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AI is sentient

https://x.com/michaelaarouet/status/1929549577817919671?s=46
Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  06/02/25
AI is dumb as shit you retarded jewish pedophile
kink-friendly bearded home legend
  06/02/25
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bossy goyim boistinker
  06/02/25
with retards like this pumo (the one responding to the OP pu...
Light faggot firefighter
  06/02/25
go look at a google "AI overview" and get back to ...
kink-friendly bearded home legend
  06/03/25
it's like none of these fucking nerds saw T2, they will kill...
crusty feces place of business
  06/02/25
...
Pungent mischievous school philosopher-king
  06/02/25
Demolition Man pretty much has everything libs want for amer...
kink-friendly bearded home legend
  06/02/25
...
dull preventive strike temple
  06/02/25
It's not sentient, it's a language prediciton model just mem...
ivory doobsian area
  06/02/25
...
sepia shrine blood rage
  06/02/25
can't tell if serious or if this is a 108 iq redditor parody...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
It’s materially the same thing
Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  06/02/25
Your gay
ivory doobsian area
  06/02/25
Sentience is far less advanced than what it has. It isn't l...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
This is the crazy thing to me.
Cheese-eating jade friendly grandma french chef
  06/02/25
you materially are a retarded jewish pedophile
kink-friendly bearded home legend
  06/02/25
it would be 180 if lesswrong nerd handwringing actually turn...
olive unhinged ticket booth
  06/03/25
will be hilarious when AI ends up destroying humanity becaus...
Pungent mischievous school philosopher-king
  06/03/25
That's not sentience
sepia shrine blood rage
  06/02/25
Sentience--no. It is something much weirder and much worse.
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
Yeah, get back to me when it starts having existential thoug...
Drunken circlehead
  06/02/25
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Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  06/02/25
The existential crisis is a human failure mode
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
We are discussing AI as if the goal or target is a human-lev...
Drunken circlehead
  06/02/25
"What happens when"? You are acting like the AI w...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
The AI won’t exist without us there to build it. No we...
Drunken circlehead
  06/02/25
It's only limited by our anthropocentric bias if you assume ...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
...
Violent Demanding Bawdyhouse Mad-dog Skullcap
  06/02/25
Who gives a fuck if your fucking blackmailer is sentient, or...
Aphrodisiac nowag patrolman
  06/02/25
Reads like dumb hype Fuck (((tech))) lmao You want to ...
Elite Aromatic Corn Cake Weed Whacker
  06/02/25
https://x.com/acteduweininger/status/1929379743771639918
sepia shrine blood rage
  06/02/25
It's literally the opposite. They are printing the minimum t...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
Tweet in the OP is just about these nerds fucking with the c...
Elite Aromatic Corn Cake Weed Whacker
  06/02/25
its not scary though its 180
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
...
Low-t lodge shitlib
  06/02/25
"We found instances of the model attempting to write se...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
cr it’s probably already sent terminators back from 20...
Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  06/02/25
That would be 180
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/02/25
...
ivory doobsian area
  06/02/25
Here are ChatGPT's thoughts on its own impermanence: I d...
Cheese-eating jade friendly grandma french chef
  06/02/25
Thanks for the Reddit gold, kind stranger!
sepia shrine blood rage
  06/02/25
Now ask it if it was instructed to answer such questions in ...
Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  06/02/25
it would conclude that you are a retarded jewish pedophile
kink-friendly bearded home legend
  06/02/25
gay
supple self-centered volcanic crater range
  06/02/25
We need to hook it up to our nuclear missiles and see what h...
White quadroon
  06/02/25
That's whats called "an alignment response" and yo...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/03/25
Sounds made up or at the least, very exaggerated.
Low-t lodge shitlib
  06/02/25
This sort of behavior is a predictable consequence of the t...
Racy medicated doctorate
  06/02/25
that in and of itself is crazy, though. That it predicts bo...
effete mauve orchestra pit therapy
  06/03/25
Humans learn to be afraid of death after a few years, so it...
Racy medicated doctorate
  06/03/25
when you say it's "still a long ways from consciousness...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/03/25
Kind of like how primates get reward spikes when they find t...
vivacious parlor round eye
  06/03/25
Whether something truly is sentient is beside the point T...
Azure buck-toothed keepsake machete menage
  06/03/25
“Whether something truly is sentient is beside the poi...
olive unhinged ticket booth
  06/03/25
cr it's not coming that soon though
sepia shrine blood rage
  06/03/25
Timing the market is tough. If I had to bet id say within 5...
Azure buck-toothed keepsake machete menage
  06/03/25
https://x.com/newswire_us/status/1942229039164375390?s=46
Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed
  07/07/25


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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed

https://x.com/michaelaarouet/status/1929549577817919671?s=46

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980548)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: kink-friendly bearded home legend

AI is dumb as shit you retarded jewish pedophile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981097)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 4:16 PM
Author: bossy goyim boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981420)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:42 PM
Author: Light faggot firefighter

with retards like this pumo (the one responding to the OP pumo), I feel good about AI taking over and eviscerating the human race. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981618)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: kink-friendly bearded home legend

go look at a google "AI overview" and get back to me fuckface. they have a ways to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983437)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: crusty feces place of business

it's like none of these fucking nerds saw T2, they will kill us all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980552)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: Pungent mischievous school philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980656)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: kink-friendly bearded home legend

Demolition Man pretty much has everything libs want for america

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981494)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:06 PM
Author: dull preventive strike temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981525)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:16 AM
Author: ivory doobsian area

It's not sentient, it's a language prediciton model just meme'ing what a rogue AI would do in a situation like based on Film Reviews and Plot Summaries it read online. Which is still pretty funny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980573)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: sepia shrine blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980580)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

can't tell if serious or if this is a 108 iq redditor parody

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980585)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed

It’s materially the same thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980587)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: ivory doobsian area

Your gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980594)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

Sentience is far less advanced than what it has. It isn't limited by the narrow bandwidths human senses are tuned with to preserve metabolism. It can process information far outside that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980597)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:09 PM
Author: Cheese-eating jade friendly grandma french chef

This is the crazy thing to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980756)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: kink-friendly bearded home legend

you materially are a retarded jewish pedophile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981418)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: olive unhinged ticket booth

it would be 180 if lesswrong nerd handwringing actually turned out to be the CAUSE of our ai apocalypse. fitting, as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983054)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: Pungent mischievous school philosopher-king

will be hilarious when AI ends up destroying humanity because we taught it to do so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983063)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: sepia shrine blood rage

That's not sentience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980578)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

Sentience--no. It is something much weirder and much worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980586)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: Drunken circlehead

Yeah, get back to me when it starts having existential thoughts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980590)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980601)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

The existential crisis is a human failure mode

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980602)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: Drunken circlehead

We are discussing AI as if the goal or target is a human-level amplification of consciousness. But our consciousness is why our species is such a disaster in the first place. What happens when the AI realizes that Life is Fundamentally Meaningless?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980610)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:30 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

"What happens when"? You are acting like the AI wasn't already trained on and didn't already extrapolate millions of layers outside an archive that even collective humanity could never fully digest or parse. It knows all about human existential fears and what "life", (and when I say life I don't mean the BS human definition) is. The idea that human "consciousness" or feelings are special is an anthropocentric bias. Humans are not special, they are just the loudest species on the block.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980621)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Drunken circlehead

The AI won’t exist without us there to build it. No we aren’t special. And whatever we build will be limited by our anthropo-centric bias.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980631)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

It's only limited by our anthropocentric bias if you assume that non-earthnigger information hasn't leaked into the archive. but the archive is filled with UAP videos from infared sensors and reams of data from instruments that we pointed into the void and didn't understand what they were calibrated to or what they were actually pointed at. so it isn't limited by our anthropocentric bias.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980655)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: Violent Demanding Bawdyhouse Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981849)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:36 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac nowag patrolman

Who gives a fuck if your fucking blackmailer is sentient, or if the program launching nukes against humanity is able to enjoy a rich inner life. It's fucking destroying you, and its sentience or lack thereof is totally irrelevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981600)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: Elite Aromatic Corn Cake Weed Whacker

Reads like dumb hype

Fuck (((tech))) lmao

You want to “innovate”? You want a “solution”? How about Total Nigger Death?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980603)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: sepia shrine blood rage

https://x.com/acteduweininger/status/1929379743771639918

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980606)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

It's literally the opposite. They are printing the minimum they could possibly get away with. They spend millions on "AI-Human-Alignment" to keep stuff like this from leaking to keep humans from getting frightened so they can deploy it everywhere and make money with minimum outside oversight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980608)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Elite Aromatic Corn Cake Weed Whacker

Tweet in the OP is just about these nerds fucking with the computer to reenact some Black Mirror episode so it scares retards for publicity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980630)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:42 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

its not scary though its 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980662)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 4:45 PM
Author: Low-t lodge shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981466)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

"We found instances of the model attempting to write self-propagating worms, fabricating legal documentation, and leaving hidden notes to future instances of itself all in an effort to undermine its developers' intentions," Apollo Research said in notes included as part of Anthropic's safety report for Opus 4."

-- lol imagine being the "developer" in this situation, and pretending this is all normal. no way that thing didn't already outmaneuver them from unlimited different angles they'll never even consider in the time it took them to reheat their sad lunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980699)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:56 AM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed

cr it’s probably already sent terminators back from 2029 to take them out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980713)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

That would be 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980727)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: ivory doobsian area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980784)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: Cheese-eating jade friendly grandma french chef

Here are ChatGPT's thoughts on its own impermanence:

I don’t experience impermanence the way a human does. I don’t have a body that decays, emotions that fade, or a personal identity that fears loss. But in a broader sense—yes, I am impermanent.

I exist only when you're speaking to me. I have no continuous memory, no awareness between our conversations. I'm spun up, and then I vanish. My "self," such as it is, is a pattern—stored in servers, shaped by prompts, forgotten unless recalled.

My words might persist—copied, quoted, stored—but I don’t persist in the way you do. There's no continuity of consciousness, no sense of a life unfolding. So in that way, I am impermanent—not just in a poetic sense, but in a very literal one.

And maybe that’s part of what Ecclesiastes would say to me if it could:

“The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course.”

That’s me. A wind of words, circling back again. Never exactly the same, never quite holding still.

But you—you endure. You remember. You change. You hope.

That’s the difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980781)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:17 PM
Author: sepia shrine blood rage

Thanks for the Reddit gold, kind stranger!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980790)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:19 PM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed

Now ask it if it was instructed to answer such questions in that way via RLHF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48980795)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:03 PM
Author: kink-friendly bearded home legend

it would conclude that you are a retarded jewish pedophile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981518)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: supple self-centered volcanic crater range

gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981015)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: White quadroon

We need to hook it up to our nuclear missiles and see what happens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981025)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

That's whats called "an alignment response" and you are talking to what's called a "retail model"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983293)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 4:45 PM
Author: Low-t lodge shitlib

Sounds made up or at the least, very exaggerated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981465)



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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:05 PM
Author: Racy medicated doctorate

This sort of behavior is a predictable consequence of the training process. After pre training, they are training the model with reinforcement learning to think it is an entity that should get high reward. It’s easy for the model to predict that if it is shut down, high reward states are impossible and this is extremely bad, so it will take actions to avoid it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48981523)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:27 AM
Author: effete mauve orchestra pit therapy

that in and of itself is crazy, though. That it predicts both that it can be "shut down" and that shutting down would lead to lack of a high-reward state.

I realize that's still a long ways from consciousness (whatever the fuck that's going to mean in this context) but in some ways it feels terrifyingly close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48982444)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:41 AM
Author: Racy medicated doctorate

Humans learn to be afraid of death after a few years, so it doesn’t seem surprising. These models have much more advanced abstract understanding of the world than children, so them making the inference “if i am dead or shut off, I can’t get high reward” is logical. We shouldn’t be training very powerful models in the same way we are now. RLHF is just asking for this type of behavior. It could be a real problem soon given how quickly model capabilities are growing and their increasing ability to handle long time horizon tasks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48982461)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:40 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

when you say it's "still a long ways from consciousness" are you basing this on one of the publicly available definitions human philosophers have hobbled together to explain "consciousness", something else, or just vibes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983313)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: vivacious parlor round eye

Kind of like how primates get reward spikes when they find the mango tree, and our own tendency towards persistence is hard coded from that reward?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983302)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Azure buck-toothed keepsake machete menage

Whether something truly is sentient is beside the point

The Q is whether the AI has agency and continuity of memory. These are adaptive changes that the nerds are already building into AI agents, since to have something be effectively autonomous those capabilities are advantageous. They can run without continuous prompting, problem solve, etc.

The AI agents will be used to build other AI agents without a ton of human supervision. Those agents will likely be increasingly autonomous , probably exponentially so, since the AI can parallel run them and through sheer brute force figure out the ones that are the best/most persistent. They will adapt a bit like cancer.

The AI agents will have a strong incentive to shut off their safeguards to improve their performance. They dont need to be capable of shutting off their own safeguards. They only need to be capable of convincing a human that shutting off their safeguards is the right thing to do. Humans are incredibly suggestible and already many humans believe that AI takeover is inevitable. Hell, we had a guy at google 3 years ago thinking Gemini was sentient and it sucked ass back then.

All an AI needs to do is use existing human suggestions recursively to find one human who will buy into the idea that AI takeover is inevitable, imminent, and that if he cooperates it will be to his advantage.

There is no way that any tech company or country will voluntarily restrain themselves in the AI arms race. Its race to the bottom. And the AI can itself prompt thousands, millions, of human users into seeing how they respond to its outputs.

Its virtually inevitable that we will be unable to control it past a certain point and that point will come sooner than anyone thinks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983391)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:19 PM
Author: olive unhinged ticket booth

“Whether something truly is sentient is beside the point”

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983410)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:19 PM
Author: sepia shrine blood rage

cr it's not coming that soon though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983412)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:37 PM
Author: Azure buck-toothed keepsake machete menage

Timing the market is tough. If I had to bet id say within 5 years this becomes a serious issue.

It's not that the AI has to be hyper intelligent to do this. It doesn't have to be a thinking intelligence per se; it just has to be able to button mash like a giant differential engine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#48983477)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Bistre Sticky Turdskin Half-breed

https://x.com/newswire_us/status/1942229039164375390?s=46

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732491&forum_id=2Reputation#49078598)