UCLA surpasses Berkeley. Cornell now a festering TTT.

Columbia at number 10, below NYU and Mich.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/1ju1kr8/2025_us_news_rankings_dropped/?rdt=35783

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48826617)

1 - Stanford University

1 - Yale University

3 - University of Chicago

4 - University of Virginia

5 - University of Pennsylvania (Carey)

6 - Duke University

6 - Harvard University

8 - New York University

8 - University of Michigan–Ann Arbor

10 - Columbia University

10 - Northwestern University (Pritzker)

12 - University of California–Los Angeles

13 - University of California, Berkeley

14 - Georgetown University

14 - University of Texas–Austin

14 - Vanderbilt University

14 - Washington University in St. Louis

18 - Cornell University

18 - University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill

20 - University of Minnesota

20 - University of Notre Dame

22 - Boston University

22 - Texas A&M University

22 - University of Georgia

25 - Boston College

26 - University of Southern California (Gould)

26 - Wake Forest University

28 - Brigham Young University (Clark)

28 - Ohio State University (Moritz)

28 - University of Wisconsin–Madison

31 - George Mason University (Scalia)

31 - George Washington University

31 - University of Alabama

31 - University of Utah (Quinney)

31 - William & Mary Law School

36 - University of Iowa

36 - Washington and Lee University

38 - Emory University

38 - Florida State University

38 - Fordham University

38 - University of California–Irvine

38 - University of Florida (Levin)

43 - Baylor University

43 - Southern Methodist University (Dedman)

45 - Arizona State University (O’Connor)

46 - Indiana University–Bloomington (Maurer)

46 - University of Colorado–Boulder

48 - University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

48 - Villanova University (Widger)

50 - Temple University (Beasley)

50 - University of California–Davis

50 - University of Connecticut

50 - University of Kansas

50 - University of Washington

55 - Pepperdine University (Caruso)

57 - University of Missouri

57 - University of San Diego

59 - Marquette University

59 - Pennsylvania State University Dickinson Law

63 - St. John’s University

63 - University of Houston Law Center

63 - University of Maryland (Carey)

63 - University of South Carolina

68 - Pennsylvania State University–University Park

68 - University of Kentucky (Rosenberg)

71 - Loyola Marymount University

71 - Seton Hall University

71 - The Catholic University of America

71 - University of Cincinnati

71 - University of Nebraska–Lincoln

71 - University of Richmond

71 - Wayne State University

79 - University of Nevada–Las Vegas (Boyd)

79 - University of Pittsburgh

84 - Belmont University

84 - Drake University

84 - Florida International University

88 - Texas Tech University

88 - University of California–San Francisco

88 - University of Maine School of Law

92 - Duquesne University (Kline)

92 - University of Miami

94 - Regent University

94 - Saint Louis University

94 - University at Buffalo–SUNY

94 - University of Oregon

94 - University of St. Thomas

99 - Lewis & Clark College (Northwestern)

99 - Stetson University

99 - University of Hawaii–Manoa (Richardson)

99 - University of Missouri–Kansas City

99 - University of Montana (Blewett)

104 - American University (Washington)

104 - Rutgers University

107 - Case Western Reserve University

107 - Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)

107 - Indiana University Indianapolis (McKinney)

107 - Mercer University (George)

107 - Samford University (Cumberland)

107 - Syracuse University

107 - University of Dayton

107 - University of New Mexico

115 - Michigan State University

115 - University of Arkansas–Fayetteville

117 - Albany Law School

117 - Brooklyn Law School

117 - University of Wyoming

117 - West Virginia University

121 - New York Law School

121 - University of Mississippi (Ole Miss)

121 - Washburn University

125 - Hofstra University (Deane)

125 - University of New Hampshire (Pierce)

127 - Seattle University

127 - Suffolk University

127 - University of Akron

127 - University of South Dakota (Knudson)

127 - University of Tulsa

133 - DePaul University

134 - Campbell University (Wiggins)

138 - South Texas College of Law Houston

139 - University of Arkansas - Little Rock (Bowen)

139 - University of Baltimore

141 - Gonzaga University

141 - Liberty University

141 - Pace University (Haub)

141 - Quinnipiac University

146 - University of Memphis (Humphreys)

148 - Creighton University

148 - St. Mary’s University

150 - Northern Illinois University

150 - University of Toledo

150 - Willamette University College of Law

153 - Ave Maria School of Law

154 - Mitchell Hamline School of Law

156 - CUNY School of Law

156 - Santa Clara University

158 - Elon University

158 - Mississippi College

163 - University of North Texas–Dallas

169 - Lincoln Memorial University (Duncan)

169 - Roger Williams University

169 - Touro University (Fuchsberg)

169 - University of Illinois–Chicago

175 - Southern Illinois University–Carbondale

175 - University of Puerto Rico

178-195 - Appalachian School of Law

178-195 - Atlanta’s John Marshall Law School

178-195 - Barry University

178-195 - California Western School of Law

178-195 - Charleston School of Law

178-195 - Cooley Law School

178-195 - Faulkner University (Jones)

178-195 - Florida A&M University

178-195 - Inter-American University

178-195 - North Carolina Central University

178-195 - Nova Southeastern University (Broad)

178-195 - Ohio Northern University (Pettit)

178-195 - Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico

178-195 - Southern University Law Center

178-195 - St. Thomas University

178-195 - University of the District of Columbia (Clarke)

178-195 - Western State College of Law at Westcliff University

No Rank - Golden Gate University

No Rank - Jacksonville University College of Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827481)

https://www.poerkan.com/product/african-superman-sex-pill/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48839818)

Been a rough few decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48826943)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48826947)

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13 hr. ago

cornell number 18? 😭

Upvote

256

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827203)

Cornell is Reddit central--the meaty midwit middle of law schools. Let that sink in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827209)

https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2025/04/2025-26-us-news-law-school-peer-reputation-rankings-and-overall-rankings.html

Peer Rank Peer Score School Overall Rank

1 4.7 Harvard 6

1 4.7 Stanford 1

3 4.6 Chicago 3

4 4.5 Columbia 10

4 4.5 Yale 1

6 4.4 NYU 8

6 4.4 UC-Berkeley 13

6 4.4 Virginia 4

9 4.3 Duke 6

9 4.3 Michigan 8

9 4.3 Penn 5

12 4.2 Cornell 18

12 4.2 Georgetown 14

12 4.2 UCLA 12

15 4.1 Northwestern 10

15 4.1 Texas 14

17 3.9 Vanderbilt 14

18 3.7 Minnesota 20

18 3.7 Notre Dame 20

18 3.7 USC 26

18 3.7 Washington Univ. 14

22 3.6 Boston University 22

22 3.6 Emory 38

22 3.6 UC-Davis 50

25 3.5 George Washington 31

25 3.5 Georgia 22

25 3.5 North Carolina 18

25 3.5 UC-Irvine 38

25 3.5 Wisconsin 28

30 3.4 Boston College 25

30 3.4 Florida 38

30 3.4 Ohio State 28

30 3.4 William & Mary 31

34 3.3 Alabama 31

34 3.3 Arizona State 45

34 3.3 Colorado 46

34 3.3 Fordham 38

34 3.3 Indiana (Maurer) 46

34 3.3 Iowa 36

34 3.3 University of Washington 50

41 3.2 Illinois 48

41 3.2 University of Arizona 59

41 3.2 Utah 31

41 3.2 Wake Forest 26

41 3.2 Washington & Lee 36

46 3.1 Florida State 38

46 3.1 Maryland 63

46 3.1 Texas A&M 22

46 3.1 Tulane 71

46 3.1 UC Law - SF 88

51 3.0 BYU 28

51 3.0 Connecticut 50

51 3.0 San Diego 57

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827217)

OSU above GW? (which is tied with U of Alabama)

Does BIGLAW take this shit seriously when recruiting?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827224)

LOL!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827410)

Yale is 174/3.96: https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827454)

WUSTL accepts a ton of splitters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827462)

I wouldn’t go there but I guess I wouldn’t go to Cornell or Georgetown either at this point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827765)

No one that actually practices law would think Texas A&M (#22) is a better law school than USC (26), Wake Forest (26), GW (31), W&M (31), Emory (38) or Fordham (38).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827418)

uCLA will supplant Cornell for a long time IMO

Cornell will no longer be in the top 14 is my point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48827793)

No person in human history admitted to both Penn and HLS has chosen Penn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48831485)

Is there a single person in the whole world who sincerely believes that "The University of Chicago Law School" is really a T3 American law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48828280)

honestly you're better off going to a school with a sports program like DOOK or MICH or PENN STATE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48828289)

???

Because "the original tbf" used to troll heavily for The University of Chicago Law School?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48828752)

Author: renada deshada

Subject: chicago..

How did it happen that making the tired claim that this ghetto shithole is UNDERrated became the signature conversation piece for people who desperately want to be thought smart; really, really smart. smart people love "rigor" and Chicago is full of it; it must be, what with its hair-splitting number grades, punishingly low enforced mean, and oppressive course load.

Chicago boosterism usually comes in the form of a comparison with the appallingly UNrigorous Stanford or Yale -- gradeless, abundantly pass-fail, unserious; students who do nothing and know nothing. Chicago: graded, competitive, serious... That it's really just a ruptured ego rehab clinic for Harvard rejects is a fact not emphasized.

I have seen a homely Chicago girl, deep into her second year, still spontaneously weeping upon Proustian recollections of the stiff NO Harvard sent her, in brisk three-week turnaround time from the point her doomed application was deemed complete. Happy December, chickiepoo. Then the Yale axe fell, as it does. Welcome to the New Year, dipshit. January passed; February crawled by with those joyless acceptances that only accentuated the horror of Plan B: Georgetown, which is a "Law Center," a failed euphemism if ever there was one. Next: woeful Cornell. Oh, what a very bad school. And -- what do we have here?!? -- a Boston University full-ride. Ummmm, no. On second thought in stead of BU I'd prefer the free roasted dogshit mignon with a pus reduction sauce and a heaping blob of earwax garnish. Thank you no. I am woe. Add to that the fact that the imbecile who always posts about how Sean Hannity is a "serious thinker" just got into Harvard. Time for you to start some damage-control posting here, on the PR board, pretending to seriously consider this BU affront.

You wave the flag of thrift and test out a quaintly anachronistic abhorrence of debt. Substantively, you add in some tommyrot about how BU's "really strong in ...'international law,' whatever the #@!* that is. BU? Yeah, right. But you need something that gives the illusion that Georgetown, if it comes to that, isn't the three years incarcerated in a smegma chamber that it is. So good, so fine you'll drop the cash dollars despite that lovely gift from BU. You're forming a cover story; something to puff the very real and very nauseating prospect of joining 600 other defeated mediocrities at ... #@!*, no ... Georgetown. And you thought going to college at Penn was bad. . Still, there are two more to hear from. Two more law schools ...There's that late April Stanford rejection (inconsiderate bastards) which at least affords you ample time to manufacture the next layer in the cover story: e.g., a strict policy against California, a suburban aversion, a preference for bigness, all of which eliminate Stanford from the sweepstakes. Be sure, too, to ridicule their tepid 25-75 LSAT %ile, too. Kill it dead, if you must. Maybe you thrust out of your frozen horror by sending off one of those strategic "withdrawal" letters, the way all those clowns do when Harvard puts them on hold ... ".you cant't fire me ... i quit! "

Adios, Stanford. Suck my female private part, you no-SCOTUS-clerking/dike-dean-third tier toilet. ... die, die, you gravy-sucking pig. .... and now, then, there is just one. Chicago. The Law School. Chicago does do that pathetic yield-maximizing stall, so February passes, March crawls. They haven't the nuts to try the ricockulous move Stanford does. So they write. Ever rigorous, The Law School requests the pleasure of your company. Not so fast . No decision has been made. They want to inspect you in person. The "evaluative interview. Looking for people skills. And evident thirst for knowledge. The life of the law is the law itself. It seems you've screwed up; quite possible when they went "behind the numbers." Maybe those two essay paragraphs about why the 171, exactly where you topped out in Kaplan, is a truer measure than the 164. maybe it was two paragraphs too many. You weren't an auto-admit. So off to the "evaluative interview," and you give them not much to evaluate. You stay on message, though: owing to its RIGOR, Chicage is now, and ever was, your FIRST CHOICE. Tell your audience what it wants to hear. Then they decide, engaging the only evaluation that matters in this gig. Looks like they can break even with your sorry ass. Median-wise, your 171 nullifies the 159 URM from Howard they took yesterday. They'll swallow your 3.46; sometimes that's the price of a yield-lock, and you're that. (No one's swallowing the Howard guy, if you catch my racy double entendre.)

These admissions guys talk, as you suspected, and you wisely decide against telling them it had come down to Chicago or Harvard for you; first versus second choice; no choice at all. Never get caught lying. Bad idea, even worse than telling that stupid girl from Emory you were "a Kennedy." These things get found out. Like they say, no sense lying about your cock size. Turns out you didn't need to fake a bidding war. The usual stampede of all Chicago's best admitees are going to Y and H and S without so much as the courtesy of telling C to go pound sand. Why tell them what they already know? They need to fill place #143 of their famously teeny-weenie class. The assumed occupant got unheld at Harvard this morning; never so relieved, he had the audacity to ask Chicago for his deposit back. They don't need these headaches.

You're in. They write, very pleased to offer admission; then a recital of just how "keen" the competition was for the few precious "seats" in the class of 2006; and, finally, a paragraph celebrating the legal profession with a toploftiness and richly felt purpose so precisely at variance with reality that you are unsettled by the suspicion that you might be the target of a satire so subtly corrosive that you will never connect it with the despair that will progress, exponentially; beginning as a persistent annoyance progressing into a pervasive physical and mental crapulence and ending in the crippling burden as lumber and writhe and tumble toward the epiphany. What epiphany is that? That this "career" of yours --BIGLAW! -- has somewhat less to recommend it than residence in the "shoe" at Pelican Bay. For now, though, the seed of tragic hopelessness finds expression in the "Law Discussion Area." You post -- IN AT CHICAGO -- and, without overtly lying, you manufacture the entirely erroneous impression that you "chose" Chicago, being also the originator of the CHICAGO v. HARVARD and YALE v. CHICAGO threads, under various of your insipid monikers, all selected from either Pulp Fiction or Friends.

Be careful not to ass #@!* your credibility, though. The purported Yale turn-down is a tough one to pull off. The "New Haven's-an-armpit" trope just doesn't pass the ha-ha test. It's too puny a reason to toss away a lifetime of being supposed a genius ... #@!* it: always good to give your fabrications a little populist tint, not to mention a dollop of truth. Join the commiseration thread of Yale rejects; pretend to be sad for that Nuisance turd; be one of the masses for once. Getting rejected isn't the same thing as not getting in, You merely did not get in. You claim to have been wait-listed; and, with admirable maturity, you hold out no hope. Remember, too, this lie must be built on several fronts. Lard up the Harvard thread with grave concern about big classes, low morale, faculty acrimony, and speculation about a precipitous US News ranking drop.

Throughout April, you go political, fulminating about Tribe and Dershowitz and how Duncan Kennedy drives a far-too-expensive car. to be a genuine socialist. Chicago's "conservative climate" is just a better fit for you; marginal cost curves figure in your every analytical moment; you read Posner opinions on the crapper; Coase is as important as Socrates. There is that little stinging glitch, though. Somehow Stanford neglected to process that request to quash your application, which is not favorably acted upon and this is memoriaized in a letter that suggests the Stanford Admissions Office ignores their LaserWriter Pro's TONER LOW warning.

On May 7th they regret to inform and wish you well at any of the scores of other law schools that, they assure you "offer excellent programs of legal instruction." (Which, you have no doubt, they do. What they don't offer, is really the only important thing Stanford does offer: the opportunity to sit for three years with your thumb up your ass, comatose, and still get the job you'll have to bust nuts to get coming from whichever craphole you end up at.) It's sealed.

An ugly, styleless maroon CHICAGO LAW, Champion sweatshirt has arrived, per your online order. You wear it, eliciting congratulations from the babe you want to rail. She's so happy for you, and you're so wrapped up in the fantasy of creaming on her unmentionables you nearly miss perky aside that her boyfriend remains in the throes of elation from his admission to Yale, back in January. Throughout the summer, you bookmark links that embody the wisdom US News lacks. Your are heading off, soon, to your own first choice, which also places first in a ranking produced by the rigorous methodology conceived by a statistician from the University of Maryland Baltimore County. That Harvard tied for #14 undermines your confidence in the ranking diminishes the likelihood it will supplant US News' preeminence. So you go. Your Hyde Park apartment is actually rather nice. Your housemate went to Harvard College. One night, instead of jacking off before sleep, you register as an active component of your self-conception the notion that, transitively, your housemate's undergraduate credential nullifies the Harvard rejection that left you lusterless and unlaid at your senior prom, -- and has persisted as a gnawing ache, going on five years. You are now on equal footing with a Harvard graduate. Should your law school prowess exceed his -- say a 75 in Torts to his 74 -- you will once and for all flick away the scab of that Harvard wound. First cut is the deepest.

As it turns out, your housemate is an engaging, witty fellow. He's porking the big bosomed lady with the Dutch accent. Wow! He offers to you, his new chum, the story of his own execution -- by lethal injection -- as expected, he painlessly relates, by the HLS admission staff. You pretend to explore what might have caused things to go awry, flatulating the usual fatuousness about Harvard being excessively "numbers driven," the "arbitrariness" of it all, dangling the threat of going on at some length, when he offers up the only information you genuinely care to know about him: : 178/3.34 ..Of course some one will inevitably have the 6th percentile college GPA in every HLS class; probably not a white guy from Greenwich, though. Friendship is built through reciprocity. So you tell your own story. You attempt to weave compassion into the telling of your story, being careful not to appear boastful about not just possessing, but discarding something he does not possess. HLS. Dreamy, So, your story: the grueling back-and-forth ... one day it's Chicago, the next Harvard; the hardest decision you've ever made; that feeling of immense responsibility to yourself; discovering and summoning the emotional maturity to pierce the specious veil that is prestige. With the bearing of a battle weary soldier you tell what it is to do something rarely done -- circumnavigate the Earth, dunk a basketball on a regulation hoop, turn down Harvard Law School . You picked Chicago. You chose, you adorable little existentialist.

You are not exposed, chiefly because this a shared lie, Community glue. (Postscript: Throughout the 1Lyear you and your housemate discover much commonality, He, too, prefers the Stones to the Beatles. You both smoke pot. neither is circumcised. You've each screwed 5 girls; gotten head from several others. Each of you applies to transfer. He gets into HLS. He turns down Harvard Law School. Of course no two people are exactly alike. Your desire to transfer wanes around the time Stanford and Yale's decisions on your transfer applications reach you by mail. You begin the CHIGAGO 1L TAKING QUESTIONS thread. One of your alter ego monikers asks simply: how do you like Chicago. You love it. You wouldn't go anywhere else and, you note, there were other places you could have gone. Same for your housemate. He transfers to Yale.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48829044)

we're back on track now. maga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48831095)

NU Law is tied with Columbia :)

Could have gone to DOOK and been tied with HLS :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48831734)

Considering that everyone goes to law school to get a job that difference is pretty much the whole game. Obviously a con law class at T50 is not going to be materially different than at a T10, they both have law libraries (not that this actually matters today), etc. But of course having employers be impressed by your school is meaningful. And it basically follows you in your career directly and indirectly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48831824)

profs at lower ranked schools usually didn't have the HYS+SCOTUS clerk stats to start elsewhere. this includes a lot of t14 + a decade of AUSA types, which you don't see much of at t14s except for some oldmos practiced so long ago it's irrelevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48835416)

the quality of instruction at lower ranked schools is often better because the professors are younger and hungry to climb the prestige ladder. professors are top ranked schools are often those who have already achieved that and pretty checked out on caring about the quality of their instruction.

on the other hand, top schools spend most of the time exploring nuances and the purpose of different laws because they're confident the students will do fine getting the law itself down and pass the bar. the lower ranked the school the more time they'll spend just hammering what the law is into students. which one of these is a "better" quality of education is subjective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48831956)

likewise, TTT grads are always hypercompetent, because to do what i do they had to demonstrate a lot of competence to overcome their shit school.

the better the school the more likely you are to be a smart and competent. but it also increases the odds that you're getting opportunities because people your school signals you're likely to be that, even if you aren't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48832057)

I don’t know why, but I can never forget this line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707227&forum_id=2...id.#48834089)