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biglaw firms need to get their shit together re: en dashes and em dashes

I see even the most elite firms (literally Wachtell and Crav...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
Two hyphens for em dashes isn't that bad. It's just ugly.
Startled mauve circlehead
  03/19/18
it's despicable
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
Saw a guy get fired for this and straight up walked out befo...
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  03/19/18
lmfao that you're dealing with firms that aren't employing, ...
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  08/04/25
Trendash for life. What the fuck?
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  03/19/18
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Maroon Field
  03/19/18
This literally does not exist in the English language. I hav...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
(non-peer graduate; non-peer practitioner; non-peer farmers ...
territorial friendly grandma
  03/19/18
I'm open to hearing an explanation. But I consider myself a ...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
Check out Eats, Shoots, and Trendashes
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Hateful Property Stock Car
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boyish really tough guy
  03/19/18
Is this flame
Doobsian masturbator
  03/19/18
Square apostrophes are the worst. I mean, show a little effo...
Contagious jew
  03/19/18
Real pain in the ass in patent cases because you can’t just ...
self-absorbed feces range
  03/19/18
You know what is really fucking insane is when people point ...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
cr, huge patent prole tell
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  03/19/18
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  03/21/18
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Adventurous dun lay
  03/19/18
i correct every goddamn one. the founding fathers talked ab...
Sienna Rigpig
  03/22/18
Good job man. We’d be friends.
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  05/12/18
This is a little known fact: the CAFC shreds your brief if t...
Amber Double Fault Round Eye
  05/12/18
Btw, why can’t you use the replace function in patent cases?...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  05/12/18
It flips them all so they curl away from the number.
Amber Double Fault Round Eye
  05/14/18
two hyphens all day, fuck trying to find the button for em b...
soul-stirring lavender office
  03/19/18
you can typically just use a voice command ime
territorial friendly grandma
  03/19/18
Using hyphens instead of en dashes to save a line when faced...
ungodly point
  03/19/18
Honestly the one situation where I have been tempted to use ...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
You could have avoided all this just by doing better in HS c...
Doobsian masturbator
  03/19/18
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territorial friendly grandma
  03/19/18
Most lawyers did just fine in HS math.
Startled mauve circlehead
  03/19/18
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a d...
Ocher Spectacular Brethren Mother
  03/19/18
Amateur! Increase the font scale setting to increase the ...
Startled mauve circlehead
  03/19/18
This is conscious rules flouting and robs you of your plausi...
abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse
  03/19/18
Very TTT. But who's going to check?
Startled mauve circlehead
  05/14/18
People who care about this are what make biglaw miserable, f...
soul-stirring lavender office
  03/19/18
"bake?" oh shit, I just proved your point. Bake me...
Adventurous dun lay
  03/19/18
Damn you're fast
soul-stirring lavender office
  03/19/18
That took several hours per my notebook of billables.
Adventurous dun lay
  03/19/18
...
soul-stirring lavender office
  03/19/18
Brother, clients pay $620 an hour for us to care about this ...
ungodly point
  03/19/18
Judge: Well, I was going to rule in defendant's favor, but t...
Ocher Spectacular Brethren Mother
  03/19/18
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soul-stirring lavender office
  03/19/18
nobody whose time has any value gives one solitary fuck abou...
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  03/19/18
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killself
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  03/20/18
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Swashbuckling mildly autistic library
  03/20/18
I see even the most elite firms -- literally Wachtell and C...
Excitant Internet-worthy Lodge
  03/20/18
This is — the credited criticism — so say I.
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  05/12/18
The SGs office is the last bastion of good writing in the pr...
Amber Double Fault Round Eye
  05/12/18
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  05/14/18


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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

I see even the most elite firms (literally Wachtell and Cravath and Kellog and other top places) file briefs using hyphens instead of en dashes and using en dashes or, god forbid, two hyphens for em dashes. get it together motherfuckers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641306)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: Startled mauve circlehead

Two hyphens for em dashes isn't that bad. It's just ugly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641398)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

it's despicable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641410)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: insanely creepy aquamarine indian lodge windowlicker

Saw a guy get fired for this and straight up walked out before he jumped off the roof

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641317)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma

lmfao that you're dealing with firms that aren't employing, at a minimum, the trendash. Point to fact, in times of great exigency, I've gone so far as to make use of a pentadash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641319)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Canary charismatic station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645246)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: buff abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35658763)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36050284)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#49155425)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: godawful fortuitous meteor

Trendash for life. What the fuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641323)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641327)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: Maroon Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641346)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

This literally does not exist in the English language. I have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641347)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma

(non-peer graduate; non-peer practitioner; non-peer farmers market goer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641352)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

I'm open to hearing an explanation. But I consider myself a punctuation hardliner and literally have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641383)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: Adventurous dun lay

Check out Eats, Shoots, and Trendashes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641427)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Hateful Property Stock Car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645264)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: Cracking french pit jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641354)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:08 PM
Author: Cerebral public bath keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641366)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: Hateful Property Stock Car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641386)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: boyish really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641406)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Doobsian masturbator

Is this flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641326)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Contagious jew

Square apostrophes are the worst. I mean, show a little effort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641333)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: self-absorbed feces range

Real pain in the ass in patent cases because you can’t just replace all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641407)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:16 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

You know what is really fucking insane is when people point the apostrophe the wrong way in patent cases. You see this all the time. Probably greater than 50% of the time, a biglaw firm will write about the 999 patent and have the apostrophe at the beginning pointing the wrong way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641435)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: glittery corner

cr, huge patent prole tell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641765)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35652523)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Adventurous dun lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641869)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: Sienna Rigpig

i correct every goddamn one. the founding fathers talked about patents in the goddamn constitution for fucks sake show a little respect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35658723)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:01 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

Good job man. We’d be friends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36038907)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Amber Double Fault Round Eye

This is a little known fact: the CAFC shreds your brief if they see a straight or backwards quote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36038931)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

Btw, why can’t you use the replace function in patent cases??? I’d like an explanation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36038946)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Amber Double Fault Round Eye

It flips them all so they curl away from the number.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36050278)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office

two hyphens all day, fuck trying to find the button for em bash all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641336)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma

you can typically just use a voice command ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641345)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: ungodly point

Using hyphens instead of en dashes to save a line when faced with a page limit: decadent or shrewd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641343)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

Honestly the one situation where I have been tempted to use a hyphen instead of an en dash (and, on occasion, have succumbed) is when faced with a strict word limit. If you use an en dash, Microsoft Word records the range as two words whereas it records a single word if you use a hyphen. But it is incorrect usage and I've always been tempted to call people out for violating the word count where they hit it exactly while employing 50 hyphens in the place of en dashes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641372)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: Doobsian masturbator

You could have avoided all this just by doing better in HS calculus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641379)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: territorial friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641390)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: Startled mauve circlehead

Most lawyers did just fine in HS math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641414)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: Ocher Spectacular Brethren Mother

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641395)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: Startled mauve circlehead

Amateur!

Increase the font scale setting to increase the hyphen to 300%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641430)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: abnormal ultramarine bawdyhouse

This is conscious rules flouting and robs you of your plausible deniability. Many jurisdictions, for example Delaware, now require briefs to be filed in Word format.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641456)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Startled mauve circlehead

Very TTT.

But who's going to check?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36050314)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office

People who care about this are what make biglaw miserable, fyi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641582)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: Adventurous dun lay

"bake?" oh shit, I just proved your point. Bake me away, toys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641586)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:36 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office

Damn you're fast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641601)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Adventurous dun lay

That took several hours per my notebook of billables.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641760)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641859)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:00 PM
Author: ungodly point

Brother, clients pay $620 an hour for us to care about this so we can maintain credibility and prestige with judges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641748)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Ocher Spectacular Brethren Mother

Judge: Well, I was going to rule in defendant's favor, but then I noticed inconsistent em-dashes. Summary judgment for the plaintiff!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641758)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641861)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender office

nobody whose time has any value gives one solitary fuck about this. its all dipshit mid level associates one upping each other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641868)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Ebony Parlour

*BEEP BEEP BEEP*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35641759)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: Wonderful buck-toothed yarmulke

killself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645224)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: crystalline aromatic orchestra pit newt

alt 0151

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645233)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: Swashbuckling mildly autistic library

transhyphenist non bigot here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645255)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Excitant Internet-worthy Lodge

I see even the most elite firms -- literally Wachtell and Cravath and Kellog and other top places -- file briefs using hyphens instead of en dashes and using en dashes or -- god forbid -- two hyphens for em dashes. get it together motherfuckers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#35645274)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: stimulating green casino

This is — the credited criticism — so say I.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36038917)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Amber Double Fault Round Eye

The SGs office is the last bastion of good writing in the profession. Their punctuation is always on point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36039460)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 7:39 PM
Author: Rose Crusty Philosopher-king Chapel

Worrying about this is the ultimate no book of business tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Reputation#36050530)