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RESOLVED: Beverly Hills 90210 was the best 90's show

To clarify, it was the show that best captured the zeitgeist...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/23/15
Seinfeld, actually.
Maroon diverse trump supporter brunch
  04/23/15
I think Seinfeld was the better show, but they were boomers ...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/23/15
Melrose Place was better
cocky flirting theater stage
  04/23/15
I want to agree but I can't because Melrose became unwatchab...
Talking insecure indian lodge milk
  04/23/15
FUCKING RACED HERE
floppy stage athletic conference
  04/07/16
X files
Cordovan idiot
  04/23/15
(fucking nerd)
Talking insecure indian lodge milk
  04/23/15
think I'd rather be an X Files nerd than a faggot "male...
Cordovan idiot
  04/23/15
...
Marvelous Blue Senate
  04/23/15
(DUDE WHO WATCHES ALIEN SOAP OPERAS)
Talking insecure indian lodge milk
  04/23/15
We were like 12-13 and talked to chicks about it on Fri/Thur...
autistic bawdyhouse
  04/07/16
no
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/23/15
Rewatched all of the X Files recently. The first 3 or 4 seas...
Crimson parlor indirect expression
  04/23/15
...
Cordovan idiot
  04/23/15
Captured the growing paranoia that the Powers That Be were p...
bat-shit-crazy plaza potus
  08/07/19
All of our worst fears verbalized in the 90s came true and n...
Cordovan idiot
  08/07/19
Without the zeitgeist clarification: Babylon 5 With the z...
Irradiated brass address
  04/23/15
cant argue with this.
Ruddy tattoo range
  04/23/15
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/23/15
the real world
dashing abusive den
  04/23/15
The 1st 3 seasons of that show, NYC, LA and SF were revoluti...
Talking insecure indian lodge milk
  04/23/15
...
Arrogant temple
  02/23/16
people had an attitude to them in the 90s that they didnt ha...
Seedy wrinkle rehab
  04/23/15
compare the attitude of the 90s to 2000s/10s.
Supple Faggotry
  04/23/15
i think that attitude stayed, but it got stretched thinner b...
Seedy wrinkle rehab
  04/23/15
Northern Exposure, actually.
Hideous Deer Antler Coffee Pot
  04/24/15
No
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/24/15
...
bat-shit-crazy plaza potus
  08/07/19
90210 was the shit until Brenda lost her cherry. After that ...
Big-titted thirsty property goal in life
  04/25/15
...
Talking insecure indian lodge milk
  02/23/16
The Simpsons (though maybe it's not technically a 90s show)
vivacious field half-breed
  04/25/15
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  02/23/16
90210 and SBTB are the most devastating one-two punch any er...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  02/23/16
...
floppy stage athletic conference
  04/07/16
...
bat-shit-crazy plaza potus
  08/07/19
...
Idiotic bronze business firm
  08/07/19
90210 for teens/young adults Friends for young adults ...
Supple Faggotry
  02/23/16
cr, but Friends was unwatchable faggot trash.
autistic bawdyhouse
  04/07/16
watching old eps of friends it wasn't THAT bad. some of the...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/07/16
I just never got into it. Watched it at the time because I ...
autistic bawdyhouse
  04/07/16
Friends sucked. It was not funny or interesting ever. If you...
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/07/16
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  03/22/17
in the top 10 list for sure, along with Seinfeld, Friends, S...
Supple Faggotry
  03/22/17
...
Supple Faggotry
  06/06/18
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  01/17/18
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  04/23/18
In the top 5 or 10 for sure
Supple Faggotry
  04/23/18
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  06/06/18
...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  08/07/19
Party of five was better in that genre
stirring crusty nibblets
  08/07/19
This this guy's coat!
Supple Faggotry
  08/07/19
lol no
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
one of the worst poasts I've read in some time
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  08/07/19
lol how’s the career Scott Wolf?
Cordovan idiot
  08/07/19
I remember when Lost was big and they came out with some sci...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  08/07/19
damn he's 51!
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  08/07/19
I had to look this up after your poast. pretty crazy, also s...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  08/07/19
it gets points for a young JLH but that show took whining to...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  08/07/19
Sliders. Comparing the tone of season 1 (mature contemplati...
bat-shit-crazy plaza potus
  08/07/19
huge early sliders fan. I can remember getting together at m...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  08/07/19
Some that haven't been mentioned: 7th Heaven The Tom Gre...
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
My so called life was the realistic east coast version of 90...
Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe
  08/07/19
for sure. each show i picked i think captures a segment of 9...
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
7th Heaven - never watched it so can't comment The Tom Gr...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  08/07/19
So the totality of the '90s is captured by a show about extr...
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
go rewatch it breh. many episodes about different people. ...
hyperactive volcanic crater crotch
  08/07/19
I think you make a good point that 90210 literally spanned t...
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19
7th Heaven is worth being in the conversation
bat-shit-crazy plaza potus
  08/07/19
cr.
Ruddy tattoo range
  08/07/19


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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:15 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

To clarify, it was the show that best captured the zeitgeist of the 90s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744782)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:15 PM
Author: Maroon diverse trump supporter brunch

Seinfeld, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744786)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:18 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

I think Seinfeld was the better show, but they were boomers and didn't capture the 90s as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744811)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:16 PM
Author: cocky flirting theater stage

Melrose Place was better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744791)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:19 PM
Author: Talking insecure indian lodge milk

I want to agree but I can't because Melrose became unwatchable after season 3 and 90210 held up until Brenda left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744819)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:54 PM
Author: floppy stage athletic conference

FUCKING RACED HERE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221674)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:19 PM
Author: Cordovan idiot

X files

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744824)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:19 PM
Author: Talking insecure indian lodge milk

(fucking nerd)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744825)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:24 PM
Author: Cordovan idiot

think I'd rather be an X Files nerd than a faggot "male" who watches 90210, which is literally a soap opera

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744869)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:26 PM
Author: Marvelous Blue Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744894)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:58 PM
Author: Talking insecure indian lodge milk

(DUDE WHO WATCHES ALIEN SOAP OPERAS)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27745125)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:48 PM
Author: autistic bawdyhouse

We were like 12-13 and talked to chicks about it on Fri/Thurs. It wasn't faggot then (although I assume my dad was just shaking his head).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221620)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:20 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744828)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:37 PM
Author: Crimson parlor indirect expression

Rewatched all of the X Files recently. The first 3 or 4 seasons are insanely good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744983)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:55 PM
Author: Cordovan idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27745107)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:17 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy plaza potus

Captured the growing paranoia that the Powers That Be were plotting against us, during the run up to 9/11

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652043)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:18 PM
Author: Cordovan idiot

All of our worst fears verbalized in the 90s came true and no one cares anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652045)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:20 PM
Author: Irradiated brass address

Without the zeitgeist clarification: Babylon 5

With the zeitgeist clarification: Farscape.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744833)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:20 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

cant argue with this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744838)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:21 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744839)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:21 PM
Author: dashing abusive den

the real world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744841)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:59 PM
Author: Talking insecure indian lodge milk

The 1st 3 seasons of that show, NYC, LA and SF were revolutionary. They literally warped my mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27745127)



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Date: February 23rd, 2016 12:44 PM
Author: Arrogant temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#29897043)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:26 PM
Author: Seedy wrinkle rehab

people had an attitude to them in the 90s that they didnt have in the 80s. 90210 captures that attitude well, i think. its a good choice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744889)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:35 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry

compare the attitude of the 90s to 2000s/10s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744970)



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Date: April 23rd, 2015 2:39 PM
Author: Seedy wrinkle rehab

i think that attitude stayed, but it got stretched thinner by time. there is better tech now, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27744996)



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Date: April 24th, 2015 1:03 PM
Author: Hideous Deer Antler Coffee Pot

Northern Exposure, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27750895)



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Date: April 24th, 2015 1:04 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27750901)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:15 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy plaza potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652035)



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Date: April 25th, 2015 7:31 AM
Author: Big-titted thirsty property goal in life

90210 was the shit until Brenda lost her cherry. After that there was no longer any point in watching. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27756266)



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Date: February 23rd, 2016 12:43 PM
Author: Talking insecure indian lodge milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#29897037)



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Date: April 25th, 2015 7:59 AM
Author: vivacious field half-breed

The Simpsons (though maybe it's not technically a 90s show)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#27756312)



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Date: February 23rd, 2016 10:20 AM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#29896293)



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Date: February 23rd, 2016 12:29 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

90210 and SBTB are the most devastating one-two punch any era of tv has ever seen. They covered all bases for that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#29896947)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:55 PM
Author: floppy stage athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221684)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:16 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy plaza potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652036)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:23 PM
Author: Idiotic bronze business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652076)



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Date: February 23rd, 2016 12:41 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry

90210 for teens/young adults

Friends for young adults

Seinfeld for adults

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#29897026)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:49 PM
Author: autistic bawdyhouse

cr, but Friends was unwatchable faggot trash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221631)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:53 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

watching old eps of friends it wasn't THAT bad. some of the actors are pretty good, and jennifer aniston spent the last 3-5 seasons of the show dressing sexy as fuckkk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221661)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:54 PM
Author: autistic bawdyhouse

I just never got into it. Watched it at the time because I felt like I had to because everyone did.

I was more of a Courtney Cox man until she got the implants, of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221680)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:14 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

Friends sucked. It was not funny or interesting ever. If you want a funny version of that show watch Living Single. Same show but with black people and actually funny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652027)



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Date: April 7th, 2016 2:45 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#30221599)



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Date: March 22nd, 2017 2:55 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#32889948)



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Date: March 22nd, 2017 2:56 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry

in the top 10 list for sure, along with Seinfeld, Friends, Simpsons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#32889955)



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Date: June 6th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#36195746)



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Date: January 17th, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#35178275)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#35902467)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:53 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry

In the top 5 or 10 for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#35902510)



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Date: June 6th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#36195741)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:03 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38651974)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:10 PM
Author: stirring crusty nibblets

Party of five was better in that genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652005)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:11 PM
Author: Supple Faggotry

This this guy's coat!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652013)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:12 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652017)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:12 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

one of the worst poasts I've read in some time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652018)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:16 PM
Author: Cordovan idiot

lol how’s the career Scott Wolf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652039)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:31 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

I remember when Lost was big and they came out with some scifi knockoff and got Scott Wolf to star. too fucking funny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652119)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:36 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

damn he's 51!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652159)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:59 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

I had to look this up after your poast. pretty crazy, also some wiki trivia: married a Real World castmate, attended George Washington, was engaged to Alyssa Milano.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652271)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:25 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

it gets points for a young JLH but that show took whining to a whole new level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652085)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:21 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy plaza potus

Sliders. Comparing the tone of season 1 (mature contemplations of history based upon optimism and science) to seasons 3-5 (Monster Of The Week GC slop, hope extinguished, scientists gone, plus the show moved to cable as symbolic for the fracturing of the one common American culture)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652067)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:26 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

huge early sliders fan. I can remember getting together at my buddy's house with all the neighborhood kids and watching it. so 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652093)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:24 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

Some that haven't been mentioned:

7th Heaven

The Tom Green Show

Beavis & Butthead

Fresh Prince

My So Called Life

Home Improvement

Family Matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652083)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:27 PM
Author: Emerald Mentally Impaired Sweet Tailpipe

My so called life was the realistic east coast version of 90210. not saying thats better or worse, but its definately uglier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652097)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

for sure. each show i picked i think captures a segment of 90s american culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652126)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:27 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

7th Heaven - never watched it so can't comment

The Tom Green Show - no

Beavis & Butthead - didn't really capture the totality of the 90s, only a small sliver of the culture

Fresh Prince - too black to really capture the totality of the 90s

My So Called Life - didn't really capture the totality of the 90s, only a small sliver of the culture

Home Improvement - decent choice, though I think dramas capture a zeitgeist better than comedies

Family Matters -- too black to really capture the totality of the 90s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652099)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:30 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

So the totality of the '90s is captured by a show about extremely wealthy white teenagers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652113)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:35 PM
Author: hyperactive volcanic crater crotch

go rewatch it breh. many episodes about different people.

and don't forget, the show was originally about kids from Minneapolis as fish out of water.

finally, the show was long enough to really span not only the 80s hangover, but also the late 90s into the early 2000s. Culturally, it got the 90s, which changed over the course of the decade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652153)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:44 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

I think you make a good point that 90210 literally spanned the entire 90s. I don't agree though that it's more '90s than the other shows i listed. I'd argue that my so called life is a far more realistic depiction of teenage life in the 90s even if it's just a mid-90s snapshot.

I also don't think you are right to dismiss shows just because the cast is black. Rarely were the themes in the show exclusively for black audiences. And for Fresh Prince, the emergence of hip hop culture was huge in the 90s. Was there even 1 black character on 90210?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652213)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:29 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy plaza potus

7th Heaven is worth being in the conversation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652106)



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Date: August 7th, 2019 2:35 PM
Author: Ruddy tattoo range

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2861810&forum_id=2#38652147)