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Life COULDN'T be worse as a Solo / Hang that shingle / Yolo

Seriously, worst case scenario you work the same long hours ...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
70K as a solo? In your first year or two? You realize being ...
.,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:,:,...,:,.:...:.,:.::,.
  10/26/12
Friend got fired and is doing shit crim defense to pay bills...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
lol how the fuck do you do child custody or divorce for unde...
MoreDoughHi
  10/26/12
I dunno. That was a loose afterthought, perhaps not a good i...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
too many flat fee fucks do divorces assembly line style and ...
200 eggrolls for citizenship bro
  10/30/12
Office space Computer Internet paper Toner for copier A...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
I do know a thing or two about crim cases, yeah. The point w...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
"Out of those 5 cases, 0 will go to trial." Unt...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
Sure you'd get trial-fucked once in awhile. But the vast, va...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
And please explain to me what fantasy-world you live in wher...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
Never said shit closes in a month, brother. I said you pick ...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
right and you're filing 3-4 motions, deposing 1-2 cops/drug ...
MoreDoughHi
  10/26/12
(guy who does not understand frequency of resolution is inde...
Redpillary Badminton the Asian MRA
  10/26/12
WTF. . .?
"'""'"''""
  10/26/12
Making 5k on 3 misdemeanors a month? LOLOLOLOLOLOL Unless...
Dick Trickle, RIP
  10/26/12
Getting only 500 for a misdemeanor, it'd better be trespassi...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
It's what the market will bear, brother.
Dick Trickle, RIP
  10/26/12
the shittiest thing about being self employed is the lack of...
the ultimate alpha male
  10/26/12
You've got to be kidding. One of the best things about self...
From a Bloomington Bathhouse on the Hill
  10/26/12
no. automatic free money, even if you have limited investmen...
404 poster not found
  11/21/12
No lawyer gets a pension (besides a minuscule number of gove...
Kraftwerk
  11/21/12
Lol at aspie Bruno Mars in here spouting bullshit.
Down and anon6356 in Paris and London
  10/26/12
Since you are a solo practice masterman, please point out wh...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
I think youre getting shit because you conflated the frequen...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
My "pessimism about going solo" is aimed at your i...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
Almost every single thing you said: (1) paying for an of...
Down and anon6356 in Paris and London
  10/26/12
jfc u seem dumb. (2) Proves that you have no PI experienc...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
What makes me seem dumb?
Down and anon6356 in Paris and London
  10/26/12
sharing office space and and paying a monthly fee for the pr...
Kenneth Pinyan
  10/26/12
Just do shared office space bros
" " " "
  10/26/12
Do shared or virtual office space. Do no receptionist. Do bu...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
"Do no malpractice insurance." This is where yo...
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
We have had this argument before. He is absolutely right un...
Down and anon6356 in Paris and London
  10/26/12
We do legal mal where Im at now. Bruno thinks Im just pullin...
grand arbre
  10/26/12
what kind of bullshit flame is this? Ruskie (exaggerratin...
Kenneth Pinyan
  10/26/12
"and boob job she got the year before." pics?
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
she posted them herself and brags about them. basically h...
Kenneth Pinyan
  10/26/12
pics?
Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command)
  10/26/12
pics?
.,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:,:,...,:,.:...:.,:.::,.
  10/26/12
pics?
"'""'"''""
  10/26/12
pics?
jews
  10/30/12
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,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,.,.,:;,...,.,:,..,:.:.,:.::,.
  11/21/12
Tcop it is very easy to start your own firm with little to...
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All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace
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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:30 AM
Author: grand arbre

Seriously, worst case scenario you work the same long hours and only make 70k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890112)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:34 AM
Author: .,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:,:,...,:,.:...:.,:.::,.


70K as a solo? In your first year or two? You realize being a solo means fronting tens of thousands in litigation costs, right? It takes those first clients years to turn over a profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890128)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:38 AM
Author: grand arbre

Friend got fired and is doing shit crim defense to pay bills while he cultivates shit personal injury. The PI is paying anything yet, but he's def making 5-7k a month on crim. That's like 3 misdemeanors or 2 felonies a month. Do a few divorces, custody plans for $500-1000 a pop.

It'd be long hours but fuck these bosses, man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890140)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:44 AM
Author: MoreDoughHi

lol how the fuck do you do child custody or divorce for under $3K even? at $500/pop you have 2 hours drafting plus 3 hours getting ready for and attending court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890167)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:46 AM
Author: grand arbre

I dunno. That was a loose afterthought, perhaps not a good idea. But you could do crim defense and PI and make 70k your first year, if you penny-pinched and worked hard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890177)



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Date: October 30th, 2012 8:52 PM
Author: 200 eggrolls for citizenship bro

too many flat fee fucks do divorces assembly line style and it brings down the market fee. you have to be prepared to do uncontested for under 1k to be competitive, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21927622)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:45 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

Office space

Computer

Internet

paper

Toner for copier

A FUCKING COPIER

Telephone

Cell phone

Gas

"Just do 3 misd or 2 felonies a month, nbd"

You do know that cases don't magically "resolve" themselves in 1 month, right?

even if someone paid you $5,000 upfront, you can't place that money in your Operating Fund until you have billed against the retainer.

LOL, JUST LO-FUCKING-L if you think divorces or custody plans can be resolved in a quick enough time to turn a profit.

tl;dr - Chances are you won't turn a profit your first year as a solo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890172)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:48 AM
Author: grand arbre

I do know a thing or two about crim cases, yeah. The point was you pick up 3m's or 2f's a month (minimum) to generate those fees -- and charging those rates is realistic, at least where I live.

Out of those 5 cases, 0 will go to trial. Maybe a trial or three a year at most.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890187)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:50 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

"Out of those 5 cases, 0 will go to trial."

Until your wonderful clients say, "Fuck it! I want my trial!"

"Uh.. uh..then I'll just get out of the case."

Yeah, until the Judge denies your Motion and says you are first up on his trial calendar.

EDIT:

You continue to live in this dilusional world where all you have to do is sign up a client and BAM! Models & Bottles.

There is a reason most Shitlaw lawyers take any and every case they can find.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890192)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:51 AM
Author: grand arbre

Sure you'd get trial-fucked once in awhile. But the vast, vast majority of shit goes away or pleads out. In my experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890201)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:53 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

And please explain to me what fantasy-world you live in where every case you pick up resolves itself w/in 30 days?

Hell, depending on how busy the jurisdiction is, you might not have calendar call for 2 months.

Let's not forget there are Motions that might need be filed which will push the case back even farther.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890216)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:55 AM
Author: grand arbre

Never said shit closes in a month, brother. I said you pick up that many cases a month. Presume they close 6-12 months later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890227)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:58 AM
Author: MoreDoughHi

right and you're filing 3-4 motions, deposing 1-2 cops/drug testers, showing up for calendar calls in a suit battling monkeys with metal wands to take an elevator to a courtroom to literally say "yes your honor, setting it out 5 weeks is fine, maybe i'll have the same prosecutor on this case next court appearance so we can get offered a plea."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890243)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:58 AM
Author: Redpillary Badminton the Asian MRA

(guy who does not understand frequency of resolution is independent of time to resolution)

Please explain to me how the fact that cars can only go 70mph means only like three cars will drive into LA every hour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890241)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 10:49 AM
Author: "'""'"''"" (School of Hard Knock Poasts)


WTF. . .?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890527)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:51 AM
Author: Dick Trickle, RIP

Making 5k on 3 misdemeanors a month? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Unless they're DUIs, highly unlikely. Maybe 1.5k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890200)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:52 AM
Author: grand arbre

Getting only 500 for a misdemeanor, it'd better be trespassing or petit theft.

Or you live in Alabama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890206)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 10:01 AM
Author: Dick Trickle, RIP

It's what the market will bear, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890264)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:38 AM
Author: the ultimate alpha male

the shittiest thing about being self employed is the lack of a pension plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890137)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 9:48 AM
Author: From a Bloomington Bathhouse on the Hill (a flame)

You've got to be kidding. One of the best things about self-employment is that you have tons of flexibility with retirement planning.

You could get yourself a pension if you wanted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890183)



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Date: November 21st, 2012 7:24 PM
Author: 404 poster not found

no. automatic free money, even if you have limited investment options, is always better than not having free money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22091253)



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Date: November 21st, 2012 7:44 PM
Author: Kraftwerk

No lawyer gets a pension (besides a minuscule number of government lifers).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22091363)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 10:11 AM
Author: Down and anon6356 in Paris and London (he cant save you)

Lol at aspie Bruno Mars in here spouting bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890316)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 10:50 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

Since you are a solo practice masterman, please point out what was "bullshit"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890530)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 10:59 AM
Author: grand arbre

I think youre getting shit because you conflated the frequency at which I suggested picking up cases (eg. a few felonies a month) with the idea that these same felonies would close in that same time period. And you kind of mocked me for this, which was a self-pwn.

But in general, I understand your pessimism about going solo. Its why I havent jumped the gun. But it's tempting, esp when I see a retard brother doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890569)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:17 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

My "pessimism about going solo" is aimed at your idea that

"pick up 3m's or 2f's a month (minimum)" = profit 1st year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890635)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:17 AM
Author: Down and anon6356 in Paris and London (he cant save you)

Almost every single thing you said:

(1) paying for an office computer copier westlaw. Whatever, this can all be had for under 500 a month sharing space with lawyers who own a building and have established practices. You can probably work out a deal paying nothing and instead helping them out a few hours a week;

(2) Tens of thousands in litigation costs. Never happen. client either pays or they dont get to play. If you get some huge personal injury case, you associate someone big enough to handle it.

(3) Cant take money until you bill the hours. Sometimes, but there is also such a thing as a flat fee jackass.

(4) Trials arent that bad little breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890640)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:20 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

jfc u seem dumb.

(2) Proves that you have no PI experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890651)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:34 AM
Author: Down and anon6356 in Paris and London (he cant save you)

What makes me seem dumb?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890702)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:21 AM
Author: Kenneth Pinyan (earl)

sharing office space and and paying a monthly fee for the privilege of taking some shitlaw partners scraps is not really going solo. I know lots of people who do that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890658)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:01 AM
Author: " " " "

Just do shared office space bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890577)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:04 AM
Author: grand arbre

Do shared or virtual office space. Do no receptionist. Do buy an expensive copier/scanner/printer and flex that shit. Do no malpractice insurance. Do a credit card service so you can scan your clients' cards up front.

You wont make biglaw money, ever. And you'll work late into the evening. But you'll be free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890588)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:26 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

"Do no malpractice insurance."

This is where your flame jumped the shark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890676)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:35 AM
Author: Down and anon6356 in Paris and London (he cant save you)

We have had this argument before. He is absolutely right unless you have a pile of cash and everyone knows it. Most legal mal lawyers wont even take the case unless there is insurance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890707)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 12:31 PM
Author: grand arbre

We do legal mal where Im at now. Bruno thinks Im just pulling numbers and advice out of my ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21891086)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:15 AM
Author: Kenneth Pinyan (earl)

what kind of bullshit flame is this?

Ruskie (exaggerrating) said she made $10K last year which would not even pay for the nose and boob job she got the year before.

If you want to be free, dont be a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890624)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:17 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

"and boob job she got the year before."

pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890642)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:18 AM
Author: Kenneth Pinyan (earl)

she posted them herself and brags about them.

basically her family is paying her rent while she plays lawyer and pretends to be independent.

shit white women get away with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890646)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:20 AM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (Mitt shouting "NAW NAW NAW... NOT GOD 'BLESS' AMERICA")

pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890653)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:21 AM
Author: .,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:,:,...,:,.:...:.,:.::,.


pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890657)



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Date: October 26th, 2012 11:24 AM
Author: "'""'"''"" (School of Hard Knock Poasts)


pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21890671)



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Date: October 30th, 2012 9:16 PM
Author: jews

pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#21927871)



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Date: November 21st, 2012 7:21 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,.,.,:;,...,.,:,..,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22091237)



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Date: November 21st, 2012 9:29 PM
Author: ..........,,,,,,,

Tcop

it is very easy to start your own firm with little to no expenses.

-Virtual office for $60/month

-Laser printer- $90

-Lots of Paper- $20

- Advertising (This is where most of your expenses should be going)

-You should already have laptop and cell phone.

-You need malpractice, because most likely you don't know what you're doing and malpractice judgments can be enforced for up to 10 yrs of wage garnishment. And you will get sued if you fuck something up. Plus having the insurance allows you to not give a shit and be more aggressive. Get a cheap plan.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22091865)



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Date: December 4th, 2012 6:13 PM
Author: All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22167578)



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Date: January 29th, 2013 5:07 PM
Author: Gen. Elba (Space Force Lib-Command) (That's a Class E felony, dirtbag!)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#22528254)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: tech founder disrupting concepts of human dignity



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2092683&forum_id=2#36238274)