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Date: September 3rd, 2015 2:23 PM Author: Naked foreskin twinkling uncleanness http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2015/09/03/13-73744.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28681736) |
Date: September 3rd, 2015 2:23 PM Author: Bearded Exciting Casino Just won Trump another 10,000 votes... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28681745) |
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Date: October 30th, 2015 2:16 AM Author: Big Maroon Electric Furnace Brunch donald trump is des moines: "DID YOU GUYS READ THAT 9TH CIRCUIT OPINION?!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29073082) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 10:02 AM Author: Submissive Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369287) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 2:28 PM Author: Scarlet histrionic sound barrier school So an illegal alien two time Dui offender who injured someone in a drunk driving accident can't be deported because they are transgender?
Lol at this country. Fuck that |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 2:32 PM Author: Orchid Volcanic Crater "The BIA concluded that AvendanoHernandez failed to show that the Mexican government will more likely than not consent to or acquiesce in her torture. This conclusion is not supported by the record."
The Ninth Circuit considered it established that the Mexican government is acquiescing in torture? That's their finding? Holy shite. No one believes that. The judges who wrote the opinion don't believe it. |
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Date: December 1st, 2015 2:36 PM Author: Red piazza round eye Mexico is a country with legal gay marriage. LOL @ them acquiescing in the torture of a tranny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29284052) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 8:14 AM Author: costumed gas station voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28686965) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:20 PM Author: Scarlet histrionic sound barrier school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682135) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:28 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary The opinion glides right past it, but the petitioner was an illegal.
So, if you're a Mexican transgender and can sneak into America, then you become undeportable-- even if you commit very serious crimes.
Libs, explain.
---- "Shortly after her mother’s death, in July 2000, Avendano Hernandez unlawfully entered the United States and settled in Fresno, California. . ." |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:30 PM Author: Scarlet histrionic sound barrier school it's insanity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682192) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:31 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Have patience, brother. I am sure the libs will be ITT to explain any second. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682194) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:01 PM Author: Marvelous cruel-hearted international law enforcement agency antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682676) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 9:50 PM Author: rose 180 queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684625) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 12:08 AM Author: lake beady-eyed spot it's governed by the INA, it's probably the right result even if no one wants more mentally ill trannies in amerikkka (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28685725) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 10:30 AM Author: Bateful flatulent telephone You think citizens can be removed? If you write immigration opinions all day long you can assume you're not dealing with a citizen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369373) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:34 PM Author: Walnut Institution Daaaaaaamn I thought this would be fake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682209) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:59 PM Author: Carmine Passionate Garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682661) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 3:34 PM Author: Effete well-lubricated regret mad-dog skullcap This is some fucked up shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682211) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:00 PM Author: nudist blue corn cake sweet tailpipe "Similarly, her father beat her for being a “faggot” after he saw a hickey left on her chest by her brother while he raped her. " |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:14 PM Author: Orchid Volcanic Crater The majority opinion has to convert that to torture by the Mexican government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682381) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 9:52 PM Author: rose 180 queen of the night OH MY GOD THEY USED THE WORD FAGGOT!!! Quick give this tranny a billion dollars!
Libs are so mentally ill it blows my mind,
also, kind of funny how the court doesn't even bother to explain how it is that a bunch of poor Mexicans are using English, rather than Spanish, homophobic slurs. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:01 PM Author: Dashing At-the-ready Crackhouse Dingle Berry Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682336) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:09 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Sex Offender Box Office seems like the decisions rests on the finding that she had been raped by police officers in mexico.
how exactly was this determined to the courts satisfaction? is this simply a matter of the defendant (i guess petitioner in this case?) asserting that it had happened and the other side not bothering to challenge the claims?
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:13 PM Author: Scarlet histrionic sound barrier school I'm sure that all of the mexican police officers committing the rapes admitted to the rape in either proper depositions or as a subpoenaed witness to the original proceedings. Ditto with the tranny's dad and brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682378) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:16 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary While we're on the topic, supposedly they knew the petitioner was transgender because of estrogen and wearing hair in a ponytail. So... they're afraid for their life, but not enough to get a haircut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682396) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:19 PM Author: Scarlet histrionic sound barrier school you.....bigot.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682411) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 7:36 AM Author: laughsome locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28686902) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:15 PM Author: Glassy home preventive strike Libs: Trump is RAYTHIST for saying Mexico sends us rapists and criminals. btw this tranny can never return to Mexico because she'll be raped or killed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682391) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:16 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary OH SHIT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682398) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:52 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Libs haven't explained yet. Maybe they didn't see the thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682625) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:52 PM Author: Abnormal Mewling Stage Turdskin I'm a dumb. can someone ELI5 the ruling to me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682626) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:55 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Normally, the illegal immigrant would have been deported on account of a DUI conviction/violating parole. The immigrant said they couldn't be deported, because they wouldn't be safe in Mexico on account of being transgender. The Ninth Circuit accepted this argument. If this precedent stands, then it will become effectively impossible to deport Mexican immigrants who claim they are transgender in states covered by the Ninth, including Arizona and California. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682640) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:58 PM Author: Abnormal Mewling Stage Turdskin "The immigrant said they couldn't be deported, because they wouldn't be safe in Mexico on account of being transgender. The Ninth Circuit accepted this argument."
Why did the court accept this argument. Is there some law on this specific immigration point that protects transgenders (or a member of a protected class)? |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:00 PM Author: Trip beta multi-billionaire principal's office convention against torture (CAT) basically says that you can't be deported to a home country where it's more likely than not you'll be tortured. torture can be done by the government or by government acquiescence.
basically if a trans latina says she got raped by la policia and is found credible by an immigration judge, you can't deport in the ninth.
she will never be on a path to citizenship but will have a work permit and basically won't ever be deported. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:04 PM Author: Abnormal Mewling Stage Turdskin Ah I see. So I could be ANY KIND of immigrant from Mexico but if I could show that my life would be in danger if I am deported, then in the 9th, I would be able to stay in America. However, this ruling would probably be taken advantage of by immigrant trannies who can simply claim rape and they could stay, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682696) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:05 PM Author: racy field quadroon "if I could show that my life would be in danger if I am deported, then in the 9th, I would be able to stay in America"
I think that's true in any circuit, but I'm not an immigration bro. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:09 PM Author: Trip beta multi-billionaire principal's office it kind of varies - asylum and withholding of removal are discretionary forms of relief, so it's possible they could deny you these forms of relief if you had, say, two DUIs (as this translatina did).
if you could show that you'd be tortured (as defined above), CAT would preclude the us government from deporting you. ie, the us government would be violating the convention by deporting you. it is generally easy for trannies from latin america to win on testimony alone because there is a lot of NGO documentation of tranny murder / rape by police. of course, there is also a ton of immigration fraud... |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:14 PM Author: Abnormal Mewling Stage Turdskin thanks. this makes sense. Wow, now I really want to vote for trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682780) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:01 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary The Convention against Torture, which the US is a party to, says that you won't send an immigrant back home if they'll be tortured by the gov't when they get there. The Ninth Circuit read this very broadly and found that Mexican cops/soldiers would "torture" the petitioner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682675) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:03 PM Author: racy field quadroon The law protects people who show that they will more likely than not be tortured by or with the acquiescence of the government. She provided unrebutted evidence that she had been tortured by the government at least twice before due to her gender identity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682690) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:07 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Lol @ unrebutted. The petitioner had nothing but their own testimony. How, exactly, is the government supposed to rebut that? If the standard is "take the person's word for it," then no immigration petition will ever be denied. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682720) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:09 PM Author: Trip beta multi-billionaire principal's office pro-tip: this is how most LGBT asylum works anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682740) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:09 PM Author: Abnormal Mewling Stage Turdskin so really, this ruling effectively gives immigrant trannies a free pass, correct? They could claim they suffered hardship because of their "gender" and they could then remain in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682743) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:12 PM Author: Trip beta multi-billionaire principal's office correct. you need to state credibly that you were raped by the police, provide some third-party evidence that there's anti-tranny violence in central america, and then you win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28682765) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:13 PM Author: racy field quadroon "hardship" isn't the standard for this case. Torture is. Rape and beatings generally meets that standard.
The bigger question, I think, is whether you will have to show past personal torture to make a winning argument. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 5:11 PM Author: racy field quadroon I don't think it's that bad (i.e., I don't assume that all immigrants and immigrants' attorneys are liars). Their testimony has to be credible, at a minimum, I think. There may be a higher burden than that. A friend of mine does a lot of asylum work and it seems like you've got to have some good evidence of persecution back home.
At any rate, it's not like this person's story is unbelievable. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 9:54 PM Author: rose 180 queen of the night Kill yourself for indulging this insanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684645) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 10:11 PM Author: racy field quadroon Yeah, cause people in Mexico would *never* behave brutally to someone, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684746) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 10:01 PM Author: electric selfie Trannies are some of the most unreliable people in the world. They are histrionic fags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684695) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 10:13 PM Author: racy field quadroon Maybe so. But nobody seemed to be contesting the truth or falsity of her allegations in this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684753) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 10:08 PM Author: racy field quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684722) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 4:59 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Sex Offender Box Office "im transwoman"
"you don't look very feminine"
"all the more reason why my life will be in danger" |
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Date: September 3rd, 2015 9:55 PM Author: rose 180 queen of the night If congressional republicans weren't nullos they would immediately send a bill to the presidents desk that vacates this retarded shitlib interpretation of the CAT and force him to veto it, which he will because he's an unhinged shitlib lunatic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28684653) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 12:02 AM Author: rose 180 queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28685662) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 7:45 AM Author: lavender fragrant nursing home Conservaheroes should be happy. At least this trans-person is not having anchor babies, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28686910) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 10:29 AM Author: Stirring violent shrine (guy not familiar with transpeople going off their hormones temporarily for the sake of having kids, leading to retarded shitlib news stories about "OMFG a pregnant man!!!") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28687389) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: multi-colored church Every normal human: That's not a man....
Shitlibs: CISSSSSSS!!! |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: hairraiser light house Someone get this in the hands of @TeamTrump16, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28687418) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 3:41 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Libs never explained. I guess they missed the thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28689333) |
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Date: September 4th, 2015 6:53 PM Author: charcoal stain market Great find Judge Nguyen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#28690455) |
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Date: October 30th, 2015 1:28 AM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary I was reminded today that libs never explained. Bumping so they can. TYIA. :). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29072946) |
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Date: December 1st, 2015 1:49 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29283759) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 9:57 AM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3057446&mc=32&forum_id=2 Hmmmm.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369261) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 10:29 AM Author: Bateful flatulent telephone Sorry but that's how immigration law works. Want to change it? Then withdraw from the relevant treaties and repeal the immigration statutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369367) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 10:37 AM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary "Nobody can be deported if they say they were a transexual and raped by a soldier" is not actually in the treaty. What's more, the immigration judge found that the petitioner should be deported. The shitlibs on the 9th circuit took it upon themselves to add a "no deportation for trannies" clause to the treaty using, ironically, tortured legal reasoning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369412) |
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Date: December 13th, 2015 10:41 AM Author: rose 180 queen of the night sorry but you obviously dont LAW like that pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29369430) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2016 7:35 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Just remembered that libs never explained. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29657540) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2016 7:36 PM Author: Poppy trailer park death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29657547) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2016 12:33 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Libs are coming out of the woodwork today, so I hope today is the day they finally explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29737064) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2016 12:34 PM Author: Razzmatazz weed whacker I don't think we can fairly judge this decision until we see pics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#29737075) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Pink New Version Ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#35743595) |
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Date: December 30th, 2016 1:31 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Bumped in honor of "deported 10 times rapist" fucklibs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#32263025) |
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Date: July 29th, 2017 9:01 AM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary I just remembered that libs never explained.
Libs? |
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Date: April 2nd, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#35743537) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2018 12:01 PM Author: vibrant jew den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#35743713) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Snowy hominid sanctuary I just remembered libs never explained. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#36437697) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Dashing At-the-ready Crackhouse Dingle Berry They never do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2980082&forum_id=2#36437728) |