EVs are an economic attack on western economies

we should put 300% tariffs on them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502301)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: peeface

lol our own governments are an attack on western economies.

why can't Chrysler make a $70K vehicle that doesn't fall apart in a mild breeze and is capable of safe acceleration on the highway.

our own industry produces such garbage that the government has to force people to buy their crap instead of chink deathtraps.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502317)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:16 PM
Author: Juan Eighty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502320)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

I’m all for loosening regs but the war with China has already started so continuing to feed that monster is equivalent to treason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502349)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: peeface

if there are examples of nations prospering by making their people poorer and less productive i'd be interested in reading about them



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502411)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:15 PM
Author: Pilgrims Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

wtf are you talking about?

China artificially subsidizes products meant for export so that they can collapse industries abroad and gain market share. That’s not free or fair trade it’s outright economic warfare in the most literal sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502557)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


cars were basically perfected by 2012 or so and then Obama went full militant on mpg regulations and GC started loading every car with useless tech

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502373)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:09 PM
Author: Don Draper TP (blowing myself to kingdom cum - пиздец)

I’m on my third Chrysler 300 now. The first went 200,000 plus miles, the second pulverized a deer and I couldn’t convince the insurance company to let me keep it. The one I have now is awesome. I’m disappointed Chrysler now insists I get a Pacifica to get anything newer but I’m hoping they change their mind before the current car is ready to be replaced .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502534)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:13 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


also who the fuck is spending $70K for a chrysler?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502552)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:17 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

They're actually really nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502325)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


literally everything made by the chinks sold here is cut rate low quality garbage that breaks at the drop of a hat. lol at trusting them with the most expensive item you own and where you spend most of your time besides your home and also poses the highest risk of death vs. anything else you do.

yep, totally buying some low quality chink shitbox vs. a normal car to save like $300. great call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502351)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: nude dork

most expensive item that you spend most time in besides your home? *** PROLE ALERT ***

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502426)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:41 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


in my case it's probably my country club but I'm just speaking of the general population. even ppl with yachts and private jets spend more time in their cars than they do there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502439)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: peeface

i rented a Grand Cherokee recently.

guy leaned on the door frame by the driver side window to talk to me.

an external body panel popped off. turns out it is affixed with two sided tape.

i went to walmart, got some crazy glue, put it back on before returning the car.

you would be saving like $50,000 and getting a better quality vehicle for it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502436)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:43 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


yep i'm sure these chink cars will totally be like $5K and not be low quality pieces of shit. cars are actually well made now or at least were until a few years ago and people who buy brand new cars are morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502446)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:47 PM
Author: peeface

lol an actual retard that thinks everyone driving around in a dwindling number of 1994 e-classes like an oversized version of Cuba is a sign of a reasonable healthy economy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502458)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:07 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


you should find a better mandarin to engrish translator app

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502526)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:26 PM
Author: peeface

what you said sounds stupid in any language

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502594)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 2:44 PM
Author: Jared Baumeister is a cow who welches on bets

Another reason the world will cheer and celebrate when we dump Trumpmos in unmarked mass graves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502447)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:08 PM
Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..


who is this "we" you seem to think you are a part of?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809023&forum_id=2...id.#49502532)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:15 PM
Author: Jared Baumeister is a cow who welches on bets

We= all of humanity. You're gonna die

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Date: December 11th, 2025 5:15 PM
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ppl who spend their entire lives on the internet don't count as human. it really should only be people who owns homes and have children but childless weirdos who at least attempt to have normal lives kind of count.

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Revenge of the Climate Realists

For years, those who questioned the calamity of climate change were treated like pariahs. Now, their day of vindication has come.

By Peter Savodnik

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Roger Pielke Jr., a public-policy expert who had studied the intersection of politics and climate science, had been battling the prophets of doom for years. Those who insisted we were on the brink of civilizational collapse. Mass death. A biblical confrontation with ourselves that would out-Flood the Flood.

But it was his argument that the rising cost of natural disasters had no tie to greenhouse gases that cost him his career.

In February 2015, Congressman Raúl Grijalva announced an investigation into Pielke’s climate research, sending letters to several universities suggesting that faculty members, including Pielke, who taught at the University of Colorado, were secretly working for energy companies.

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“Companies with a direct financial interest in climate and air quality standards,” Grijalva wrote to the universities, are behind “research that influences state and federal regulations and shapes public understanding of climate science.”

“Pretty much all the invitations to workshops and speaking engagements were canceled,” Pielke told me. “People were saying, ‘I’d love to support you, but I’m afraid they’ll come after me, too.’ ”

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It was upsetting but hardly shocking: Even though Pielke agreed global warming was a big problem, he was skeptical of the “catastrophizing” that has gripped the scientific establishment and the elites for the last decade.

“Our ability to live is what’s at stake,” former vice president Al Gore declared in his 2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth.

Soon, “climate change would move beyond man’s control,” the Nobel Prize Committee chairman warned while awarding Gore the Nobel Peace Prize the following year.

To question any of the science behind the emotion was to invite disdain, marginalization, outrage. That was Roger Pielke’s crime.

In the next few decades, “every place on Earth—the temperature will be hotter than it’s ever been,” environmental activist Bill McKibben said in 2013.

We are “the last generation that can do something,” President Barack Obama insisted while addressing the 2015 climate change summit in Paris.

“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words!” Greta Thunberg thundered while addressing world leaders in 2019.

And on and on.

At the time, it was hard to imagine that one day the fury would ebb.

To question any of the science behind the emotion was to invite disdain, marginalization, outrage. That was Roger Pielke’s crime. He had clashed with President Obama’s science adviser, John Holdren. And Grijalva, apparently taking his cue from the White House, wanted to know if Pielke was secretly funded by Big Oil.

Pielke vehemently denied the accusations. But at the University of Colorado and across the academic world, his exit was met with quiet approval. “No one on my campus talked to me about any of the events,” Pielke recalled. “I only heard from the university lawyers. For me, that was one of the strangest aspects of it. The department chair, the dean, the provost—it would have been a great chance for the university to stand up for academic freedom, but that wasn’t in the cards.

“It was the announcement of the investigation that was the point,” Pielke added.

The Democratic probe ultimately pushed Pielke out of climate research and into a new field of study: the governance of sports organizations.

They had been promising for two decades that the end was near—that Greenland would melt, and the Amazon would shrivel up, and sub-Saharan Africa would turn into a perma-desert, and New York City would be swallowed up by the Atlantic while climate refugees from the global South invaded Europe.

A handful of voices—including Pielke; the environmental scientist Steven Koonin; Judith Curry, the former chair of Georgia Tech’s School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences; the Danish political scientist Bjorn Lomborg; and Michael Shellenberger, the former activist and author of Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, among others—questioned the orthodoxy.

They didn’t doubt that the globe was warming, but they disagreed about the extent to which the warming was “anthropogenic,” or man-made, and they criticized the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and 2015 Paris Agreement and proposals like the Green New Deal, which they considered excessive at best, and probably counterproductive.

It wasn’t just Pielke who had paid for questioning the dogma.

After a prominent Pennsylvania State University climatologist called climatologist Curry a “serial climate disinformer” in a 2013 HuffPost piece, she “began planning my exit strategy from academia,” she told me. Koonin, who formerly worked in the Obama administration, said he was stung when, in 2021, Scientific American said he was a “a crank who’s only taken seriously by far-right disinformation peddlers.” (The magazine declined to publish Koonin’s response.) Shellenberger said he had been “censored” by Facebook in 2020, when it slapped a “partly false” rating on his article: “On Behalf of Environmentalists, I Apologize for the Climate Scare”—prompting Shellenberger to write an open letter to Mark Zuckerberg.

The old guard called them “deniers” or “denialists,” Shellenberger said, because it made them sound “fascist-adjacent.” “It links you with the Holocaust,” he told me. “I think it’s a very deliberate strategy.”

And then, over the past year, almost imperceptibly, a sea change started and the outsiders were no longer on the fringe.

The first unmistakable sign that the contours of the debate were shifting came in late January, during the Energy and Natural Resources Committee’s hearing for Donald Trump’s nominee for Energy Secretary, Chris Wright.

Wright, an MIT-trained mechanical engineer who previously founded a fracking company, calls himself a “climate realist”—he agrees climate change is real but supports developing new energy technologies, not capping fossil fuels.

Two Democrats on the committee—John Hickenlooper and Michael Bennet, both from Colorado—supported Wright, noting that they didn’t always agree with him but adding that he “believes in science” and American “energy independence.”

The old guard called them “deniers” or “denialists,” Michael Shellenberger said, because it made them sound “fascist-adjacent.” “It links you with the Holocaust,” he told me. “I think it’s a very deliberate strategy.”

Then, in April, the Council on Foreign Relations—the beating heart of the foreign-policy establishment—launched its Climate Realism Initiative, which aims to “leverage technology and finance” to rein in warming in “a way that spurs U.S. competitiveness.” (In a recent TED Talk, Gore dismissed climate realism, portraying it as a pet project of the energy companies.)

Six months later, Bill Gates, whose foundation had spent billions combating climate change, shifted his tone: “Although climate change will have serious consequences—particularly for people in the poorest countries—it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

Canada’s Liberal prime minister Mark Carney, who once championed net-zero carbon emissions as the UN’s Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance, soon after introduced a budget seeking to revivify the country’s liquefied natural gas sector while eliminating anti-“greenwashing” measures favored by his predecessor, Justin Trudeau.

Even UN Secretary-General António Guterres is sounding more restrained these days.

A year ago, at a UN climate summit in oil-rich Azerbaijan, Guterres warned that we face a “ticking clock”—adding that “we are in the final countdown to limit global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius.”

But last month, the secretary-general conceded that it was now inevitable that we would exceed the 1.5-degree threshold. Instead of warning of any looming catastrophes, he was now talking about ushering in a new era of “clean energy.”

They had been promising for two decades that the end was near—that Greenland would melt, and New York City would be swallowed up by the Atlantic. (Charly Triballeau / AFP via Getty Images)

Lomborg, the political scientist, told me: “I believe that we are witnessing a broader, more balanced reassessment of climate change.”

The reassessment was driven by several factors—starting with the all-important fact that we were still here.

“We see no long-term trends in most extreme weather events,” Steven Koonin, a theoretical physicist who spent most of his career at Caltech, said.

The number of hurricanes had plateaued.

There were not more tornadoes or cyclones or dust bowls or floods.

The wildfires that had ravaged California, Oregon, and much of South America could not be blamed on warming, although climate scientists did say climate change exacerbated their effects.

Even UN Secretary-General António Guterres is sounding more restrained these days.

Nor had there been any “accelerated sea-level rise,” Shellenberger said, “and island atolls—89 percent of them have either grown or stayed the same size.”

Pielke added that emissions had stabilized, as coal use had declined.

“With the exception of China and India, global coal consumption peaked about 15 years ago,” Pielke said. That’s because we are producing more innovative energy than ever, with a shift toward natural gas and nuclear.

Looking to the future, Koonin said: “What you’re going to see is the small nuclear reactors—let’s say a tenth of the size of the older ones. You build them in a factory, and then you put them on a train or a truck and move them to where they go. They’re all the same design, so the licensing is a lot less burdensome.”

The new thinking—that climate change was bad but not that bad—reflected the political sea change in Washington.

“The election of President Trump was an important trigger for this reassessment,” Judith Curry said in an email. “He effectively gave other governments the green light to slow down or even drop their ambitions for net-zero.”

Curry and Koonin were co-authors of a recently released Department of Energy climate change report that argued, among other things, that “models and experience suggest that CO2-induced warming might be less damaging economically than commonly believed, and excessively aggressive mitigation policies could prove more detrimental than beneficial.”

The new politics dovetailed with the rise of artificial intelligence, which, Koonin and Pielke said, was about to dramatically ratchet up energy demand with its data centers.

“Reality has bitten,” Koonin said.

Pielke added: “We’re going to need a lot more power going forward.” Meaning, more wind, plus space-based solar power and batteries with greater storage capacity. And, above all, more nuclear.

We are producing more innovative energy than ever, with a shift toward natural gas and nuclear. (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

The public appears open to that: 69 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Democrats would like to see more nuclear power.

“The future looks great for energy,” Pielke said.

The new thinking around climate comes at the same time that progressives—including Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson, the authors of the highly influential 2025 book Abundance—rethink decades of regulation that have limited construction of housing, transportation and, of course, power plants.

The new thinking—that climate change was bad but not that bad—reflected the political sea change in Washington.

Marc Dunkelman, a political historian at Brown University and the author of the recently published Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress—and How to Bring It Back, told me that the “governing infrastructure”—and mindset—is only slowly catching up with reality.

“The dirty secret is that the old notion that we need to abandon the economic advantage of using cheap, dirty energy to satisfy the moral imperative of taking advantage of clean, expensive energy doesn’t really apply anymore,” Dunkelman wrote in an email. “We’ve got the technology to make clean energy cheap.”

Even Greta Thunberg, who sailed across oceans in search of climate justice, seems to have given up: In the past year, she ditched the environment in exchange for a keffiyeh. Her new cause is Gaza.

The reassessment was anticipated by a famous 1962 book written by the philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Koonin said.

Central to Kuhn’s argument is the insight that scientific progress does not unfold the way we might imagine it happening—in laboratories filled with bespectacled, data-focused scientists immune to politics and culture. On the contrary, the people who do science—not only the researchers, but those who administer their departments and universities, the philanthropists and billionaires who fund their research, the influencers and politicians who align themselves with it and talk about it and build their brands around it—have a vested interest in whatever hypothesis or scientific theory they have constructed their careers around.

Alas, progress often happens only after a very gradual accretion of counter-evidence builds and there’s a “paradigm shift,” as Kuhn noted. Sometimes that process stretches across decades. Or centuries.

Exhibit A: Copernicus overthrowing the 1,400-year-old geocentric model of the universe. Or, Koonin said, eugenics, or Soviet agriculture, a.k.a. Lysenkoism—both of which were all the rage. Until they weren’t.

Or—maybe, just maybe—climate alarmism.

“The whole world believed these sciencey ideas and then came to understand that they were just wrong,” Koonin said. “People get invested in their careers, their reputations, their businesses, and it’s very hard to let those go—you have to wait until people die.”

It was easy to forget how many lives had been turned upside down by the alarmists.

A 2021 study published in The Lancet found that 60 percent of young people—ages 16 to 25—suffered from what has been called eco-depression or eco-anxiety. A 2025 survey published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reported that one in five people ages 16 to 24 did not want to bring children into the world, given the state of the climate.

Depression, domestic violence, lethargy, suicide—they were all, apparently, compounded by rising temperatures and melting ice caps and, perhaps more importantly, the belief that these things were being driven by huge, inexorable forces.

Jonathan Rinderknecht, the 29-year-old man suspected of starting the Palisades fire in Los Angeles, was enraged by his deeply held conviction that the people in charge were doing nothing to stop the climate apocalypse. (The fire left 12 dead, and razed nearly 7,000 buildings.)

“People should be angry,” Shellenberger said.

When I asked Curry whether any of her critics had quietly reached out to her to concede that maybe she’d had a point, she replied: “Many people have been telling me that for the past decade.” Like Lomborg, she was cautiously optimistic.

“I don’t see this as personal vindication, but rather as progress toward a more rational debate,” Lomborg said.

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Of course, Shellenberger said, the decline of climate alarmism does not mean the decline of alarmism. We had segued seamlessly from the Cold War–era fear of nuclear war to the fear of overpopulation to the fear of climate change.

And now?

“Now, it’s probably going to be AI security,” Koonin said. “That’s a big one. Or maybe microplastics. It could definitely be microplastics.”

It did not help that we inhabited a supremely political moment, Pielke said. The polarization, the anger, the constant ratcheting up of our emotions—it made us more susceptible to other people’s moral crusades.

“I would not expect a reckoning,” Pielke added.

He recalled that, after news of the Grijalva investigation broke, he called the University of Maine, where he was scheduled to give a talk at the Senator George J. Mitchell Center for Sustainability Solutions—after the Democratic former Senate minority leader.

“I said, ‘I don’t know if you saw The New York Times story,’ ” Pielke said, “and they laughed and said, ‘Senator Mitchell knows how Congress works, and he looks forward to welcoming you in September.’ That kind of buoyed me.”



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Date: December 11th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Jared Baumeister is a cow who welches on bets

"With the exception of China and India,"

Shitcon IQ, folks

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