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exit options from national L&E "boutique"

Think oagletree deakins, littler, jackson lewis. Been here ...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
Welcome to Plaintiffs side employment law
Garnet Ape
  04/02/13
99% of these firms are shit. i'll do doc review or leave law...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
Some of them must make money otherwise there'd be no LE liti...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
rofl uh, there are no exit options
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
I thought L&E had the benefit of good in-house exit ops,...
Very tactful reading party
  04/02/13
Yeah, LE is good for inhouse options but the OP doesnt have ...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
i lateraled as a 5th year, so i have experience (a lot, actu...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
yea BIGLAW is shit.. just apply inhouse.. u prob have enough...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
just do: help fuck over workers, bro
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
this is american way
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
what does a 1st/2nd yr in oglatree make
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
if they are in NYC/LA etc probably 20-30k less than v10 firm...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
how much in an atlanta or minneapolis cannot believe thes...
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
check nalpdirectory in case u haven't noticed like every ...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
i can confirm all of the above. we represent a lot of househ...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
are all of these firms defense side? or both?
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
management-only as far as i know. i don't think they dabble ...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
% of the work is legitimately fucking over poor worker bros?
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
basically 99%- from what ive seen all defense side firm's do...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
lol at our divergent replies. You a plaintiff's side bro?
Garnet Ape
  04/02/13
i was not referring to whether the cases are legit or not.. ...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
180, noticed that
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
Maybe 10-20% of cases are legit,and most of those cases will...
Garnet Ape
  04/02/13
its their own fucking fault..
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
labor and employment? you should be able to get in house ea...
wonderful station telephone
  04/02/13
how do you get one of these gigs as a first year associate? ...
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
lateral. i traded up, from a solo's office, which i suppose ...
idiotic marketing idea brunch
  04/02/13
know someone who got it after being UNEMPLOYED coming out of...
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
most of the big boutiques have summer associate programs but...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
I worked at a F500, before law school. Most of the L&E ...
swashbuckling startling piazza dysfunction
  04/02/13
this is why i wish i'd done L&E
wonderful station telephone
  04/02/13
dont any lit ppl who go inhouse just farm out work to law fi...
cerebral parlor
  04/02/13
that's what corp people do too (supervise outside counsel)
wonderful station telephone
  04/02/13
Yes, they farmed out all trial work. The VP of the group (ol...
swashbuckling startling piazza dysfunction
  04/02/13
At my megacrop, if the potential liability crosses a certain...
Diverse chapel
  08/21/17
why do firms even bother hiring minorities; seems like costs...
stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple
  04/02/13
just do exit to regular "biglaw" (Jill Filapovi...
Violent yellow principal's office
  04/02/13
i was looking at jackson lewis and littler. seems like they...
mildly autistic home kitty
  04/03/13
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idiotic marketing idea brunch
  05/26/18
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navy death wish organic girlfriend
  08/21/17
State?
lemon lay multi-billionaire
  05/26/18
If you do L&E, just chop your balls off.
vivacious messiness
  05/26/18
coke and trannies, apparently
odious sanctuary athletic conference
  08/22/18
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:11 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

Think oagletree deakins, littler, jackson lewis. Been here for 7-8 months. got great feedback at first and got lots of work. haven't been getting much lately, and recently managing partner wasn't too happy with a brief i wrote (although the next thing i gave him he said was "great"). can't decide whether things are just slow, or i need to get off my ass to get work, or it's hopeless and people are phasing me out. assuming the latter, where can i end up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925764)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:13 PM
Author: Garnet Ape

Welcome to Plaintiffs side employment law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925776)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

99% of these firms are shit. i'll do doc review or leave law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925803)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

Some of them must make money otherwise there'd be no LE litigation faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925829)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:14 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

rofl uh, there are no exit options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925779)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM
Author: Very tactful reading party

I thought L&E had the benefit of good in-house exit ops, since basically every company has employment issues. The associates who have left the L&E section at my firm definitely seem to have found decent jobs. I can't imagine it would be different from one of the well-known management side firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925808)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:20 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

Yeah, LE is good for inhouse options but the OP doesnt have nearly enough experience. If he is fucked after just 7m he has no future and shld just hang himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925825)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:26 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

i lateraled as a 5th year, so i have experience (a lot, actually because i started out with a solo and was co-chairing NLRB trials and handling EEOC investigations on my own) before i came here. now it's 5 attorneys staffed on a case, and i get asked to do discrete research assignments. i guess i shouldn't complain, but it is a bit disappointing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925865)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:27 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

yea BIGLAW is shit.. just apply inhouse.. u prob have enough experience.. back when id check inhouse job postings literally like 15-25% were probably for LE... its one of the most common

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925875)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

just do: help fuck over workers, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925830)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

this is american way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925852)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

what does a 1st/2nd yr in oglatree make

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925833)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

if they are in NYC/LA etc probably 20-30k less than v10 firm, not including bonus

if in atlanta less

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925850)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:30 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

how much in an atlanta or minneapolis

cannot believe these firms have enough work to pay a first year associate anything in the 6 figures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925905)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:33 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

check nalpdirectory

in case u haven't noticed like every fuckin company in america has LE issues and these national boutiques do a lot of work for the fortune 500 companies so definitely enough work to go around and it is recession proof basically

all the ones OP mentioned pay six figures in major markets.. probably even in shittier places like phoenix and atlanta too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925930)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

i can confirm all of the above. we represent a lot of household names. so do the other firms.

i'd say in a secondary market, starting pay is 110-120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925940)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

are all of these firms defense side? or both?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925948)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:37 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

management-only as far as i know. i don't think they dabble in plaintiffs/union work for obvious conflicts reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925959)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:38 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

% of the work is legitimately fucking over poor worker bros?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925963)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

basically 99%- from what ive seen all defense side firm's do is try to DESTROY an employee who sues a company.. u just say they were a horrible employee and they have all sorts of non-work related emotional issues.. just absolutely destroy a human being.. its fucking pathetic in a way that even other BIGLAW specialties arent as pathetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925995)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: Garnet Ape

lol at our divergent replies. You a plaintiff's side bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926011)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

i was not referring to whether the cases are legit or not.. i was just saying that in 99% of cases defense side LE lawyers will try to destory the fucking employee-plaintiff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926019)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

180, noticed that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926024)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM
Author: Garnet Ape

Maybe 10-20% of cases are legit,and most of those cases will settle.

Vast majority of Title VII cases are complete shit. I can't even imagine the aggregate cost to businesses per year from having to defend all this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925996)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

its their own fucking fault..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926013)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:31 PM
Author: wonderful station telephone

labor and employment? you should be able to get in house easily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925913)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:34 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

how do you get one of these gigs as a first year associate? didnt think they have SA programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925935)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch

lateral. i traded up, from a solo's office, which i suppose counts as shitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925944)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:36 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

know someone who got it after being UNEMPLOYED coming out of LS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925951)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

most of the big boutiques have summer associate programs but not as huge.. they look for LE experience..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926004)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:42 PM
Author: swashbuckling startling piazza dysfunction

I worked at a F500, before law school. Most of the L&E inhouse attorneys came from actual L&E firms. Then there was a separate group of "corporate" attorneys that worked on contracts and acquisitions and shit.

Big companies are constantly sued for employment issues. Essentially, any black, any female, minority, or person over 50 has a colorful claim when they are terminated. But it seemed like the L&E attorneys basically handled mundane FMLA, ADA, and some labor shit. They would be involved with the lawsuits, but it was mostly farmed out to firms.

These guys weren't doing super exciting shit, but they had pretty decent lives. Made mid 100s, got decent bonuses, and worked sane hours (no weekends for the most part). I got to know them because we regularly played golf together after work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925985)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM
Author: wonderful station telephone

this is why i wish i'd done L&E

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925997)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: cerebral parlor

dont any lit ppl who go inhouse just farm out work to law firms? i think inhouse lit ppl just fuckin supervise and monitor outside firms who actually handle all the lit BS.. that is why inhouse is so awesome.. u dont have to do 100 page discovery requests and shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926010)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: wonderful station telephone

that's what corp people do too (supervise outside counsel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926028)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 11:14 PM
Author: swashbuckling startling piazza dysfunction

Yes, they farmed out all trial work. The VP of the group (older attorney) supervised the trials. Seemed like the normal attorneys just monitored.

Day to day they handled LOTS of advisory stuff. Example: giving guidance to some redneck manager in Alabama to not retaliate against a lady with a disability (bullshit back injury). If a labor contract was up for negotiation, they would fly out and do that shit. If we needed to fire a union worker for missing work for the 10000th time, they'd pull out the CBA and give guidance.

Looking back and knowing what I know now, they really weren't doing any lawyerly shit you would do in a firm in terms of motion practice, etc.

BUT, they were "Legal." In-house prolish drones in the Corporate gave them mad respect. And instead of any random partner busting their balls/destroying their weekend, they just had one boss, like any other big company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926237)



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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:37 AM
Author: Diverse chapel

At my megacrop, if the potential liability crosses a certain monetary threshold or has some particular penalty (like a loss of license, etc) then it'll get farmed out. The lit attorney then essentially oversees it acting as the middle person between the business and outside counsel.

There are times when a matter doesn't meet the criteria for going to outside counsel, so then they get more heavily involved. Analyzing the issue to see whether the other side has a valid claim/dispute, and whether we should just pay now, negotiate the claim, or flat out reject.

They also get involved before there is a dispute when you know one is going to happen (either someone fucked up or we're about to deliver some really bad news to a counterparty, etc). We'll generally give them some background, and they may give us some guidance as to how to do it or that they may want to be on the call, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#34036309)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM
Author: stubborn nofapping son of senegal temple

why do firms even bother hiring minorities; seems like costs are too high

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926017)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: Violent yellow principal's office

just do exit to regular "biglaw"

(Jill Filapovic)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926014)



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Date: April 3rd, 2013 12:41 PM
Author: mildly autistic home kitty

i was looking at jackson lewis and littler. seems like they had a lot of F100 clients and people who left went in-house a lot into the clients.

i hate littler, btw. they're all from ttts and were super hostile toward me. jackson lewis had really nice folks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22928683)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch



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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:28 AM
Author: navy death wish organic girlfriend



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: lemon lay multi-billionaire

State?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132168)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: vivacious messiness

If you do L&E, just chop your balls off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132175)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 5:57 AM
Author: odious sanctuary athletic conference

coke and trannies, apparently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661234)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:00 AM
Author: idiotic marketing idea brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661346)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:03 AM
Author: talking affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661350)