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ITT: your pro wrestling mt. rushmore
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:10 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard The Rock
Stone Cold Steve Austin
Roman Reigns
Hulk Hogan (although as a child, I was an ultimate warrior mark moreso than a hulkamaniac) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:11 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) "Roman Reigns"
get the fuck outta here |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:54 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard WWE became a 10 billion dollar sports entertainment juggernaut on Roman's back. He's THE GUY. Like it or love it or hate it, but you gotta respect it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237129) |
Date: October 24th, 2024 7:14 PM Author: seal Vince Stone cold Macho man Jerry Lawler “Rowdy” Roddy Piper |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:15 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard you're from memphis or an andy kaufman mark? jerry lawler kind of random (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236773) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:17 PM Author: seal He changed the industry and isn't given his due credit
There were many people from different backgrounds on Mt rushmore |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:20 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard I know Jerry Lawler moreso as an announcer and as the king of Memphis wrestling and his whole feud with andy kaufman. I don't know how influential he was outside of that, but, I wasn't alive during his heyday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236782) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:22 PM Author: seal His work as announcer was like turning the knob from 10 to 11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236786) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:55 PM Author: michael doodikoff he and Jim Ross were the best commentating duo in any sport or entertainment entity of all time. They were just the best. Lawler was utterly hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237138) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:29 PM Author: An 8-INT Orc AA'ing their way into mage school Lawler is a legend in wrestling. But if we are going with a top 4 I would exclude him (and a bunch of others) because they never truly carried a promotion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237041) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:35 PM Author: seal attitude era doesnt exist if he wasnt there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237068) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:21 PM Author: Pumonymous Kamala Harris needs to be on there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236783) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:24 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard jobbed out to hulk hogan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236791) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:30 PM Author: McBuzzsaw Ric Flair Hulk Hogan Stone Cold Andre the Giant |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: t14 Sable Torrie Wilson Aliyah Roxanne Perez
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Date: October 24th, 2024 7:38 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard roxane perez is a giant -- but sable was unghhhh^unghhh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236836) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:52 PM Author: t14 Katana Chance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237117) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:56 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard I'm a nikita lyons man myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237139) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:16 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo Thesz Flair Hogan Austin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48236996) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) Flair, Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock
there is no room whatsoever for debate on these four.
if you want to make top 10 list, there are 20-30 guys who could all make a legitimate case for one of the 5-10 spots. but those top 4 are clearly on a different level from the others. go down to the next tier and it's much harder because ranking guys like sting, foley, taker, hitman, razor, warrior, hbk, macho, etc. is a lot more subjective. |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:42 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard flair is debatable -- he's the only pure heel in the list, flair might be the greatest heel of all time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237086) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:58 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) what is the debate? he was massively over as a face and a heel, wrestled for 40 years as a main-eventer, great worker, great on the mic, 15 times the world champion, put people over and made stars time and time again without losing an ounce of heat. No matter how badly he was booked, all he had to do was get coked up and scream "I'M RIC FLAIR" and start rifling gucci loafers into the crowd and he was instantly back on top of the card.
In fact, if I'm picking my #1 of those four guys, it's Flair all the way because he's the only one that was unselfish and gave back more to the business than he got from it. The other three were all dependent on superman booking to some extent, but Flair was more talented and has by far the longest run and best body of work. |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:01 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard he did most of his work in Hulk Hogan's shadow. He wasn't even the face of wCw. sting and Bill (((Goldberg))), Hogan, Nash et al were all key players in the rise of wcw. Flair and Dusty in the NWA is legendary, but I'm not sure its enough to vault him to #1 all time. I respect it though. He was before my time and during my time he wasn't THE GUY. THE GUYS in my time were Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock, John cena, and now Roman Reigns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237165) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo my brother in Christ the "rise of WCW" occurred long before 1994 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237168) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:05 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard how would you define "the rise" .. to me wcw wasn't a player until bash at the beach when hogan turned heel and formed the nWo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237186) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:08 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo I guess there is debate over where Jim Crockett Promotions ends and NWA and WCW all start and end but for me the prime WCW era was like 1989-1990 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237201) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:13 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) sting was literally flair's hand-picked guy and flair single-handedly made him a star. go watch clash of the champions.
what are you talking about with the "rise of wcw"? all of those guys were from a period of 2-3 years and wcw went out of business soon after that. flair was the face of the company for the vast majority of its existence. |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:15 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard WCW was to the WWF what AEW is to WWE today, they were running taped shows out of universal studios orlando and flair was hopping back and forth between WWF and WCW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237224) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:21 PM Author: peeface Hogan Andre Piper Vince
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:26 PM Author: Alien vs Predator vs Brown vs Board of Education This is my personal list.
Will Osprey: best of the modern era Shawn Michaels: portfolio of great matches speaks for itself Rob Van Dam: one of the most innovative ever and still influential today Trish Stratus: first person I ever masturbated to
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:31 PM Author: McBuzzsaw 180 selection criteria. could translate perfectly to the actual mt. rushmore:
Jefferson: best of the modern era
Washington: portfolio of great matches speaks for itself
Lincoln: one of the most innovative ever and still influential today
Roosevelt: first person I ever masturbated to |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:34 PM Author: Alien vs Predator vs Brown vs Board of Education (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237066) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:51 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard Roman Reigns is THE GUY of the modern era (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237112) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:01 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) "of the modern era" is a huge qualifier (and also a disqualifier when considering him for any all-time slot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237163) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:04 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard modern era = greatest heights pro wrestling has EVER seen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237179) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:05 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo the ratings today for Raw and Smackdown are 1/6 of what they were in the Attitude era (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237188) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:09 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard nielsen ratings aren't an accurate measure, WWE's youtube channel has a 110 million subscribers, WWE merged with UFC with a valuation of 10 billion dollars. Netflix just signed a 5 billion dollar deal with them to have the rights to raw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237204) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:11 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo Netflix horribly overpaid. but you have good points. I just don't feel like wrestling occupies the cultural status it had in the Monday Night Wars era, when Dennis Rodman was flying out to be on Nitro in the middle of the NBA Finals, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237211) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:17 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard that's because there's no longer a mono-culture, where all media is interconnected and the tonight show is pulling in 10.0 nightly ratings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237229) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:17 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) it's nowhere close. in high school, lots of kids were wearing stone cold, NWO, and DX shirts. We were doing rock bottoms, peoples elbows, and stunners to each other during football practice. Highly doubt it's socially acceptable today to show up to school in a roman reigns t-shirt and anyone who does is probably in some weird clique, not the mainstream jocks and cool kids like the 90s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237230) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:18 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard Roman Reigns has a Nike (Jordan) deal. Bad Bunny has wrestled full matches. Culture in general is grossly different now a days, kids are too busy being trans or fags, idk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237234) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:40 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) Will Ospreay is the GOAT worker and it isn't even close.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585726&forum_id=2#48026723
There has NEVER been someone who dominated his era by such a wide margin in terms of match quality. Nobody else with even half as big of a gap.
But he would not be credible against Hogan, Austin, Rock, or Flair, so you can't put him on Mount Rushmore. |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:51 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard will osprey hasn't drawn a dime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237113) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) what does that have to do with whether he can work? workers usually don't draw. even hitman and hbk didn't draw money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237169) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:06 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo thank you, finally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237190) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:50 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard gtfoh with will osprey and that flippy shit , he's a white ricochet .. Bryan Danielson and Seth Rollins are both better workers than osprey imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237109) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:00 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) go watch the match where ospreay wrestled bryan and carried him to the best match of his life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237157) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo you apparently need to watch a few more bryan matches (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237174) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:06 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard I'm not the biggest fan of Osprey's in ring style, but, tbf, I'm only familiar with select AEW matches of his, and the most recent was a pretty lame match imo with Ricochet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237195) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:27 PM Author: An 8-INT Orc AA'ing their way into mage school If wrestlers only,
Hulk Hogan The Rock Stone Cold Steve Austin John Cena |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:33 PM Author: Voodoo Child Easy three: Flair, Hogan, Austin
The last one is tough. I'd give it to the Rock, but you can also make the case for Sammartino, Andre, Dusty, or the Undertaker.
If we loosen up the standards, the fourth one could be Vince.
Guys like Bret, Shawn, Savage, HHH, etc. are legends, but not Mt. Rushmore-caliber. |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:52 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard In ring performers only -- vince would be a benjamin franklin type figure when it comes to pro wrestling... its all very subjective, but I'm basing my Mt. Rushmore on drawing power (minus ultimate warrior, that spot really should be hulk hogan and I'll change that right now) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237120) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:53 PM Author: xD came ITT to bash anyone who doesn't have Vince on their list (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237123) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:54 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard vince is the GOAT POTUS promoter and no one comes close, but he wasn't an in ring performer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237130) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:58 PM Author: michael doodikoff hes actually one of the best heels of all time. and he can be fucking hilarious too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237146) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:45 PM Author: seal The wrestling in the ring is such a small part of wrestling that it's hilarious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237338) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:53 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, Flair Hogan Austin HBK |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:55 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard seeing lots of flair, he was 180 and of course had mainstream appeal, but he never transcended like Hogan, Austin, and Rock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237137) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 8:59 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo disagree
and I love the Rock, especially his recent work, but he's terribly overrated in this thread and in general. at least Undertaker, Sting, Shawn, and Bret are in front of him. could even make an argument for HHH or Cena |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:00 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, Cr. Without flair, there's no Hogan, Austin, Rock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237159) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard you're talking about in ring work? same people that shit on rock shit on hogan with their work rate BS. Rocky sells his ass off 'till this day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237173) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:04 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo Hogan was a pretty terrible in-ring performer and an absolute cancer outside the ring but it's obviously undeniable that he's on Mt. Rushmore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237181) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:08 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard have you seen the clips of him in Japan? he could actually work, he was just an asshole who refused to put anyone over ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237198) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:09 PM Author: Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo yes, love the Japan clips. makes me even angrier how shitty he was in the US (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237203) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:28 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) that's something common to rock and stone cold. both great sellers. also both great at throwing a punch and just making basic moves in general look believable. and generally speaking, i'd rather watch jacked, charismatic dudes have a believable fight than see some flippy shit.
that also explains part of why i like ospreay. he has more intensity and is more believable than the other flippy wrestlers. and he's also been helped by other great workers like omega who can sell his moves so well that they look career threatening. it really makes a match when you can have a finish like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pvMtXjVXDs |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:30 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard ngl, that was 180, but omega did the heavy lifting there not literally but in taking and selling that finisher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237276) |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:44 PM Author: Bill (((Goldberg))) can you concede that it's pretty disrespectful and inaccurate to call ospreay a "white ricochet"? both ospreay and omega wrestle their matches like legit athletic contests and have movesets that look like they are inflicting actual injury on the opponent. ricochet is just a circus acrobat. there is really no comparing the style and psychology.
and yeah, ospreay needs omega to do that move, but somehow ospreay does tons of dangerous looking shit to tons of people and manages not to hurt them, to the point that it's so convincing that they can run injury angles off of it (like with bryan). |
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Date: October 24th, 2024 9:47 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard yeah, I'll walk that back. I'll watch more AEW, that entire roster can go, but, they're sorely missing in the character and story development and I can't stand the young bucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5617611&forum_id=2...id.#48237344) |