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Date: September 4th, 2013 11:33 PM Author: Big-titted wrinkle location
preftige is laughable (anyone outside of BIGLAW thinks you do the same thing as those mesothelioma shitlaw firms they see on tv)
money is not really that good for the hours and compared to medicine, finance, dentistrry and plumbing
people hate lawyers
law is boring as fukk
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Date: September 4th, 2013 11:35 PM Author: Medicated fragrant ratface prole
of you climb the latter, the money is great
lawyers still have cache with the general public
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Date: September 5th, 2013 12:14 PM Author: Ruddy parlor
not evveryone advertises their career moves on xoxohth. i personally know several people who made in house moves in SV, both with and without tech trans backgrounds, and to both commercial K positions and otherwise
in house people are looking for like 20% technical skill, 80% personality/fit. most people interviewing are capable of doing the job.
first thing you have to get out of your head is that what you're doing is rocket science. it's not, people know it's not, treating it like the sacred altar of knowledge is just going to turn people off. in house you are not a revenue generator, you are a cost center, 99% of the contracts you work on are not going to get litigated so no one gives a shit. you are NOT special, so if you come in with that attitude you're nto goign to work out. easier not to hire you in the first place, esp when there are 200 other qualified candidates applying
the other thing you have to do is be a normal fucking person. most in hosue lawyers left biglaw because they didnt like the [work/stress/client/people/other lawyers/insert whatever here], they dont want more reminders of how shitty the biglaw culture/attitude is. there is a ton of rage/bitterness/braggadacio in your posts. i'm pretty sure you dont come across as the most friendly guy in person, nor smoeone that i or anyoen else would want to work with. tone it the hell down, chill out, smoke some weed befoer an interview if you need to. don't brag about your work - your line about "not being reviewed by partners!" is lol, that is the norm in silicon valley and you will get laughed at if that is your selling point. dont show up other people like your original interview.
in sum
1. show that you are a chill dood
2. show that they would enjoy working with you
3. show that you're not the typical aspie biglaw stereotype
4. show examples of how you can acccomodate your internal business clietns while still keeping a firm enough hand that you can manage risk - cant bend too much one way or the other. no one wants an power tripping lawyer, and they want someone who will get pushed around by biz guys slightly less
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10. show that you are technically capable of the work
your problem is that you are starting with #10 (based solely on your posts here) since that is your strength, but that's not what they are looking for dawg. good luck.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996616) |
Date: September 5th, 2013 10:37 AM Author: alcoholic disgusting shrine hissy fit
Exit options used to be worth it but now its like a dart board. Every person I know considering LS I tell them to stay away. The "good ol days" are gone since 2008 and not likely coming back. I'm still amazed after I explain how it works people still want to go. I don't understand why they are thick headed like that.
I disliked the hours but never hated my life because at times it was pretty engaging. I was lucky to have good co workers overall, too. What I really didn't like was notwithstanding that there was still way to many social rejects that had to be navigated, especially the partners. I guess as noted above Biglaw attracts those people I suppose.
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Date: September 5th, 2013 1:01 PM Author: alcoholic disgusting shrine hissy fit
Ya, I meant more "good ol days" where you had good exit options and that made it worth it even with the hours.
2000-2007 was brutal for working, but you had a carrot to move toward for and after 3-5 years you could reasonably expect to land in house or outplace without too much trauma (more corporate).
Prior to that as you say the 80s-90s you could even make partner or lateral out to counsel / partner if you wanted that life.
All that is gone now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996869) |
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Date: September 5th, 2013 11:07 AM Author: heady toilet seat
IP transactional generally also requires skills that are beyond most attorneys graduating from T14s. I think Earl is talking about the most generic biglaw practices that 90% of grads with biglaw funnel into.
MBB requires skills just to get into it. Biglaw generally doesn't. Just get a good LSAT score, which gets you into a good law school, get decent grades and don't drool during OCI and you're done. I guess the bar is significantly higher for grades and not drooling these days, but the idea is the same. Getting into law school doesn't require that you went to a decent undergrad or ever worked a non-McJob (or at all). It requires zero technical skills.
To get your MBA you needed to go to a decent enough Ugrad to get a good job. You need to know math well enough for a top GMAT score. You need to apply those skills PLUS social skills at an MBA program to get good grades. Then you have to pass an interview that is actually an oral exam based on fact patterns, unlike biglaw where you just show up and answer retarded softballs like "why [practice group]?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996282) |
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Date: September 5th, 2013 11:51 AM Author: motley pit azn
yeah, but only because i have science training was i able to pick up on that shit. the point is the group would have never hired me, nor would i ever have been given an opportunity at tech. trans., if i didn't have some prerequisite technical training. obviously translating that technical training into appropriate legal verbiage is another step in the learning curve (i.e., a strong technical background is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to doing well in this particular practice).
and btw, i routinely advise my clients on whether to fucking pull the trigger on major enterprise customer relationships, and i've never been overruled. obviously not every T14 ---> BIGLAW person is doing this, but THAT'S THE POINT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996511) |
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Date: September 5th, 2013 11:56 AM Author: tantric impressive idiot hell
"i routinely advise my clients"
Thanks, but this is not your resume or linkedin page. We all know that the partner is advising the client, not you, and it's HIS client not yours. But yes I'm sure you're very good at the bitchwork you do for him/her.
I'm sure your shitty STEM degree was of some very minimal use to you in learning this shit, but nothing here makes you a special snowflake. If you actually had a good STEM degree you would have gone the patent route.
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Date: September 5th, 2013 11:59 AM Author: motley pit azn
you're beginning to make a lot of assumptions here. a large number of clients i currently have, i brought over with me from another firm. at that firm, the one IP trans. practice group partner left to go in-house and i had a pretty unique opportunity to take over a clientele.
also, the patent route is bullshit. i started out as a patent agent before LS, but the patent prosecution system is so broken that shit is more interesting from the transactional or even lit. perspective. try dealing with patent examiners for any length of time, who are largely driven by factors apart from substance, and you quickly realize that patent pros. is KILLSELF territory.
i'd rather do the stuff i do now, part of which is helping companies strategically acquire certain patent assets for offensive/defensive outcomes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996542) |
Date: September 5th, 2013 11:05 AM Author: Out-of-control Hairy Legs Base
From my experience doing tax, the positives were:
-smart, motivated coworkers - everyone gets shit done rather than dragging their feet constantly like in the corporate world
-good training in valuable skill set (I make about $400k working 9-6 in-house now)
-opportunity to do lots of writing for a high salary
-ability to bill meals to clients
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2354624&forum_id=2#23996276)
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