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What is the problem with Jezebel/Slate privilege writing?

I don't like how it makes everyone out to be an enemy of me ...
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xo posters enjoy their privilege and don't like to see it ch...
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it's an absurd strain of mutated postmodern pop-psychology g...
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i only have 1-3 FB friends who talk about this stuff and i a...
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(White male deciding that white male privilege isn't a big d...
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there are aspects of it that are pretty fucking minor when v...
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hey shrewmo, still claiming to be a white male?
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Brother, I think you're smart, but what you wrote comes acro...
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okay. let's say i run an exploitative manure business. i h...
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...or, even better, you deliberately pay her slightly less t...
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truly mean this ty. ty.
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holy shit 180
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this is completely implausible. i mean, i appreciate that it...
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it's simplified and didactic, but let me put it into more ge...
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but the further question surely is whether there's a saturat...
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It is a distraction that people cannot compartmentalize.
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i suspect that when one or the other comes to predominate in...
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well we've already assumed that, but how does it happen? i'm...
purple set
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i think you CAN have both "identity" and class str...
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Obviously, there is a lot of deflection going on in the publ...
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the "identity" issues precisely are the internal/t...
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Class identity and gender identity are the same sort of thin...
irradiated office filthpig
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traditional leftism wasn't about class "identity"....
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Which gave rise to class consciousness
irradiated office filthpig
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who cares?
bistre internal respiration roommate
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The structural determinism argument implied in Marxist and n...
irradiated office filthpig
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Plenty of serious accounts of "struggle" have been...
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lol you are having a lot of trouble stepping outside the box...
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Structural determinism can mean he subordination of the soci...
irradiated office filthpig
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ok, you're just defining technical terms with more technical...
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What he literally means is that sometimes, things like langu...
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but "how we think" isn't even really at issue! wha...
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch03.ht...
irradiated office filthpig
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yes, exactly. marx's point there is: fuck consciousness, rea...
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You asked whether leftists think about "consciousness&q...
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the question is whether classic leftist desiderata include a...
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Ever think that maybe 'scholars' talk about things like cons...
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So, he would argue that 'how we think' is an important issue...
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Now That's What I Call Scholarship! maybe that's the fund...
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Thought you wanted definitions. We are talking about why act...
irradiated office filthpig
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actual, literal stuff matters for obvious reasons, like peop...
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do u ever think maybe u guys have recourse to language like ...
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kill yourself
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Even so (pretty sure this isn't the 'cause' of class conscio...
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It is precisely because class and gender are importantly dis...
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but we have 2 cumpare things 2 other things (sociology prof
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That's one of the many absurdities of the "left," ...
salmon galvanic hairy legs
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I meant that no serious academic account of race in American...
irradiated office filthpig
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Well, okay, no shit. But plenty of "serious accounts&q...
salmon galvanic hairy legs
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E.g., not Jezebel but respected journals. I am responding to...
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Are there 'respected journals' in this area? What are they?...
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what does it mean to be a serious account of race or class? ...
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A serious account is, ex hypothesi, any account that include...
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Cr. I think women and minorities would question why a bunch...
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Many if not most complaints about privilege come from whites...
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look: it's 50/50. either the grievances are important or the...
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"the further question surely is whether there's a satur...
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So you think post-modern critical theory was essentially co-...
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parts of it. my limited reading of the frankfurt school and...
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Most writing in the Frankfurt school was elitist and neo-Mar...
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Here's a little bit about Chomsky talking about the move awa...
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there's no fucking way you actually believe this sentence: ...
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A for effort, but B- in terms of actual scholarship
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They're white men and don't like it when people point out th...
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Problems progressives should be worrying about (wealth/incom...
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the american left isn't THAT big to begin with... can it act...
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holy shit, well put
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Bumping a 180 thread.
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Thanls. Good read.
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Date: February 7th, 2014 7:51 PM
Author: hairraiser violent senate

I don't like how it makes everyone out to be an enemy of me (white male), but what's xo's essential point here? Is it a "trade off" argument? That focus on "privilege" is a distraction from bigger issues like class/economic welfare?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975357)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 12:34 PM
Author: Marvelous idiotic queen of the night scourge upon the earth

(Beta power bottom)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24978066)



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Date: October 26th, 2016 2:49 AM
Author: ocher electric cuckold

bump for ned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31728912)



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Date: October 26th, 2016 2:51 AM
Author: vivacious red brunch personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31728919)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:18 PM
Author: hairraiser violent senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975470)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:19 PM
Author: Insecure Gay Property

xo posters enjoy their privilege and don't like to see it challenged

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975473)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:21 PM
Author: hairraiser violent senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975485)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:22 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

it's an absurd strain of mutated postmodern pop-psychology gene-spliced into naked corporatist dreck.

it's horrible. it basically gelds leftism as a movement capable of afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted by redefining the meaning of "affliction" to disregard economics.

you'd think that would be immediately seen as a bareassed ploy in a capitalist society such as ours, but actually, it is rarely called out on that basis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975493)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:26 PM
Author: plum step-uncle's house

i only have 1-3 FB friends who talk about this stuff and i always want to say "how about you don't sweat the small stuff and try to advocate for healthcare instead"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975518)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:55 PM
Author: Bateful rambunctious toilet seat

(White male deciding that white male privilege isn't a big deal)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975844)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 4:21 AM
Author: Fragrant Spruce Headpube

there are aspects of it that are pretty fucking minor when viewed with any sense of perspective, and yet are zeroed in on by gawker/jezebel tards with a laser-like focus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977132)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:36 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

hey shrewmo, still claiming to be a white male?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977220)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:27 PM
Author: hairraiser violent senate

Brother, I think you're smart, but what you wrote comes across like academic goobly-gook. I'm asking you in specific terms to explain why it's a big deal? Are you saying it's a trade-off argument moving leftist interest away from redistribution toward vague notions of egalitarianism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975522)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 8:45 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

okay. let's say i run an exploitative manure business. i hire guys to shovel shit for me into sacks and barrels, and then we sell them to feed stores. i'm a really abusive manager; i do drugs on the job, i whip people, i shoot my guys with paintballs, and i don't even pay very well.

you are a traditional leftist agitator. you hear these abuse stories from my employees, and it makes you really mad. "that manager is a real dick!" you exclaim. you focus on my behavior, and on the worker/management chasm, and your view of rights and obligations is framed in economic terms.

but you see, i am a bit ahead of the game. i know that leftist agitators are coming after me. so i transfer nominal control of my business to a board of directors, and i make sure that the new CEO is female. even better if she's a mexican immigrant or something. the shit-shovelers at my business are primarily white men.

as a leftist agitator from the old-school, this would not have bothered you. queen victoria was just as much of a capitalist bitch as anyone else, right? you had no sympathy for the coiffured matrons of the ruling classes, whether here or in latin america or wherever else. why the fuck would you? that would be SILLY relative to the plight of the workers.

but then modernity descends, and your fellow leftists begin to rephrase the whole game in terms of gender and race. my immigrant chick CEO is now a "minority" rather than a slavedriver. her story is one of "glass ceilings" rather than workers shoveling shit for her.

you can try and go against this narrative, and go on TV with her downtrodden employees complaining about their conditions, but you are ignored. and when you aren't ignored, you are attacked. why are you trying to drag down HER, of all people? are you mad that a MINORITY WOMAN is running the show? those whiny shit-heaver MEN should just have to GET OVER THEMSELVES and DEAL with it! grrrl power la raza squared!

even if you think these people are insane, you are still a man of the left who is not getting any sort of support from conservatives for your labor agitation. so you have little choice but to placate your purported allies.

so you back off. and then people like you also back off. and the old modes of leftism gradually wither, because your ability to critique power is now circumscribed by the "identities" of those IN power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975597)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:29 PM
Author: glittery market marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975777)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:35 PM
Author: drab greedy sound barrier school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975785)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:36 PM
Author: useless soul-stirring private investor

...or, even better, you deliberately pay her slightly less than you were making. after THE SHIT HITS THE FAN at your CALLOUS MISTREATMENT OF A MINORITY WOMAN, during which nobody pays attention to your workers because THERE'S A WISE LATINA BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY, you "agree to be a more evolved board" by giving her a fat raise while simultaneously cutting wages for your shit-shovelers. BAM!! ALL PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN SOLVED AND YOU ARE NOW A SAINT. ALL HAIL SAINT HEMIDEMISEMIPUMO, ILLUSTRIOUS WAGE EQUALITY MASTER PERSON.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975788)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:36 PM
Author: hairraiser violent senate

truly mean this ty. ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975789)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:37 PM
Author: razzmatazz gold temple

holy shit 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975794)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:40 PM
Author: thriller milk corner

this is completely implausible. i mean, i appreciate that it's not easy to compose this kind of shit off the top of your head, but just be aware that this attempt was not a success at illustrating your point of view persuasively.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975803)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:04 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

it's simplified and didactic, but let me put it into more general terms.

economic class is a category. it's a very "strong" category for a lot of purposes, which means we can look at class alone and make a whole lot of predictions about lifestyle and so forth.

gender and race are also categories, but they aren't as predictive in many ways. if i know someone's gender and the town where she lives, i can't readily use that information to predict where she lives WITHIN the town. but if i knew her class and NOT her gender, i could.

class is also a powerful category because it has very specific correlations with things like life expectancy. it's very easy to see in tangible terms why being lower-class is shittier than being upper-class.

this is not something that corporatists like to see, because the traditional method of redress for class struggle is to take money or power in some fashion from those who hold a lot of it, and send it down the chain.

so the problem over time has been to defuse or deflect class anger, to protect the interests of entrenched wealth and power, and to destroy the use of "class" as a rallying point.

this is more important over time as more americans slip from the middle classes INTO the lower classes. class rage is often prompted by these kinds of downshifts. poor born poor tend to just be poor, but people with resources who then BECOME poor are often quite enraged, and search for systemic responses.

to weaken the use of "class," you must replace it with something. preferably, several things. and those new categories should avoid invoking traditional class demands such as wealth redistribution.

gender/race are wonderful from that perspective. as categories, they actually ENCOURAGE members of the most economically-privileged classes to depict themselves as "victims", and to promote a sense of false allegiance across economic classes.

so for instance the book "lean in" was targeted to "women," even though it mostly just describes a bunch of kerfuffles that took place well within the very top end of the wealthiest classes.

this is like a billionaire show-stallion aficionado pretending to make common cause with a shoeless peasant laborer and his donkey because they are both "horsemen."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975874)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:09 PM
Author: glittery market marketing idea

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975889)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:10 PM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975900)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:12 PM
Author: purple set

but the further question surely is whether there's a saturation point for victimhood in pop culture or whether there can for some reason only be either class-based or identity-based victimhood narratives. why can't we have both?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975912)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:14 PM
Author: glittery market marketing idea

It is a distraction that people cannot compartmentalize.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975927)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:14 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

i suspect that when one or the other comes to predominate in the mass-media, it attains a decisive advantage over the other set of grievances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975930)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:23 PM
Author: purple set

well we've already assumed that, but how does it happen? i'm not saying i disagree with your thesis because i think you're right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975956)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:31 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

i think you CAN have both "identity" and class struggles at the same time under certain conditions. icelanders seemed to do both. their women are very feisty, but the population is very economically "conscious," and became one of the only countries to tell foreign bankers to fuck right off (at least in part).

but their pre-existing substrate of shared identity was quite strong beforehand. they share a limited geographic area and most people are within four degrees of a cousin relation to most others.

in an area where more fissures "compete" for attention, those which win out in the media will probably have strong and immediate visual impact, and race/gender categories certainly fulfill that wish. and that's without getting into corporate ownership/ulterior media motives and so on.

people in the west generally don't like to be categorized as lower-class, either. a lot of shame attaches to that. category identifications are a point of pride, which is why i think the focus on identity will ultimately be a disaster for the left. what happens if/when "male whites" assert themselves as a category in the same manner as others? for now, they mostly get mocked, but if the political paradigm remains identity-focused, it seems inevitable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975989)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:27 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Obviously, there is a lot of deflection going on in the public sphere and most of it has to do with the public learning that what we come to call a democracy is an illusion. Over time, people learn that there is nothing they can do, which is amplified by American narratives of individualism and bootstraps. As this happens, the public shifts the focus inward and away from the ruling class, focusing on internal issues (how do I change my thinking) and issues that are either seen within the locus of their control or issues that are trivial.

Writing on these issues completely understands this, often connecting it to concepts like false consciousness, hegemony, and ideology which neoMarxists and feminists equally love. Thus, "identity" and "class" struggles are not separated nor separatable. No one argues that to talk, e.g., of a black woman's struggle means to disregard political economy. Clickbait blogs simplify issues but that is the nature of clickbait blogs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977213)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:30 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

the "identity" issues precisely are the internal/trivial issues brother. the issues are completely separable; it's just a theoretical conceit to speak of them in the same language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977216)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:38 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Class identity and gender identity are the same sort of thing. This is what the poster above defines as categories. It seems obvious to me that these categories interact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977221)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:39 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

traditional leftism wasn't about class "identity". it was about class per se and the distribution of actual stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977222)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:41 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Which gave rise to class consciousness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977223)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:42 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

who cares?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977226)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:49 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

The structural determinism argument implied in Marxist and neo-Marxist theory is the reason academics today claim that class, race, and gender are interlocked. My point was to highlight the fact that no serious account of structural struggle dismisses the importance of class, income, and resources, although many point out that this category interlocks with others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977230)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:54 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Plenty of serious accounts of "struggle" have been given wholly along class lines. In fact, probably the only serious accounts have had that shape. Less serious "accounts" focus on class, race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. about in proportion to their seriousness--the less serious they are, the more they talk about this shit. Until, at long last, you get people who do weird nonsense to their own names.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977232)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:54 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

lol you are having a lot of trouble stepping outside the box of your nonsense language, aren't you? this is one reason i hate this sector of the academy: it's basically a meeting from dilbert or office space or fight club or whatever, buzzwords being thrown around like so much "synergy" and so many "action items" in a powerpoint hellscape festooned with thorny citation garlands.

so let's try making some actual sense.

- what is "structural struggle"? that's not actually what traditional leftists cared about, right? they cared about the distribution of resources and the distribution of the means of production. why should they care about "structural struggle" now?

- what is the structural determinism "argument"? what are its premises and what is its conclusion?

- what does it mean for "categories" to be "interlocked" and why should this matter? won't all categories be interlocked with these, general as they are? for example: height and attractiveness will both influence class. do i need to start complaining about askav's "tall privilege" and write a memo about ways in which he can be an "ally" to me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977233)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:04 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Structural determinism can mean he subordination of the social ‘superstructure’ to the techno-economic ‘base’ or merely the idea that the pre-given structure of some signifying system determines the subjectivity of individuals who are subjected to it. This is where the concept of hegemony unites the Frankfurt schoolers Hemi mentions and most feminists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977243)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:06 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

ok, you're just defining technical terms with more technical terms. what the hell do you take "subjectivity" to mean here? in what sense is "subjectivity" "determined" by a "signifying system"? why do we care about "signifying systems" here anyway? i thought we cared about LITERAL STUFF, how it's made and distributed, and who has to work to make it and who gets to sit in their nice upholstered chairs and smoke their cigars. that's what traditional leftism was, right? you've got workers killing themselves to get shit done and you have cigar-smokers chuckling and counting their bills. where the hell do signifying systems come into it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977244)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:10 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

What he literally means is that sometimes, things like language can shape how we think. Other things can shape how we think too, like how we grow up, what gender we are, etc.

That's what all that gobbledygook was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977248)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:14 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

but "how we think" isn't even really at issue! what the fuck? i mean, in a certain sense it is, but what we really care about is the fact that the guys who get the cigars also get the means of production and all the food and all the nice shit, right? and the workers don't get anything? that's class "struggle" or whatever, i thought. the fact that some ridiculous theory generalizes this to "signifying systems" is of no interest to the real leftist. it's as though i ordered food at a restaurant and the waiter said "even better, sir! food is one kind of physical thing, so here are all sorts of physical things for you to eat: plastics, pianos, planets, particles... furthermore, eating is a kind of input-output procedure. so is visual perception; so just by having you look at these things, i'm giving you a 'serious account' of sustenance." oh what a motherfucking scholar!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977252)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:22 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

http://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch03.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977257)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:25 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

yes, exactly. marx's point there is: fuck consciousness, real stuff is what's important. our "subjectivity" or whatever blinds us to "true human needs" - what do you take true human needs to be? the need not to have miley cyrus's terrible bullshit "appropriate" you or whatever, or the need to eat a motherfucking meal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977260)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:33 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

You asked whether leftists think about "consciousness" and they do. Because of the earlier Frankfurt conversation, I linked Fromm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977271)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:34 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

the question is whether classic leftist desiderata include anything to do with "subjectivity", "signifying systems", etc. can you show me in clear terms that they do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977273)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:38 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Ever think that maybe 'scholars' talk about things like consciousness, signifying systems, etc. so that they can make it relevant to their own lives when they go to dinner parties? Maybe because they don't know any poor people, they don't care? It would fit pretty well with Hemi's account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeG4EMmqfag

I know you probably hate this guy, but I think his basic notion is right. I've seen both sides of it. I wonder if the cultural mores, concerns, and unity of the white elite drive academic production as well--after all, why accept for publication papers and books not addressed to concerns that have some purchase with the panel of elite referees for the submission?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977277)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:25 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

So, he would argue that 'how we think' is an important issue, but two things about that. First, as you note, it wasn't really what we were talking about. (But "left" intellectuals like to do that--introduce 'essential' concepts midstream. "We can't talk about x without talking about y!" [said 2 hours into the lecture]) Second, '''''''''''' talks about 'subjectivity', but that's a pretty tendentious way to talk about, say, class consciousness. I am pretty sure that even Marx doesn't agree with that, good Hegelian that he was. 'Subjectivity' is a more bedrock concept than class consciousness.

You're right re: class struggle, of course. Sensible people talk about things in this way, Marx talked about things in this way, etc. But where you part company from '''''''''''''''' and from academia in general is when you say that "real leftists" don't talk as ''''''''''''''''' does. That's not true; that's pretty much how they talk these days. There are exceptions--so, some serious-minded left economists, historians, political scientists, statesmen/cabinet members, and analytic philosophers write sensible papers and books about class. But the rest of the left abandoned that project in the 70s. The 80s and beyond have been luxuriant nonsense of the kind ''''''''''''' is spouting. I like Hemi's account of its origins. Seems right to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977261)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 3:30 PM
Author: zombie-like tanning salon

Now That's What I Call Scholarship!

maybe that's the fundamental problem - moving "narratives" of identity from things that can be measured at least somewhat objectively (class) to things that cannot be measured (and therefore cannot be questioned or even investigated) like the invisible knapsack.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24978776)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:13 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Thought you wanted definitions. We are talking about why actual, literal stuff matters and that is where subjectivity comes in. Leftist thinkers talk about both.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977250)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:15 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

actual, literal stuff matters for obvious reasons, like people die if they can't eat and shit like that. i don't really care about "leftist thinkers" if they're jezebel shitlibs; if they're old-style marxists who care about the guys with the cigars, then talking about their views might go a ways towards showing that the new fuckers are actually responsive to the old project.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977254)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:15 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

do u ever think maybe u guys have recourse to language like that bcuz (just spitballing here) u have no fucking clue what ure talking about

also, how mad does it make you (scale of hegemony to jouissance) that xo women slick the'yir panties for bonobo sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977255)



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Date: May 27th, 2014 4:20 PM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25639080)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:06 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5a93wABHNM#t=1m12s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977245)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:14 AM
Author: drab greedy sound barrier school cafeteria

kill yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977253)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:43 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Even so (pretty sure this isn't the 'cause' of class consciousness, but rather the lived circumstances and close proximity and shared experiences of folk in the same class), this says nothing about gender, race, etc. or about how productive it is to treat them like class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977227)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:41 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

It is precisely because class and gender are importantly dissimilar that treating them as similar presents a real problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977224)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:43 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

but we have 2 cumpare things 2 other things (sociology prof

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977228)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:47 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

That's one of the many absurdities of the "left," so-called. Sword-mo mentions that they "let the contradictions pile up." That seems about right. So on the one hand you have "intersectionality," which is basically the notion that we can study 'intersections' of oppression. (So, what is it like to be a woman vs. what is it like to be a black woman.) Yet, on the other hand, we have the nostrum that we "should not compare oppressions," (sometimes rendered as "do not compare -isms"). It seems to me like a debate about whether it matters that the angels on the pin are jitterbugging or doing the Charleston, but, point is, they can't even agree whether it's okay to discuss the very thing they nominally study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977229)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:56 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

I meant that no serious academic account of race in American history and politics does not also talk about class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977234)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:58 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Well, okay, no shit. But plenty of "serious accounts" (what does this even mean?) of class ignore everything else entirely--as well they should.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977235)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:00 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

E.g., not Jezebel but respected journals. I am responding to Hemi's point about deflection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977237)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:03 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Are there 'respected journals' in this area? What are they? Name them. I'll let you know if I respect them or not.

Anyway, as I mentioned, there are plenty of respected (and, more importantly, respectable) accounts of class that don't even really touch on all of these glimmer issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977240)



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Date: February 14th, 2014 1:38 PM
Author: Pungent contagious cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25017860)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:00 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

what does it mean to be a serious account of race or class? it's fairly clear what it means to be a serious account of, say, the completeness of first-order logic, or the structure of the atom, or even of hamlet's decision to postpone his uncle's killing. what do we want from a serious account in this arena?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977236)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:01 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

A serious account is, ex hypothesi, any account that includes all of the things that '''''''''''''''' thinks are important for accounts to have. So, an account cannot be serious, by definition, without gender, race, etc. It's important to let your accountant know when it's time to do your taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977239)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:06 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

cot damn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977246)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 10:35 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac persian psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#36847820)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:18 PM
Author: Bateful rambunctious toilet seat

Cr. I think women and minorities would question why a bunch of white men get to tell them that their grievances aren't important.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975939)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 4:45 AM
Author: Excitant bonkers goyim french chef

Many if not most complaints about privilege come from whites, and a substantial percentage come from white men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977152)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:42 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

look: it's 50/50. either the grievances are important or they're not. whether they are or aren't has nothing to do with the "identities" of the people on the two sides of that debate, if there is one. this post aptly demonstrates the ways in which thoroughgoing relativism kneecaps the left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977225)



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Date: October 4th, 2016 9:32 PM
Author: crystalline exciting sneaky criminal

"the further question surely is whether there's a saturation point for victimhood in pop culture"

Yes, and it doesn't even take that much. A few issues are all we can focus on at any one time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31559091)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:14 PM
Author: thriller milk corner

So you think post-modern critical theory was essentially co-opted by capitalists to distract well-educated liberals from advocating for meaningful social change?

EDIT:

I mean, to me, it seems pretty close to universally shittier to be a woman than a man. That disparity deserves some attention. So does racial injustice, for that matter. I think saying "Forget that other stuff, it's not as important as CLASS" is arbitrary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975928)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:23 PM
Author: Transparent appetizing friendly grandma

parts of it. my limited reading of the frankfurt school and other earlier critical theory movements (proto-orientalism; that kind of thing) is that the initial stuff was actually quite elitist. adorno bashed the hell out of jazz and said that it castrated men because it channeled their subversive urges into a form that was harmless to the larger system.

their use of "identity" was secondary to class. and some of the orientalist/postcolonial writing was basically just a plea from third-world intellectuals for western intellectuals to pay attention to them.

this really began to swing around into a more modern form by the later 1970's. the failed "equal rights amendment" in the US and abortion/contraception battles helped refocus things into gender terms, and post-60's race-identity movements became more prominent within universities.

corporations can be quite good at identifying and taking advantage of those sorts of early trends, and that is what happened.

the traditional old left - having fractured itself, and debilitated by the final end of soviet communism - was not well-positioned to resist. though some tried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975955)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:34 AM
Author: irradiated office filthpig

Most writing in the Frankfurt school was elitist and neo-Marxist, stemming from the question why the revolution never happened. The answer lies in the "culture industry" with the argument being that dominant culture caters to the interests of upper class males and media producing leaders ("culture" not recognizably different from "identity").

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977218)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 6:34 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

Here's a little bit about Chomsky talking about the move away from comprehensible (which might be code for non-identity-based) political action toward nonsense (which may as well be code for identity politics): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzrHwDOlTt8#t=1m15s

he basically agrees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977219)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 4:14 AM
Author: zombie-like tanning salon

there's no fucking way you actually believe this sentence:

"I mean, to me, it seems pretty close to universally shittier to be a woman than a man."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977114)



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Date: February 12th, 2014 12:58 PM
Author: mustard den

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25003070)



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Date: October 26th, 2016 3:00 AM
Author: Curious saffron international law enforcement agency

I just can't believe how fucking quick you are with these responses, 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31728941)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 4:27 AM
Author: Fragrant Spruce Headpube

it's a parable dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977141)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:42 PM
Author: concupiscible indigo rigor area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975808)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:44 PM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975811)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:49 PM
Author: purple set

rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975831)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:54 PM
Author: Chartreuse Sickened Space Party Of The First Part

A for effort, but B- in terms of actual scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975837)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:54 PM
Author: thriller milk corner

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975838)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 10:08 PM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs

fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975883)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:54 PM
Author: big-titted multi-colored windowlicker locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975839)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:58 PM
Author: Bateful rambunctious toilet seat

LOL@ pretending that the shit shovelers are mostly white men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975853)



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Date: February 12th, 2014 12:56 PM
Author: mustard den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25003060)



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Date: February 14th, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: Pungent contagious cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25017880)



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Date: September 4th, 2014 5:40 PM
Author: Poppy Diverse Hell Haunted Graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#26267643)



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Date: October 4th, 2016 9:29 PM
Author: crystalline exciting sneaky criminal

"those whiny shit-heaver MEN should just have to GET OVER THEMSELVES and DEAL with it!"

White male fragility, they call it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31559041)



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Date: October 4th, 2016 9:33 PM
Author: jet heaven reading party

outstanding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31559098)



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Date: October 4th, 2016 10:31 PM
Author: jade submissive factory reset button

Einhundertachtzig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31560082)



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Date: October 26th, 2016 2:59 AM
Author: Adventurous faggotry mad-dog skullcap

You just articulated what I find so enraging about modern liberalism but could never quite define.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#31728937)



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Date: February 14th, 2014 1:13 PM
Author: Pungent contagious cuckoldry

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25017723)



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Date: February 7th, 2014 9:59 PM
Author: Bateful rambunctious toilet seat

They're white men and don't like it when people point out that white men are privileged. They prefer to delude themselves into believing that they got to where they are based on their merit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24975857)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 4:42 AM
Author: Excitant bonkers goyim french chef

Problems progressives should be worrying about (wealth/income inequality) are becoming increasingly significant while the stuff they're actually paying attention to (like whether or not an inane pop star using black dancer is racial exploitation) is becoming increasingly petty.

While there are some real examples of privilege, most of the concerns discussed are exaggerated nonsense. It's creepy and frustrating to see seemingly mentally able adults buying into things that the crumble under the slightest questioning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977151)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:31 AM
Author: zombie-like tanning salon

the american left isn't THAT big to begin with... can it actually AFFORD in concrete polisci power/electoral terms to go mitosis on itself and split up into quarreling fragments?

also, if any given property "X" INTERSECTS with "class," isn't that only meaningful so far as the class status is concerned?

so if gender intersects with class, but a certain number of women are filthy fucking rich, that kind of overrides everything else, doesn't it? oh, but maybe their plutocrat husbands condescend to them sometimes after getting back to the manor. that vitiates the whole pre-identitarian model then; better focus on gender now!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977269)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 7:33 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

holy shit, well put

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24977272)



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Date: February 10th, 2014 11:00 AM
Author: salmon galvanic hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24988977)



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Date: February 12th, 2014 1:10 PM
Author: Elite gas station

this is just another way of saying that women's concerns don't matter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25003122)



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Date: February 8th, 2014 12:32 PM
Author: Trip Jap

:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#24978056)



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Date: February 14th, 2014 1:10 PM
Author: puce circlehead

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25017705)



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Date: February 17th, 2014 8:21 PM
Author: zombie-like tanning salon

reminder libs, you are eating your own movement with this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25037631)



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Date: May 27th, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#25638951)



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Date: January 15th, 2015 11:04 AM
Author: Opaque principal's office

Bumping a 180 thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#27121928)



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Date: January 15th, 2015 11:30 AM
Author: cordovan theater trust fund

Thanls. Good read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#27122018)



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Date: January 15th, 2015 1:07 PM
Author: laughsome meetinghouse

It's the same garbage arguments over and over that don't address the point.

Of course there are major disparities between how people treat a generic white guy vs generic black guy. Of course the same is true about men vs women.

The idea that this would offend and confuse white people who niggerthread is hilarious. "But CLASS" also makes no sense as a response

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#27122427)



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Date: January 25th, 2015 5:59 AM
Author: bistre internal respiration roommate

ty!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#27181811)



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Date: January 25th, 2015 6:00 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone public bath laser beams



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Date: October 4th, 2016 9:16 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2016 9:45 PM
Author: vivacious red brunch personal credit line



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2488966&forum_id=2#36847739)