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Explain "Roguelike" game genre

You're supposed to play through multiple times and keep dyin...
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRioOpF5sw
Rambunctious Son Of Senegal
  10/16/22
it's like diablo/PoE style games but you actually get to mak...
Slap-happy Fiercely-loyal Fanboi Mental Disorder
  10/16/22
Apparently Nethack has been proposed as an AI target. htt...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
I just started playing nethack the other day, it's brutal, e...
Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
You never know!
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
neckbeards
violent casino
  10/16/22
I also had never encountered this term until a few years ago...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
niggerlike
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
You could be an old time pirate or an Englishman in the time...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
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Supple state
  07/04/25
It's a procedurally generated dungeon crawler with permadeat...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
How is that different from Ultima?
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
how do you "beat" them? or do you just play endles...
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
The old wizardry games let you import your stats across rele...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
Most people never will. They're insanely difficult due to th...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
Roguelikes value gameplay above all.
Marvelous Pervert
  10/16/22
Yes, but with each playthrough you get stronger via better w...
odious voyeur boistinker
  10/16/22
i tried binding of issac and i didnt know wtf i was doing an...
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
Play Hades now. It's a 9/10 type of game
odious voyeur boistinker
  10/16/22
better than dead cells? heard a lot about both
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
Hades is a little better, but Dead Cells is near the top.
Sepia boyish stain
  10/16/22
Hades is 180. Have you tried Returnal?
Marvelous Pervert
  10/16/22
Hades doesn’t get easier imo afaik Iirc
Abnormal multi-colored space cuck
  10/16/22
It does. Once you unlock enough shit it becomes a joke.
Sepia boyish stain
  10/16/22
persistent unlocks/stat growths are not an element of the ro...
Sepia boyish stain
  10/16/22
They're roguelite
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
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Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
The question becomes whether one considers roguelites to be ...
Sepia boyish stain
  10/16/22
I don't like the term "roguelite" because it basic...
Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
I think it's useful to describe stuff like Fatal Labyrinth.
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
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Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
RogueLIKE = Like Rogue, play a single life until you beat th...
ultramarine property knife
  10/16/22
Roguelike sounds like every old school rpg. There was never ...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
Rogue (and roguelikes) was what would now be called an "...
ultramarine property knife
  10/16/22
Ok that sounds neat but it also doesn't sound like any game ...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
They’re extremely tedious and hard but insipid Losers ...
Abnormal multi-colored space cuck
  10/16/22
i want to be a Loser
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
I'm on year 9 of my Football Manager 2022 career so i don't ...
vermilion idiotic pozpig
  10/16/22
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Slap-happy Fiercely-loyal Fanboi Mental Disorder
  10/16/22
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cracking aqua menage circlehead
  10/16/22
Can they be turn based or do they require an arcade componen...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
They are traditionally turn based. Diablo is not a roguelike...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
How is "procedurally generated" different from &qu...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
Roguelikes / ROGUE are based on AD&D play mechanics. The...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
Ok I just realized "Rogue" is older than Wizardry....
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
It's like FPS games used to be called "DooM clones"...
Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
"Doom clone" was never used to refer to the genre;...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
Obviously I wasn't alive to see it in person, but I beg to d...
Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
I used to play Pixel Dungeon on my phone But then once I ...
big out-of-control set giraffe
  10/16/22
Obligatory: https://www.vildravn.net/posts/roguelike_chart....
Insanely creepy public bath dragon
  10/16/22
...
Mint Hall
  10/16/22
Makes sense. Also I feel good about not having ever a played...
Razzmatazz dopamine mother
  10/16/22
risk of rain 2 is fucking 180
Curious copper institution marketing idea
  10/17/22


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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

You're supposed to play through multiple times and keep dying but eventually you beat it or something? I don't understand, seems tedious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341712)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:53 PM
Author: Rambunctious Son Of Senegal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRioOpF5sw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341732)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:53 PM
Author: Slap-happy Fiercely-loyal Fanboi Mental Disorder

it's like diablo/PoE style games but you actually get to make meaingful decisions instead of just mindlessly aoe'ing down AI bots for hours

i don't play those games but they seem alright if you're into the single player exploration type games

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341737)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: Mint Hall

Apparently Nethack has been proposed as an AI target.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.11889

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341738)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:51 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon

I just started playing nethack the other day, it's brutal, especially unspoilered. Tbh I never expect to ascend because I'm unspoilered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341957)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:55 PM
Author: Mint Hall

You never know!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341972)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: violent casino

neckbeards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341740)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

I also had never encountered this term until a few years ago. I imagine it being a game where you play like a rogue. Breaking the law, assaulting people, taking their money etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341743)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:55 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

niggerlike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341744)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:56 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

You could be an old time pirate or an Englishman in the time of Robin Hood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341752)



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Date: July 4th, 2025 4:19 PM
Author: Supple state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#49072276)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:55 PM
Author: Mint Hall

It's a procedurally generated dungeon crawler with permadeath in the fashion of the old game ROGUE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341746)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

How is that different from Ultima?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341755)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

how do you "beat" them? or do you just play endlessly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341757)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

The old wizardry games let you import your stats across releases but you were never overpowered. One series I forget let you build your whole crew of specialists, and any that didn't die by the end could be ported over. It was a 180 incentive to defeat the demon or whatever was the main issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341776)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:02 PM
Author: Mint Hall

Most people never will. They're insanely difficult due to the randomness and permadeath. But there are winning conditions — like in nethack you ascend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341791)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:58 PM
Author: Marvelous Pervert

Roguelikes value gameplay above all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341762)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:58 PM
Author: odious voyeur boistinker

Yes, but with each playthrough you get stronger via better weapons or abilities so that each subsequent playthrough is a little easier than the last. Some games do it way better than others. Hades and Dead Cells are great games for people with limited time, e.g, parents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341767)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 5:59 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

i tried binding of issac and i didnt know wtf i was doing and died almost immediately

i don't think i even got any power ups

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341770)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: odious voyeur boistinker

Play Hades now. It's a 9/10 type of game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341775)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

better than dead cells? heard a lot about both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341792)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:34 PM
Author: Sepia boyish stain

Hades is a little better, but Dead Cells is near the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341908)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: Marvelous Pervert

Hades is 180. Have you tried Returnal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341784)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:04 PM
Author: Abnormal multi-colored space cuck

Hades doesn’t get easier imo afaik Iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341797)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:14 PM
Author: Sepia boyish stain

It does. Once you unlock enough shit it becomes a joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341853)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:13 PM
Author: Sepia boyish stain

persistent unlocks/stat growths are not an element of the roguelike genre. some roguelike games have it, but many do not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341847)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:28 PM
Author: Mint Hall

They're roguelite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341892)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:54 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341969)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:02 PM
Author: Sepia boyish stain

The question becomes whether one considers roguelites to be an entirely separate genre from roguelikes, or whether they are a roguelike subgenre. I fall pretty strongly in the subgenre camp because these games all have common origins. I'd call them all "roguelikes" and then split roguelikes into "true roguelikes" and "roguelites."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341998)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:03 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon

I don't like the term "roguelite" because it basically means "anything the developers call a roguelike but is nothing like a roguelike except you die a lot." See chart linked below.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342006)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:13 PM
Author: Mint Hall

I think it's useful to describe stuff like Fatal Labyrinth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342075)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:53 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341967)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: ultramarine property knife

RogueLIKE = Like Rogue, play a single life until you beat the game or die. If you die you lose all progress and must start again on a new character. Runs often have large procedurally generated components. For example, you may pick up an "orange potion" on one run and the only way to find out what it does is to drink it. Then you know what "orange potion" does on that run. But next run "orange potion" might do something different.

RogueLITE = Play until you beat it or die. Playthroughs unlock additional content for future runs (e.g., more health, new powers, new items, shortcuts, etc.). Even if you're bad at the game you can eventually grind your way to victory. This persistent progress augments the procedurally generated aspects of the game so that you feel a sense of accomplishment even when you lose a run.

There are very few roguelikes these days. Lots of roguelites.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341782)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:06 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

Roguelike sounds like every old school rpg. There was never a single one where you could get killed and get reborn with all your progress. The most you could ever do was load a saved game. Games that let you die over and over and over again didn't even become a thing until everyone started getting "consoles." Old games gave you three lives, none gave you unlimited lives without putting in more quarters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341810)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM
Author: ultramarine property knife

Rogue (and roguelikes) was what would now be called an "ironman" game. You can't save and reload later. This is vastly different from a traditional JRPG where dying only costs you progress from your last save point. Of course save points are one of the things that enable 8+ hour story-driven games. A complete run of a roguelike might be 30-120 minutes. Some modern roguelikes (e.g., Noita) may have iterations of runs that are longer (~6 hours) but they allow you to save and quit out so you can play over multiple sessions (but can never reload an old save after dying).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341859)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:24 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

Ok that sounds neat but it also doesn't sound like any game I've ever played.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341877)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: Abnormal multi-colored space cuck

They’re extremely tedious and hard but insipid Losers and Winners who excel at video games wear by them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341794)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:05 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

i want to be a Loser

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341805)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:06 PM
Author: vermilion idiotic pozpig

I'm on year 9 of my Football Manager 2022 career so i don't mind a tedious game btw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341809)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:10 PM
Author: Slap-happy Fiercely-loyal Fanboi Mental Disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341823)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM
Author: cracking aqua menage circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341860)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:10 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

Can they be turn based or do they require an arcade component?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341825)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:11 PM
Author: Mint Hall

They are traditionally turn based. Diablo is not a roguelike, it's an action rpg.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341831)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:15 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

How is "procedurally generated" different from "randomly generated?" The original tabletop games were all about rolling dice with different numbers of facets. A guy with a book was generating the story as the players went along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341855)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:16 PM
Author: Mint Hall

Roguelikes / ROGUE are based on AD&D play mechanics. They and other RPG's have a common ancestor. But Diablo is not turn based. It's an action RPG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341861)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:23 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

Ok I just realized "Rogue" is older than Wizardry. Lmao, they are same games that used to be called RPGs. I guess they didn't want to call them that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341876)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:02 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon

It's like FPS games used to be called "DooM clones". """They""" don't want to call them RPGs because RPG is incredibly vague. If you want the autistic and precise answer on what a roguelike is, check here:

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation

non-modality is very important imo. Eg in Fallout, there's a "combat" sequence, where you go into a different mode to fight turnbased. In roguelikes, all actions you can make with your equipment/skills are available *at all times,* ostensibly leading to more dynamic and innovative possible solutions for the player.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342001)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:06 PM
Author: Mint Hall

"Doom clone" was never used to refer to the genre; rather, there was not much of a notion of genre. But recall that Wolfenstein was a huge hit and preceded Doom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342019)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:07 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon

Obviously I wasn't alive to see it in person, but I beg to differ:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/6/64/Doom_clone_vs_first_person_shooter.png/revision/latest?cb=20050205003326

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342029)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:13 PM
Author: big out-of-control set giraffe

I used to play Pixel Dungeon on my phone

But then once I had a run where I did massively better than all previous runs. I put it on pause and I was essentially too afraid of restarting and dying that I never did and just quit the game lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341845)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 6:53 PM
Author: Insanely creepy public bath dragon

Obligatory:

https://www.vildravn.net/posts/roguelike_chart.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45341966)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:11 PM
Author: Mint Hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342052)



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Date: October 16th, 2022 7:50 PM
Author: Razzmatazz dopamine mother

Makes sense. Also I feel good about not having ever a played a single game listed there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45342344)



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Date: October 17th, 2022 3:24 PM
Author: Curious copper institution marketing idea

risk of rain 2 is fucking 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5213806&forum_id=2...id.#45345803)