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Was/is anyone here an HONEST biller in biglaw?
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:45 PM Author: motley native i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers, browsing the internet for personal stuff, using the restroom.
also, if I accidentally left my timer running when I wasn't working, I subtracted the excess time based on my rough estimate.
under this system, the most i ever billed in a month was 230, and that was absolutely hellish. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM Author: Sienna boltzmann market Look at this fucking nerd using a timer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955796) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:17 AM Author: transparent new version field 230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 a month but actually workd like a hundred or so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956128) |
Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:48 PM Author: Submissive Lettuce lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turning it off. are u a fempoaster? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953677) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM Author: Bossy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953775) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:49 PM Author: Citrine boyish electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953683) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:51 PM Author: cheese-eating lodge When I was above 200 my bills were most honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953693) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:52 PM Author: fishy alcoholic pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953696) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:53 PM Author: twisted slippery bawdyhouse I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best and adding value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953697) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:57 PM Author: cheese-eating lodge Partner: Please see me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953711) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:58 PM Author: fishy alcoholic pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953719) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:01 PM Author: twisted slippery bawdyhouse I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953730) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM Author: Bossy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953776) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:32 AM Author: Stimulating yellow preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956167) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2025 1:24 AM Author: Appetizing walnut giraffe trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#49041751) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:55 PM Author: Learning Disabled Box Office the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large reason why I left biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953704) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:18 AM Author: transparent new version field why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956129) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:00 PM Author: amber cracking boistinker On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip” for your services. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953725) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:11 PM Author: Bossy property 18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% or even 22% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953779) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:18 PM Author: amber cracking boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953815) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM Author: tan center indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953820) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:26 AM Author: cheese-eating lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955678) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2025 1:24 AM Author: Appetizing walnut giraffe trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#49041752) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:12 PM Author: cheese-eating lodge My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote an essay admitting to billing fraud and Sidley was like, “we checked and everything looked good to us. Here’s a ten percent rebate.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953784) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:13 PM Author: Submissive Lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953787) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:23 PM Author: Saffron charismatic crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953844) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:17 PM Author: Saffron charismatic crackhouse Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired
When applying I'd give honest solid resumes all passed up Then I lie even a little bit and they all bite
I tell clients realistic timetables that are still aggressive but reasonable passed or fired eventually
Now I straight up lie
Employment is a satanic system built around forcing u to lie cheat and steal in some sick humiliation ritual
Few ever see the truth about this |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM Author: Red tantric friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953819) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:21 PM Author: Bossy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48953828) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:51 PM Author: motley native what happens when the truth comes out later? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48954139) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:54 PM Author: Saffron charismatic crackhouse Never does imo
It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone else is in on it trying not to be caught
Seems like u only get "caught" if u step out of line politically (call out jews etc) or are bottom of the barrel and are essentially a Aztec pyramid blood sacrifice |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM Author: dashing crystalline dilemma hunting ground people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and women struggle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955867) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:50 PM Author: odious amethyst nursing home scourge upon the earth I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type of bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48954460) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:33 AM Author: Stimulating yellow preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956169) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:55 PM Author: Vibrant dull piazza While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I never billed for more than the "value" of my work product. So yes I was honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48954471) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:22 PM Author: umber supple trailer park tank (superstar biglawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48954578) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM Author: dashing crystalline dilemma hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955868) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:28 AM Author: pearly beady-eyed doctorate self preservation through mental gymnastics we're all good people, right? especially me. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:14 PM Author: motley native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48954529) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 9:45 PM Author: Fragrant parlour If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to dock their pay because when the orders got slow, they chatted with their cowrker rather than mopped the floor.
The same thing applies to law. You take the time you were at work, working, and you divide proportionally.
It's not natural for a person to read 500 pages of bonds without a break - in fact most research says you need to take periodic breaks for your mind to regenerate.
YOu shouldn't "pause your timer" after draftig some document because you're taking a lap to the water cooler or checking Facebook for a bit because you can't rewrite Section 13.6 e.
Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.
My point being that whenever your brain is required to be in "work mode" - someone should be paying for that. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:27 PM Author: Submissive Lettuce >Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.
so what do you bill for that? 1.25 to me makes sense |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:31 PM Author: Fragrant parlour For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're answering multiple hours then i feel like the entire time is fair game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955262) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:35 PM Author: brilliant legal warrant son of senegal wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955265) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:40 PM Author: Fragrant parlour When its super slow, they should.
When its just a short break, people would quit if they were expected to be fully working 100% of the time. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:42 PM Author: brilliant legal warrant son of senegal im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employees can actually quit. thats mickey d's whole business model. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955287) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM Author: cheese-eating lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955680) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:21 AM Author: transparent new version field this guy gets it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956141) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:51 PM Author: bonkers claret senate round eye I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the client. If I work hard on something but don't end up with a product that helps the client very much then I will actually underbill for my hours spent. Usually the product is good, though, and then I'm pretty fucking loose in my billing. Me and everyone else I know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955307) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM Author: cheese-eating lodge (Wachtel) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955681) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:31 AM Author: beta irate indian lodge Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours by 50% without drawing suspicion? 1500 gets you fired, 2250 gets you a bonus. The only people who ever get caught do colossally stupid shit like bill more than 24 hours in a day, bill for work that was never done, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955722) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:43 AM Author: Submissive Lettuce The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is that the firm WANTS you to inflate your bill by 50%. Incentives are entirely aligned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955798) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:06 AM Author: indecent vivacious mad cow disease Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbilling by 200-500%, not flame. It's like the young woman who spends too long with one foot out the door, or the dude with developing mental illness who's unable to do more than an hour or two of work a couple times a week. And they're ID'd for qualitative reasons, not the billing itself, which is often a straight-up pretext to expedite getting rid of the person.
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:24 AM Author: aromatic ivory philosopher-king turdskin I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our faggy billing system automatically populated 8 hours on holidays. I think this was for the benefit of the hourly employees, but it carried over for salaried lawyers too. Anyway, I ended up working an 18 hour day on Thanksgiving, which the system wouldn't accept. Getting that sorted with the billing system retard was a nightmare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956150) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM Author: purple laser beams I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often to the benefit of nobody (lots of contingency matters). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955792) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM Author: Sienna boltzmann market lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955794) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:44 AM Author: Sienna boltzmann market At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was considered a top associate we had a universal understanding on asshole taxes for work that came in Friday afternoon with a “don’t kill your self on this, Monday AM is fine for a markup” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955799) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:31 AM Author: aromatic ivory philosopher-king turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956165) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:08 AM Author: fighting exciting cuck The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that you never log anything less than a 0.4 even if you spend 30 seconds on it because whatever you’re doing is taking you away from something else you could be doing and billing for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955837) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:15 AM Author: indecent vivacious mad cow disease I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarming to hear about a partner looking out for a young person like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48955848) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2025 1:55 AM Author: Swashbuckling twinkling uncleanness CR I have talked with enough friends and people inhouse to be certain that nearly everyone who made it 5+ years at one firm had a partner or senior associate that both coached them up and did a bunch of internal marketing for them. In that sense biglaw is not really that different from other workplaces except it has this preposterous meritocracy mythology that completely overlooks this obviously central factor. It’s very weird to me that still to this day it’s not CW to go to a worse firm if eg you’re coming from a higher ranked lol school than they typically get and will treat you like you’re supposed to be a superstar when you’re a first year.v (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#49041779) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:35 AM Author: tan center indirect expression Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2...id.#48956178) |