(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50012952)

Its about chasing rings by joining other superstars vs staying home and building a team around you, win or not.

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50012976)

The "55 game" argument might be the biggest soy zoomer fedora doffing tell of 2026

-Chicago added Kukoc and Kerr, won 55 games and LOST in the second round.

-Next year, they went 34–31 without Jordan, 13–4 after he returned, then 72–10 and world champs in his first full season back.

-1998 Bulls went from 62–20 to 13–37

Now for the "ball don't lie"numbers:

-Jordan: 6–0, 6 of 6 Finals MVPs, five MVPs, 10 scoring titles, DPOY and 9 All-Defensive First Teams.

-Jordan did this in only 15 seasons--13 if you discount the Wizards, meaning LeBron had 10 MORE SEASONS TO FAIL AT EQUALLING JORDAN IN JUST 1 OF THOSE ACHIEVEMENTS

-LeBron has never won MVP + championship + Finals MVP + scoring title + First-Team All-NBA + First-Team All-Defense in the same season.

-JORDAN DID IT 4 TIMES

-LeBron’s run included Spurs AND Warriors dynasties.

-Jordan’s championship window had one dynasty: Michael Jordan was the dynasty.

-Garnett, Pierce, Nowitzki and Kidd won their ONLY rings by running through LeBron or beating him in the Finals. Jokic won his only ring by sweeping him.

-Jordan ELIMINATED NBA LEGENDS preventing them from getting ONE ring: Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Miller, Wilkins, Mutombo, Hardaway, Mullin, Kemp, Webber, Divac. Fuck add Petrović too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50016177)

Lebron's performance in the 2016 finals is greater than any finals performance of Jordan and that is an objective fact. He willed his team to victory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50016409)

-Dwyane Wade was ALREADY an NBA champion, Finals MVP, league leader in scoring and First-Team All-NBA BEFORE LeBron joined Wade's team.

-Chris Bosh: 5x All-Star, All-NBA and the Raptors' franchise leader in points and rebounds BEFORE playing with LeBron.

-Anthony Davis: 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA First Team, 3rd in MVP voting and the Pelicans' franchise leader in points, rebounds and blocks BEFORE playing with LeBron.

-Kevin Love: career 26.1 ppg and 12.5 rebs, 3x All-Star, All-NBA Second Team BEFORE playing with Lebron.

-Ray Allen: a champion, 10x All-Star, 3pt records, etc. BEFORE LeBron.

-LeBron had TWO all-star HoF teammates on 2 of his 4 championship teams.

-In 2020, he had an All-Star, First-Team All-NBA, and perennial DPOY candidate and blocks leader at his peak.

Compared with Jordan’s cast of… Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant? Or Pippen and the 36yo Wedding Dress version of Dennis Rodman?

On Jordan's 1991 and 1998 championship teams, he had ZERO All-Star teammates.

In Jordan’s ENTIRE career, he had ONE All-Star teammate EVER.

Let's drill down on that:

-In 21 career elimination games, Pippen had 14.5 PPG on 39.6% shooting

-In his six career Game 7s: 12.2 PPG, 35.1% shooting, 19% 3pt and 65.2% FT.

-In Jordan’s only Game 7 loss EVER, Pippen scored 2 points. 1/10 shooting in 42 minutes

-When Pippen missed the first 35 games of the 97-98 season, Jordan and Rodman DGAF and went 24-11.

-In the 1998 title clinching game 6, Pippen scored 8 points. Jordan scored 45 of 87 Bulls points including a crucial steal on Malone and the FW walk-off.

This idea that Jordan couldn't win without some vague star-studded cast is shitty fan fiction that is literally the opposite of reality. THEY COULDN'T DO SHIT WITHOUT HIM. When Pippen & Grant teamed up with other superstars and had more usage, they did WORSE.

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"Lebron's performance in the 2016 finals is greater than any finals performance of Jordan and that is an objective fact. He willed his team to victory."

This requires one to ignore that the Cavs were down 1-3 BECAUSE of LeBron.

-In games 1-4 he had 24.8 points.

-In Games 2 and 4 he had 7 turnovers each.

He averaged 29.7/11.3/8.9 for the series. But Kyrie averaged 27.1 PPG in the same series. Kyrie and LeBron BOTH scored 41 in Game 5 (when Draymond was suspended).

Jordan had 41.0 ppg, 8.5 rebounds and 6.3 assists in the 1993 Finals.

Jordan had 31.2 points, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks on 55.8% in the 1991 Finals.

LeBron objectively played at Jordan's level for THREE games in ONE out of TEN FINALS appearances.

At most you could argue that this was objectively the GOAT finals series performance for LEBRON.

But in game 7 when the score was tied with under 1 minute left, KYRIE hit the finals-winning 3-pointer. KEVIN LOVE had the critical "STOP" on Curry. WTF did LeBron contribute? This narrative that he willed a "helpless" team past the Dynasty Warriors is utterly bizarre, false and grotesque. It is bad opinion dressed in a fedora.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50018561)

Jordan ducked Hakeem Olajuwon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50018548)

Bill Russell is awesome and I'm sure there's a good repsonse to this but its hard to place as no. 2 a guy who career averaged 15 ppg and never averaged over 20. but maybe. winning 11 chips in 13 seasons will basically never be broken ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50017551)

But ENTJ (instead of ISTP). This gave Kobe one advantage; he was energized by the media spotlight and celebrity culture vs Jordan found it tiresome.

LeBron = .85 * (Jordan) + 2" height + 30 lbs muscle

Also ENTJ like Kobe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883810&forum_id=2...id.#50018580)