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5-10 years... "biglawyers" = lamplighters out of work
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Date: July 18th, 2025 4:16 AM Author: Apoplectic Demanding Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111109) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 4:23 AM Author: Black Duck-like Lettuce Milk God willing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111113) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 4:53 AM Author: Apoplectic Demanding Senate Inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111128) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49112809) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:49 PM Author: Apoplectic Demanding Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113496) |
Date: July 18th, 2025 4:53 AM Author: wonderful theatre nickel endimed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111131) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 6:33 AM Author: lime dashing doctorate What happens next though?
Clearly we still have lawyers and law firms, but perhaps the firm headcount drops to 10% the current headcount, and AI/software picks up the slack.
In that world, is the firm owned by just a handful of partners? Do law firms start to act like lean software companies? When does a U.S. firm IPO?
The counterpoint btw is that we just do a lot more work that was prohibitively expensive before. For example, I probably see 25+ cease and desist letters for every lawsuit, because letters cost $5-10k and lawsuits cost $100k to initiate and $5M+ to litigate through summary judgment. If cost of litigation drops [80%] people may file many more lawsuits. There could be an analogous dynamic on the corporate/business side. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:00 AM Author: Glittery zippy tank Interesting point. Here in shitlaw, I have people calling me virtually every day because their "friend" cheated them out of $300 or something. I tell them it doesn't make financial sense to pursue that and they start crying. There's a big untapped market out there for adjudicating squabbles among proles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111342) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:28 AM Author: supple yarmulke deer antler What is the bulk of your business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111384) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:43 AM Author: Glittery zippy tank The single biggest area is rural real estate law. Evictions, construction disputes, zoning issues. Tons of lawsuits over exactly who owns some piece of land, often with a rotting mobile home sitting on it. Average client expenditure is about $3000, but that varies wildly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111405) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:54 AM Author: slimy twinkling uncleanness lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111430) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:15 AM Author: supple yarmulke deer antler 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111461) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:10 AM Author: Exhilarant spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113902) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:19 AM Author: boyish gaping church prole squabbles, llp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111464) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Adulterous national keepsake machete UBI is a must and these gains in income (from LLM technologies)for the technologists or corporations replacing people with chatbots needs to be scrutinized and tracked ASAP to start determining the amount owed to the american citizenry it's critical |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:50 PM Author: Apoplectic Demanding Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113498) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:56 PM Author: Aromatic amethyst friendly grandma how about we just have billionaires who "lord" over us and poors who you could say serve or maybe "serf" them and then anyone who doesn't go along with this gets to die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113524) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:47 AM Author: dun racy locus scourge upon the earth Don't count on a 10 year horizon. Get your retirement money as soon as you fucking can (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111417) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:50 PM Author: Apoplectic Demanding Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113499) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: Bipolar hall I’ve used Lexis and westlaw’s AI. Still not impressed. It helps, it certainly makes us more productive, but major reductions in headcount? Also, everyone keeps saying wait another year. But we’re a couple of years in and the capabilities (at least as applied to law) seem about the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111420) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:57 AM Author: useless lavender wrinkle travel guidebook I'm not sure what sort of tools biglaw is using, but AI capabilities have skyrocketed over the past two years and there's no reason that wouldn't apply to law if it applies subjects that are at least as complex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111435) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:33 AM Author: 180 ocher gunner It’s pretty crap right now and often in law there’s no objectively correct answer unlike coding or whatever. Here’s a better explanation why law is harder to master for AI than coding.
Coding is governed by strict syntax and deterministic rules. A given input in a programming language will always produce the same output if the code is correct. • Legal analysis involves ambiguous language, conflicting authorities, policy tradeoffs, and context-sensitive reasoning—skills that require human judgment and real-world understanding.
AI has been trained on massive open-source code repositories like GitHub, with clear labels, documentation, and results. This data is abundant, consistent, and high-quality. • Legal data is more fragmented: • Case law is often behind paywalls. • Court decisions may be long, inconsistent, or involve complex procedural postures. • Outcomes are not always “correct” or universally agreed upon.
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:34 AM Author: useless lavender wrinkle travel guidebook Yeah I think this is horseshit cope tbh. Models like o3 pro can absolutely handle textual nuance and complex questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111500) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:44 AM Author: 180 ocher gunner It pushes out shit legal work product riddled with hallucinations or misstatements of the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111526) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 11:24 AM Author: 180 ocher gunner Also, the law isn’t just pure logic or even complex logic, unlike coding, there’s no single correct answer to the important questions that get litigated, the legal background is often contradictory and nuanced so you can’t just train it easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111634) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 12:04 PM Author: 180 ocher gunner Coping fag hello (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111710) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 12:10 PM Author: useless lavender wrinkle travel guidebook You're just wrong about AI capabilities and AI's ability to generate responses when there isn't an objectively correct answer, there isn't much else to say. If anything law being subjective bullshit will make it easier to automate. When I deal with ai skeptics these days I mostly just wait for reality to prove them wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111715) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: concupiscible nibblets temple Not only that but it basically only has to be good enough to replace paralegals and juniors to have an enormous impact, which it pretty much already has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49112807) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:23 AM Author: 180 ocher gunner Why don’t you explain why I’m wrong instead of saying “I’m just wrong” with no explanation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113912) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 7:26 AM Author: grizzly aphrodisiac old irish cottage dragon Just respond to chatgpt and ask it for the pro-legal AI argument to the answer it just gave you
(delete the em dash next time you retard) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: 180 ocher gunner Current reality supports the anti-AI argument. AI law products are pretty shit for any complex practice.
No doubt that people who rely on making money through teams of 20 paralegals filling out forms and doing rote tasks will change a lot but automating such repetitive thoughtless tasks is entirely different than writing a compelling brief based on nuanced and complex facts in an uncertain area of law.
It most likely will be similar to how word processing eliminated a lot of support positions. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:58 AM Author: big home trump supporter OP also thought Excel would eliminate accountants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111438) |
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Date: July 19th, 2025 1:33 AM Author: Irradiated gas station potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49113713) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: Jet-lagged plaza goal in life I wish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111468) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 12:24 PM Author: Sticky Public Bath Really Tough Guy Its barely any better than a google search was 6 years ago. Add on top that people using it are dumber. All AI is going to do is maybe help the few smart people left do stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751717&forum_id=2Reputation#49111741) |