\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

Hillary Clinton's criminal justice plan: Reverse Bill's policies

Hillary Clinton declared Wednesday in New York that there’s ...
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
"mass-incarceration" is fine as long as it locks u...
Bright Fortuitous Meteor
  04/30/15
yeah, i have no sympathy for violent people. but drug addic...
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
the idea of the "small quantity" personal use drug...
Cyan principal's office dingle berry
  04/30/15
not when it comes to crack. there used to be a 100 to 1 dis...
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
lolwut the *disparity* between crack and cocaine in sent...
Cyan principal's office dingle berry
  04/30/15
i'd rather be caught with 5 grams of powdered cocaine than c...
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
You are out of your depth here.
Cyan principal's office dingle berry
  04/30/15
substantive
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
No, but they're releasing the comma foxes early tomorrow and...
Cyan principal's office dingle berry
  04/30/15
you literally just said nothing. address the substance of w...
High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit
  04/30/15
...
Turquoise stead mexican
  04/30/15
...
arousing silver heaven boistinker
  09/19/18


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:21 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

Hillary Clinton declared Wednesday in New York that there’s “something wrong” with criminal justice in America.

But a lot of what Clinton finds wrong can be traced to her husband’s presidency.

Story Continued Below

Bill Clinton imposed harsher sentencing guidelines, cut education funding for prisoners, and expanded the flow of military equipment to local police in the 1990s, when violent crime was surging and tough policies played well in the political center. With Baltimore in flames and bipartisan concern about mass incarceration rising, both Clintons are now calling for reform.

“It’s time to end the era of mass incarceration,” said the former secretary of state in Wednesday’s speech at Columbia University. What she didn’t say: She lobbied liberal lawmakers to support her husband’s 1994 crime bill, which included $9.7 billion in prison funding and tougher sentencing provisions.

ALSO ON POLITICO

Rand Paul attacks Hillary Clinton for 1990s record on crime

NICK GASS

Clinton decried the decades-long growth of American prison populations, though it continued unabated during her husband’s administration and beyond. The number of prisoners grew nearly 60 percent between the end of 1992 and the end of 2000, the duration of Bill Clinton’s presidency, according to figures from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Clinton also took aim at the militarization of police forces. “We can start by making sure that federal funds for state and local law enforcement are used to bolster best practices, rather than to buy weapons of war that have no place on our streets,” she said Wednesday.

Left unsaid: A program signed into law by her husband increased the flow of those weapons from the Pentagon to local police departments. The 1997 National Defense Authorization Act allowed the Department of Defense to donate excess supplies to local law enforcement agencies for any purpose, expanding an older program that was limited to aiding anti-narcotics operations. Under the program inaugurated by the Clinton administration, the Pentagon has transferred more than $5.4 billion worth of supplies, including weapons and vehicles, to local police, according to the Defense Logistics Agency.

These tough-on-crime policies, say advocates of reform, have set the stage for the unrest enveloping Baltimore and other American cities in response to police violence against black men.

“I think where we are today partly can be attributed to what went on in the ‘90s,” said Marc Schindler, executive director of the Justice Policy Institute. “That includes who was in the White House, who was in Congress, who was in state houses across the country.”

ALSO ON POLITICO

'Clinton Cash' author has full-time security

DYLAN BYERS

In Clinton’s speech, she also called for police to wear body cameras as a matter of routine and lamented the recent spate of highly publicized deaths of young black men at the hands of police. Clinton had been scheduled to speak at Columbia University’s annual David N. Dinkins Leadership and Public Policy Forum since last year. A campaign source said that as the details of her speech came into focus this week, she felt compelled to weigh in on the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died of severe injuries sustained in police custody in Baltimore, setting off riots there. But, said the source, Clinton had always planned to address criminal and social justice.

Harvard law professor and civil libertarian Alan Dershowitz said he’s long seen daylight between the Clintons on such issues. “I agree with Hillary Clinton’s positions on criminal justice and fundamentally disagree with President Clinton’s, and I did back then” he said. “In general, I see Hillary Clinton as centrist-left on criminal justice issues, and I saw Bill Clinton as center-right on criminal justice.”

One issue on which Dershowitz withholds support from Hillary Clinton is the death penalty. “We haven’t yet heard clearly her views,” he said. The 1994 crime bill she lobbied for expanded the number of federal crimes eligible for the death penalty. In 2000, she said the death penalty had her “unenthusiastic support,” and her campaign recently declined to comment to POLITICO on her current stance.

Defenders say that both Bill Clinton’s policies in the 1990s and Hillary Clinton’s recent rhetoric are appropriate for their time. As violent crime has plummeted, awareness of a mass incarceration crisis has risen, and instances of death-by-cop have caught the world’s attention, they say, the policy consensus has shifted.

“Spoiler Alert:” tweeted Clinton spokesman Jesse Ferguson on Wednesday afternoon, “HRC policy on internet might also be different than WJC policy in 1994. Not b/c he was wrong but b/c times change.”

Former President Bill Clinton speaks at Georgetown University in Washington, Tuesday, April 21, 2015. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

ALSO ON POLITICO

Plane carrying Bill Clinton diverted after partial engine failure

ANNIE KARNI

“There’s been a collective rethinking of our criminal justice system,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the justice program at NYU’s Brennan Center for Justice, who added that she didn’t find Clinton’s recent statements inconsistent with her husband’s record. “It’s not her disagreeing with his policies — there’s been a seismic shift across the board. Giving states billions to build prisons wasn’t such a good idea, but they did what they thought they needed to do at that time.”

Bill Clinton penned the foreword of a book on criminal justice reform released this week by the Brennan Center, and Hilary Clinton authored a chapter of the book, which made many of the same points as Wednesday’s speech.

In the not-quite-mea culpa foreword, the former president concedes many of the shortcomings of the criminal justice policy he enacted in the 1990s: “We acted to address a genuine national crisis. But much has changed since then. It’s time to take a clear-eyed look at what worked, what didn’t, and what produced unintended, long-lasting consequences. So many of these laws worked well, especially those that put more police on the streets. But too many laws were overly broad instead of appropriately tailored.”

In addition to expanding the death penalty, imposing harsher sentences, and funding more jails, then-President Clinton’s 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act eliminated Pell grants for higher education for prisoners. At the time, the measures helped Clinton position himself as a Democrat with law-and-order credibility.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is pictured. | AP

ALSO ON POLITICO

Hillary Clinton: It's time to confront 'hard truths' about race and justice

ANNIE KARNI

Now, the former president takes a different line. “If we shorten prison terms, could we take those savings and, for example, restore the prison education programs that practically eliminate recidivism? How can we reduce the number of prisoners while still keeping down crime?”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-criminal-justice-plan-reverse-bills-policies-117488.html#ixzz3Ylca0miY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27790932)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: Bright Fortuitous Meteor

"mass-incarceration" is fine as long as it locks up criminals who would otherwise be out free doing more crime. if anything, many of them should be locked up longer, and then we could cut down on recidivism.

i'd like to see aggressive prosecutions for prison rape, so that we could hit inmates with all kinds of sexual assault charges and nail them for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27790951)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:30 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

yeah, i have no sympathy for violent people. but drug addicts selling small amounts of drugs to fuel their own addictions or people who get nailed for simple possession of crack have no business being locked away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27790962)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:38 AM
Author: Cyan principal's office dingle berry

the idea of the "small quantity" personal use drug guy in federal prison is a myth, except insofar as it can get their supervised release pulled on another bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27790998)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:43 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

not when it comes to crack. there used to be a 100 to 1 disparity in sentencing when it concerned crack vs powdered cocaine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791013)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 2:18 AM
Author: Cyan principal's office dingle berry

lolwut

the *disparity* between crack and cocaine in sentencing has nothing to with the *baseline* amount of dope you have to get popped with to even put federal sentencing on your radar.

under the old, much maligned "racist" sentencing guidelines the five year mandatory minimum for "simple" possession of crack was triggered at five grams, a very sizable quantity. yes, the amount of powdered cocaine for the same mark was much higher, 100:1 as you say. but the fact remains, someone holding five grams of crack on their person is not a hapless casual chill first time bro who just wanted to get high in his bedroom.

also, end users of crack cocaine are much more likely to be associated with crimes of violence, property crime, gang membership, firearms, and communicable diseases than powdered cocaine users. the different sentencing treatments are not indicative of some cockamamie Regan plan to enslave black people and inject AIDS in chicken nuggets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791129)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 2:29 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

i'd rather be caught with 5 grams of powdered cocaine than crack cocaine (ie regular cocaine mixed with baking soda and then heated). also, disparate impact: you don't have to say you're targeting a group for it to be clear that you're actually targeting that group. just as you don't have to target gays when you say that only opposite sex couples are allowed to marry, you likewise don't have to explicitly target black people when you create laws that tend to affect mainly black people.

further, it should make you uncomfortable when people are punished 100x more harshly for a crime based on speculation that they're likely to be involved with other crimes. punish people for the crimes they actually commit, not merely the ones you think they're likely to commit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791146)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 2:46 AM
Author: Cyan principal's office dingle berry

You are out of your depth here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791198)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 2:47 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

substantive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791200)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 3:13 AM
Author: Cyan principal's office dingle berry

No, but they're releasing the comma foxes early tomorrow and the hunt awaits.

Your viewpoints are also comicly simplistic caricatures and inapplicable perversions of concepts you don't understand, whereas I have done a considerable amount of work in this area, published in this area (generally), etc. My trying to explain this stuff to you would be like Newton trying to explain calculus to a retarded Pygmy by having him watch a mule attempt to fuck a pineapple.

It would also be a waste of your time because we both know there's nothing in the world I could say to shake you of your cartoonish Matt Taibbai-esque belief that the role of race in our incredibly complex wide-scope federal drug policy is that a bunch of powerful descended from slaveholders white men got together in a smoke filled room one time and conspired to arbitrarily destroy generations of black families because they all have small-dick Darnell complexes and are probably closeted homos who fantasize about buttsex in church to boot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791268)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 3:16 AM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good lay hissy fit

you literally just said nothing. address the substance of what is said in this thread or gtfo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27791277)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 30th, 2015 1:36 AM
Author: Turquoise stead mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#27790991)



Reply Favorite

Date: September 19th, 2018 2:06 PM
Author: arousing silver heaven boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2867870&forum_id=2#36841276)