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avocado senate
  12/01/09
How much will a PhD help in getting a teaching job?
Puce zombie-like point pozpig
  12/01/09
A lot. There's been an extremely big shift in the last seve...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
I'm thinking about going on the market when I'm "All Bu...
Puce zombie-like point pozpig
  12/01/09
I don't really know the logistics, given that I didn't do th...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
I'm thinking about Ph.D. in History. Is that a hot field?
Puce zombie-like point pozpig
  12/01/09
Are some fields preferable to others when it comes to the Ph...
Snowy toilet seat
  12/01/09
Again, speaking a bit out of my comfort zone, but I think it...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
Ever accidentally a whole escort?
idiotic razzle-dazzle hall nowag
  12/01/09
Are job market interviews really as tough as people say they...
frozen multi-colored coffee pot
  12/01/09
One problem, I think, is that people often treat it like you...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
...
insane step-uncle's house
  12/01/09
I would sell the E&E's and not think about law school fo...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
...
insane step-uncle's house
  12/01/09
I really hope this is a flame. You gain nothing, NOTHING, b...
violet cruise ship mad cow disease
  12/01/09
...
insane step-uncle's house
  12/01/09
It can help if your previous reading of the material allows ...
Puce zombie-like point pozpig
  12/01/09
please return here on day 2 of 1L when you are already burne...
Disturbing den
  12/01/09
Please don't buy into all that crap you read in Planet Law S...
sepia dopamine hissy fit
  12/01/09
If you are serious, spend a few months working on your writi...
glittery deranged state voyeur
  12/01/09
lol this is such a bullshit attitude that all law profs have...
Sable trump supporter whorehouse
  12/01/09
While it might be an "efficient" way to learn, it'...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
DESCRIBE the added value of a law class over reading a well-...
Sable trump supporter whorehouse
  12/01/09
Engagement in the material, rather than passive reception. ...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
lol. it's called rent my friend. enjoy it while it lasts.
Sable trump supporter whorehouse
  12/01/09
how much do you and your fellow profs empathize with student...
alcoholic mind-boggling rigpig
  12/01/09
I'm not sure you're using "self-imposed" correctly...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
titcr
Ultramarine Vivacious Menage Idiot
  12/01/09
Publishing
comical bistre office goal in life
  12/01/09
As a preliminary matter, I don't think Notes are taken very ...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
ty. very helpful.
comical bistre office goal in life
  12/01/09
why are most of you absolutely hideous? and how did that pla...
pea-brained friendly grandma
  12/01/09
I have a class with 10 billion pages of reading. Best way to...
aquamarine hairraiser church
  12/01/09
Focus on the lecture. The lecture is a gigantic highlighter...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
LeiTTTer? is that you?
mildly autistic thirsty trailer park windowlicker
  12/01/09
Heh, I doubt he'd ever attempt to engage with AutoAdmit.
avocado senate
  12/01/09
What should I do to become happy? Background on me: spend wa...
carnelian blood rage
  12/01/09
Ah, I have no idea. Follow your passion, not your pocketboo...
avocado senate
  12/01/09
what do you think of emergency medicine?
carnelian blood rage
  12/01/09
I am a PhD student in a top 3 political science department a...
dun excitant university codepig
  12/01/09


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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:18 PM
Author: avocado senate

Time for that caffeinated-n-panicked edition of law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414645)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:21 PM
Author: Puce zombie-like point pozpig

How much will a PhD help in getting a teaching job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414661)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:25 PM
Author: avocado senate

A lot. There's been an extremely big shift in the last several years. As there are more candidates, you need a way to distinguish yourself. A PhD basically means you were going to teach, anyway, and it sets yourself apart as having the chops to handle publishing. Plus, schools are keen on the whole "interdisciplinary" notion, and a PhD in another subject can be attractive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414696)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:28 PM
Author: Puce zombie-like point pozpig

I'm thinking about going on the market when I'm "All But Dissertation." So I'd have the MA, and the MPhil. Is that fine?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414722)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:32 PM
Author: avocado senate

I don't really know the logistics, given that I didn't do this. I think ABD is generally considered acceptable, but I think they want some kind of timeline to know how close you are to getting the doctorate. They may be worried if you're at least 3 years out from getting the doctorate, but they probably won't mind if you have a defense imminent. But, again, I'm speaking a bit out of my expertise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414772)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:38 PM
Author: Puce zombie-like point pozpig

I'm thinking about Ph.D. in History. Is that a hot field?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414850)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:29 PM
Author: Snowy toilet seat

Are some fields preferable to others when it comes to the PhD? Does a law and econ person with a PhD in econ look more impressive than a legal historian with a PhD in history? What about other fields, like literature or anthropology?

(I don't mean the obvious; e.g., I don't think there would be much value added with a PhD in a hard science. (From an academic standpoint, that is. I'm sure plenty of patent firms would love it.))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414732)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:36 PM
Author: avocado senate

Again, speaking a bit out of my comfort zone, but I think it all depends on what the school wants. A legal historian would be just fine at many schools. Econ is, of course, very popular. Philosophy as well. It's more about how you market yourself, I think. If you have a real niche where you can describe how the two intersect, it's going to get you a lot farther than just having a degree and thinking it will help. But, again, I can't speak too much more specifically than this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414831)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:30 PM
Author: idiotic razzle-dazzle hall nowag

Ever accidentally a whole escort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414742)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:34 PM
Author: frozen multi-colored coffee pot

Are job market interviews really as tough as people say they are? Don't you basically just try to defend your job market piece from criticism without curling into a ball, explain what your research agenda entails, etc? What's so difficult about the process?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414801)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:40 PM
Author: avocado senate

One problem, I think, is that people often treat it like you say, as a "defense." People get upset, get personal, get defensive, want to fend off their paper from any critiques, and the like. Yeah, you may not "curl into a ball," but if you come across as an abrasive know-it-all, or if you try to speak to things you don't know about, then it can be problematic.

It's much better to treat it as a collaboration, where the interviewers are trying to tear holes into your work, and where you try to be flexible, taking some criticism and admitting where you might accept some correction or some disagreement, but not be pushed over.

Also, lots of profs really enjoy ripping candidates in any way they can. They'll mock your research agenda ("I don't see how this research fits together."), they'll criticism your positions, they'll try to get a rise out of you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414876)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:38 PM
Author: insane step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414839)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:41 PM
Author: avocado senate

I would sell the E&E's and not think about law school for the next eight months. You'll only screw yourself up. You'll get an idea about what law school is supposed to be and miss the forest for the trees when you get in the classroom. Don't do this, if you're a serious poster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414889)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:50 PM
Author: insane step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414944)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: violet cruise ship mad cow disease

I really hope this is a flame. You gain nothing, NOTHING, by doing this prep. LS is simply not that hard. The only thing that matters is test taking ability and strategy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414964)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 2:09 PM
Author: insane step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415025)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 2:12 PM
Author: Puce zombie-like point pozpig

It can help if your previous reading of the material allows you to grasp it quicker thus allowing you to do practice tests while your classmates are memorizing their outlines. The key to getting good grades on law school exams, is memorizing the material far out enough in advance that you can read lots of practice tests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415055)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 3:53 PM
Author: Disturbing den

please return here on day 2 of 1L when you are already burned out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415793)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 4:20 PM
Author: sepia dopamine hissy fit

Please don't buy into all that crap you read in Planet Law School - the guy is mostly full of shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13416022)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 9:02 PM
Author: glittery deranged state voyeur

If you are serious, spend a few months working on your writing and a few weeks on your typing. I'm not saying this based on your posts. It's just saying that writing well and typing fast are better skills to have at this point and in the future. Don't waste 8 months of your life memorizing a treatise or supplement that will only benefit you for a few weeks in the fall (until you realize that it's what your prof cares about that matters, not some supplement).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418429)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:45 PM
Author: Sable trump supporter whorehouse

lol this is such a bullshit attitude that all law profs have: as if you have some magical genius that will only be communicated in lecture and not through reading commercial outlines. reading outlines is in fact the most efficient way for many people to learn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418205)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:46 PM
Author: avocado senate

While it might be an "efficient" way to learn, it's certainly not an "efficient" way to learn for the class taught. If you'd like a 3-year bar prep course, then yes, E&E, etc. are exactly right for you. Rote, robotic, black-letter law, unthinkingly applied.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418220)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:53 PM
Author: Sable trump supporter whorehouse

DESCRIBE the added value of a law class over reading a well-written e&e by a nationally recognized expert in the field. also assume the e&e costs $50 and the law class costs $6000 plus lost wages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418327)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:56 PM
Author: avocado senate

Engagement in the material, rather than passive reception.

Discussing boundaries of the rules presented.

Reading the cases on your own and attempting to interpret them, rather than having someone else interpret them for you.

Utilizing fact patterns more involved and particularly applied.

I could go on and on. Of course, sure, if you think that someone of reasonable intelligence could go read E&E for a couple years and end up just as good a lawyer as someone who spend a few years at a reasonably ranked law school, I think you'd be in the very tiny minority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418375)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 9:04 PM
Author: Sable trump supporter whorehouse

lol. it's called rent my friend. enjoy it while it lasts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418464)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 1:48 PM
Author: alcoholic mind-boggling rigpig

how much do you and your fellow profs empathize with students going through the self-imposed torture known as finals week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414937)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 2:01 PM
Author: avocado senate

I'm not sure you're using "self-imposed" correctly here, and it's pretty hyperbolic to call it "torture." You work hard for 10 days, as opposed to the other 15 weeks or so in which you read 10 pages a day and drink 3 hours a night. Finals week is never as bad as law students made it out to be. I think they just want to validate themselves that law school is truly rigorous like other graduate schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13414988)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 4:12 PM
Author: Ultramarine Vivacious Menage Idiot

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415960)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 4:13 PM
Author: comical bistre office goal in life
Subject: Publishing

For someone who wants academia, is it better to publish an article in a TTT journal or a note in a HYS journal? If one already has numerous publications in TTT journals, does the answer change?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415965)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:37 PM
Author: avocado senate

As a preliminary matter, I don't think Notes are taken very seriously, if at all, in terms of a qualification as a "publication." Publications are more about showing your academic ability and area. Many journals require you to write a Note, whether it's published or not. Maybe it ends up on the top of the heap and it gets published. But showing that you took the initiative to publish on your own can be very important, "TTT journal" or not. I don't know what the standards are for selection for a Note at HYS, but even there, I don't think it's considered too impressive, at least if you're looking to get into academia.

Also, it all depends on your area. Some journals are better than others depending on your discipline. A "TTT" journal may not have as many W&L citations overall, but it may be a very good, say, law and technology journal. You just need to figure out what area you want to practice in and determine which of those "TTT" journals are actually far less TTT than you imagine.

More publications can be good, but don't be too diffused or scattered, and try not to show your age or desperation. Quantity v. quality can be an issue, but it's tough to gauge. Academics talk big about high-quality works, but they seem to be impressed with quantity because they're lazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418120)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 9:39 PM
Author: comical bistre office goal in life

ty. very helpful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418841)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 4:14 PM
Author: pea-brained friendly grandma

why are most of you absolutely hideous? and how did that play into your failure to do well in private practice? law profs are by and large the ugliest group of humans that ever roamed (stalked is a better word here) the planet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13415977)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 4:21 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser church

I have a class with 10 billion pages of reading. Best way to figure out what is important for final? Yes, I know this question makes me look like a dumb...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13416034)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:38 PM
Author: avocado senate

Focus on the lecture. The lecture is a gigantic highlighter for your textbook. It cuts out vast swaths of unnecessary material and supplements it where it's lacking, vague, or ambiguous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418133)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 5:27 PM
Author: mildly autistic thirsty trailer park windowlicker

LeiTTTer? is that you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13416520)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:38 PM
Author: avocado senate

Heh, I doubt he'd ever attempt to engage with AutoAdmit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418137)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:44 PM
Author: carnelian blood rage

What should I do to become happy? Background on me: spend way too much time online, no friends, rejected from med schools, reapplying. Putting all my savings into a christmas break trip to zermatt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418191)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 8:45 PM
Author: avocado senate

Ah, I have no idea. Follow your passion, not your pocketbook.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418202)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 9:40 PM
Author: carnelian blood rage

what do you think of emergency medicine?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418852)



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Date: December 1st, 2009 9:46 PM
Author: dun excitant university codepig

I am a PhD student in a top 3 political science department and do work remotely related to the courts. Is it worth applying to jobs at law schools? Would I need the JD to do so?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1152368&forum_id=2#13418910)