Date: May 24th, 2023 6:02 PM Author: bearded fat ankles
Outbreaks of smallpox (1817, 1848) and cholera (1849) took a major toll on the Comanche, whose population dropped from an estimated 20,000 in the late 18th century to just a few thousand by the 1870s.
Agreed but indians regularly ran entire herds off a cliff then just took the backstrap off a few of them and left the rest to rot, they just didnt have the capacity to wipe them out like they did to dozens of other species of megafauna
While Indians had uses for every part of the buffalo, their practice of slaughtering whole herds, at a buffalo jump or in an enclosure, sometimes produced more carcasses than a group could possibly use. As a result, waste occurred. He documents instances of Indians leaving animals to rot, utilising only the cows, or taking only the tongues and the humps. However, the overkilling did not cause the extermination of the species, which only came after non-Indians and Metis hunted them commercially for fresh meat, pemmican and hides.
Krech proposes two 'religious' reasons for the earlier over-killing. It was believed (by the Piegan and Cree) that any buffalo that escaped while being rounded up in the hunt would warn other buffalo, who would then avoid hunters, so that it was necessary to chase and kill these escapees, whether they were needed or not. Other Indians (specifically the Cheyenne and Arapaho) believed that when hunters were unable to find buffalo it was because the animals had retreated to a land underneath a large lake, from which they would eventually reappear in endless numbers. Krech concludes that, given these beliefs, the Indians did not see overhunting as a cause of any shortage of animals or the need to conserve.
Date: May 24th, 2023 6:16 PM Author: bearded fat ankles
ty. limited examples of over-killing or waste is hardly comparable to systematic extermination of 60,000,000. the extermination of other megafauna is an unsubstantiated theory
Date: May 24th, 2023 6:18 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
the only reason why indians didn't overhunt all the buffalo to extinction before white people got there is because they weren't competent and capable enough to do so
Wasn't limited at all, there are buffalo jump sites all over the US & canada
The idea that Indians lived in some pristine environment is flame anyway, rhe great plains only exists because they constantly burned it, the Amazon rainforest only exists because disease killed them off, millions of sedentary people used to live there
Date: May 24th, 2023 6:17 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
cr the made up white lib bullshit about indians become some kind of "ecological stewards" is one of the most ridiculous made up lib lies out of all of them
like even when i was still a kid and believed in most of the lib bullshit, i could tell this was a bizarre lie. why would these primitive savage low IQ people have a value system based on multiple layers of abstraction that are able to infer that it's in their best long-term interest to artificially limit their hunting and gathering of resources, based on abstract extrapolations of hypothetical states far in the future? like these people had that, but they didn't have written language? yeah okay lmao
the whole thing is just goddamn absurd and a testament to white people being desperate and willing to believe any positive thing about brown people whatsoever in order to feel less psychologically uncomfortable about their inferiority
I grew up near a reservation, the idea that these people who littered everywhere and lived in squalor were some kind of stewards of the land was always insane. we got to watch them indiscriminately net fish & then complain about declining salmon runs
I grew up in the South and frequently saw how littered black areas could be. Nothing compared to the litter on reservations. Whether in the Mountain West or Southwest.
Date: May 24th, 2023 6:39 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
yep a lot of my family lives around or even on rezzes in the midwest. indians are the worst race of people on earth, along with turd indians and blacks. really awful people in every way
the real redpill on indians is that european settlers were based and correct in exterminating them
William T. Sherman was a 180 general and I'm all for what he did to the South, but he was largely responsible for the buffalo's near extinction. It was a deliberate campaign on his part to starve the Indians out to ease westward expansion. Fuck him for doing that.
Date: May 24th, 2023 6:09 PM Author: bearded fat ankles
"Outbreaks of smallpox (1817, 1848) and cholera (1849) took a major toll on the Comanche, whose population dropped from an estimated 20,000 in the late 18th century to just a few thousand by the 1870s."
so sherman's "logic" was 60 million buffalo had to be killed because there were a few thousand comanche
Indians were buckwild and completely dependent on the Buffalo to survive. Of course the buffalos had to go. If you want to be irate about that, then blame the Indians they forced this situation.
Date: May 24th, 2023 7:11 PM Author: bearded fat ankles
There were just a couple thousand of them, put on your big boy pants and deal with it the normal way instead of massacring 60,000,000 Buffalo
“Outbreaks of smallpox (1817, 1848) and cholera (1849) took a major toll on the Comanche, whose population dropped from an estimated 20,000 in the late 18th century to just a few thousand by the 1870s.”
Date: May 24th, 2023 7:19 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
lol do you also think that there are only a "couple thousand" indians alive today? how does this statement make any sense? there were tons of indians still around in the 1800s of course, and they were killing and fucking up white settlers all over the place
consider the hypo of if we could get rid of all the spics currently in this country by hunting deer to extinction. i wouldn't hesitate to kill every last deer in north america, no question. talk about a small price to pay for getting rid of an existential menace
Date: May 24th, 2023 7:30 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
is this whole thread some kind of elaborate flame? there were hundreds of thousands of indians alive and kicking in the second half of the 1800s. european settlers & military fought against them all the time. just google it wtf this is not some kind of forbidden thought criminal knowledge
Both things are bad, the anglo saxon fears nature, they denuded all of britain and wiped out almost every species there, its in their nature. only true forest people like the finns live in harmony with nature, raising reindeer
Date: May 24th, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
i don't think that's even true. there definitely wasn't any kind of US army program to exterminate buffalo, that's total flame. shitlib wikipedia even confirms:
"Displacement of the Plains Indians was facilitated by the growth of the railroads and the eradication of the bison. Sherman believed that bison eradication should be encouraged as a means of weakening Indian resistance to assimilation. He voiced this view in remarks to a joint session of the Texas legislature in 1875, although the U.S. Army under Sherman's command never conducted its own program of bison extermination."
the bison were ridiculously easy to hunt and kill so everybody indiscriminately killed them, including the indians, even moreso once they got guns from white people. the buffalo were pretty much fucked from the start. humans in a malthusian environment are either gonna find a way to domesticate megafauna or they will get hunted to extinction
Date: May 24th, 2023 8:01 PM Author: bearded fat ankles
it’s right in the first link in the op
Government involvement
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The US Army sanctioned and actively endorsed the wholesale slaughter of bison herds.[76] The federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, primarily to pressure the native people onto the Indian reservations during times of conflict by removing their main food source.[77][78] Without the bison, native people of the plains were often forced to leave the land or starve to death. One of the biggest advocates of this strategy was General William Tecumseh Sherman. On June 26, 1869, the Army Navy Journal reported: "General Sherman remarked, in conversation the other day, that the quickest way to compel the Indians to settle down to civilized life was to send ten regiments of soldiers to the plains, with orders to shoot buffaloes until they became too scarce to support the redskins."[79]
Similarly, Lieutenant General John M. Schofield would write in is memoirs: "With my cavalry and carbined artillery encamped in front, I wanted no other occupation in life than to ward off the savage and kill off his food until there should no longer be an Indian frontier in our beautiful country."[80] Later, president Ulysses S. Grant vetoed the act of congress HR 921, which would have implemented protections against white overhunting of buffalo.[81] Prior to this, Secretary of the Interior, Columbus Delano, had stated the following regarding complaints about whites hunting buffalo on native reservations:[82]
"While I would not seriously regret the total disappearance of the buffalo from our western prairies, in its effect on the Indians, regarding it rather as a means of hastening their sense of dependence upon the products of the soil and their own labors, yet these encroachments by the whites upon the reservations set apart for the exclusive occupancy of the Indian is one prolific source of trouble in the management of the reservation Indians, and measures should be adopted to prevent such trespasses in the future, or very serious collisions may be the result."
Demonstrating clearly that he saw white poaching of bison as a problem only because it may lead to retaliations from the Indians, and on the contrary, that he saw the extermination of the buffalo as potentially beneficial in the forced assimilation of Indians.
According to Professor David Smits: "Frustrated bluecoats, unable to deliver a punishing blow to the so-called 'Hostiles', unless they were immobilized in their winter camps, could, however, strike at a more accessible target, namely, the buffalo. That tactic also made curious sense, for in soldiers' minds the buffalo and the Plains Indian were virtually inseparable."[79]
Date: May 24th, 2023 8:14 PM Author: Adult Friendship Finder
this (correctly) explains that the US government encouraged the killing of buffalo by whites in order to displace indians, not that they went around doing it themselves
it was a general tactic used by whites to hurt the indians, not some kind of holocaust-tier master plan to genocide the buffalo
That's only the Comanche pal. And destroying the enemy's food source is the normal way of dealing with them. This only recently became something armies don't (officially) do. HTH.
Date: May 24th, 2023 9:10 PM Author: nofapping bright stage
The buffalo population surged massively after Indians died out following first contact with Europeans. 95% of the Indians in America died off from small pox etc. and the buffalo populations increased hugely due to lacking their hunters. (Indians had long previously killed off most of the megafauna that predated on buffalo).
Date: May 25th, 2023 12:25 PM Author: Topaz diverse haunted graveyard
"From a natural level of 60 million in America, the bison population had been reduced by human activity to just 1,000 by the 1890s, and in 1904 160 of these animals lived within Corbin Park."