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What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the...
hyperactive temple becky
  10/20/15
This is relevant to my interests
Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
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out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch
  10/20/15
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lascivious flatulent university
  10/20/15
? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the poo...
Exciting primrose box office roommate
  10/20/15
Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in ...
hyperactive temple becky
  10/20/15
Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the...
ocher gaping persian
  02/25/18
also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence
Concupiscible underhanded coffee pot hospital
  02/25/18
the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be...
Brindle Contagious House Candlestick Maker
  10/20/15
cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away...
Exciting primrose box office roommate
  10/20/15
892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother
Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
CR It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy i...
maniacal mint stage regret
  10/20/15
Care to expand on this observation, friend?
Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole ot...
maniacal mint stage regret
  10/20/15
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Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intend...
amber heaven
  02/25/18
Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't alw...
domesticated casino giraffe
  10/20/15
A owner's daughter was being pimped
out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch
  10/20/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28 UHHHHHHNNNNNN...
Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
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out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch
  10/20/15
it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and mon...
Brindle Contagious House Candlestick Maker
  10/20/15
...
Hateful wonderful reading party
  10/20/15
This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie
pale piazza
  10/20/15
This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.
stimulating walnut chapel kitty cat
  10/21/15
CR
zippy locale toaster
  10/21/15
CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque
comical pearly gunner institution
  02/18/18
180
wine space
  02/18/18
wow 180
wild aquamarine plaza chad
  02/18/18
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Up-to-no-good Aromatic Mediation Juggernaut
  02/18/18
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Appetizing Locus
  02/18/18
Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about C...
zippy locale toaster
  02/25/18
in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on w...
amber heaven
  02/25/18
Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fa...
amber heaven
  02/26/18
(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")
harsh free-loading preventive strike
  10/20/15
(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)
hyperactive temple becky
  10/20/15
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lascivious flatulent university
  10/20/15
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out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch
  10/20/15
This is the cr analysis https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b...
hyperactive temple becky
  10/20/15
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Exciting primrose box office roommate
  10/20/15
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hyperactive temple becky
  10/21/15
Will watch again
lake faggotry set
  10/20/15
good thread
dull potus
  10/21/15
i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom...
passionate thirsty telephone newt
  02/18/18
So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're...
Bateful boltzmann
  02/18/18
it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite
Up-to-no-good Aromatic Mediation Juggernaut
  02/18/18
As if they needed reminding.
Aphrodisiac orchestra pit people who are hurt
  02/18/18
yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was ada...
amber heaven
  02/25/18
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Big Yarmulke
  02/25/18


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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:18 PM
Author: hyperactive temple becky

What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the mask? How did they expose Cruise as being a fake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010338)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party

This is relevant to my interests

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010344)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010348)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: lascivious flatulent university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010347)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:22 PM
Author: Exciting primrose box office roommate

? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the pool table guy's house

forget the details but he obviously didn't fit in and was sort of wandering around shocked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010373)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: hyperactive temple becky

Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in my OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010384)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:41 PM
Author: ocher gaping persian

Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the costume he rented that same night with his full name. He was found out at that moment. His friend (who earlier invited him to a party) asked the hooker to warn him to gtfo. Didn't read whole thread, so disregard if this was already cleared up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487878)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:48 PM
Author: Concupiscible underhanded coffee pot hospital

also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487937)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: Brindle Contagious House Candlestick Maker

the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be somewhat vague and unclear because it is showing cruise's bewilderment at stumbling into something far beyond his level of competence.

the earlier party scene was meant to show the "comprehensible" face of the same wealthy elites depicted later on. cruise believed himself to be equal in measure to those people, but in fact he was merely just a medical functionary who was nowhere close to the actual workings of high society.

he was "found out" by the fact that he arrived by taxi and also that he simply did not fit in, because he was unfamiliar with the customs and manners of the community which he attempted to infiltrate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010379)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: Exciting primrose box office roommate

cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010389)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party

892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010392)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:25 PM
Author: maniacal mint stage regret

CR

It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy in general, and especially regarding sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010396)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:26 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party

Care to expand on this observation, friend?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010409)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:29 PM
Author: maniacal mint stage regret

It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole other plot line driving the film the fantasies Kidman is having about some dude plowing her?

I forget if he's aware of this or not, but at least for the viewer (especially the male viewer, who is more likely to identify with Cruise) it makes his whole orgy excursion seem like a riposte to Kidman dreaming about CHAD the sailor.

But he isn't a stud, he's a sham--in that sense, the orgy scene is really like a nightmare of anxiety and humiliation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010429)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010442)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:50 PM
Author: amber heaven

this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intended symbolism for the film

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487948)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:27 PM
Author: domesticated casino giraffe

Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't always fully come together or make a lot of sense. For example, what the fuck was going on inside of that costume shop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010418)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch

A owner's daughter was being pimped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010440)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:31 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28

UHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010445)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010477)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:37 PM
Author: Brindle Contagious House Candlestick Maker

it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and money's ability to exert power and fulfill one's needs or fantasies. he goes there late, and bribes the shopkeeper to open up. he throws money at his problems and appears to take pride in that (he gets his costume after all), which sets up the destruction of his temporary sense of adequacy later on.

that was done in two main ways - the first was the fact that even though he shelled out money for costume and taxi (something that the street bros who harassed him probably couldn't have afforded), he was revealed as a fraud at the party by the fact that he hadn't spent nearly enough.

then, when it is implied that the shopkeeper sold his dotter to those creepy asians rather than going to the cops. EVERYTHING of the shopkeeper's was available for a price, and in that sense he was merely a cheap pimp, which exposed the pathetic nature of cruise's attempt to buy himself into the world of the elites.

for all of his supposed success, he was nowhere near successful enough to be regarded as an elite, nor was he enough of a man to keep his wife from discussing her fantasies about other men. when he breaks down sobbing toward the end and confesses everything, he has basically given up on his quest to become a real man/a real success, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010495)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:41 PM
Author: Hateful wonderful reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010523)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:52 PM
Author: pale piazza

This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010602)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:25 AM
Author: stimulating walnut chapel kitty cat

This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012479)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:26 AM
Author: zippy locale toaster

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012484)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: comical pearly gunner institution

CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433898)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: wine space

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433915)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: wild aquamarine plaza chad

wow 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433927)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Aromatic Mediation Juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433932)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Appetizing Locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433942)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: zippy locale toaster

Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about China - US relations lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487962)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:49 PM
Author: amber heaven

in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on which the film is based was written by a 1920s Austrian Jew doctor as a semi-autobiographical/introspective novel.

It's about Jews as nouveau-riche interlopers who will never be considered real elites despite their crass use of money. In the novella the bros shout anti-Semitic abuse at the Bill character. And he just takes it like a snivelling beta Jew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488296)



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Date: February 26th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: amber heaven

Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fantasizes about fucking is a Nordic chad (Danish officer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488340)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:32 PM
Author: harsh free-loading preventive strike

(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010449)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:34 PM
Author: hyperactive temple becky

(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010469)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: lascivious flatulent university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010473)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:36 PM
Author: out-of-control avocado scourge upon the earth brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010478)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:44 PM
Author: hyperactive temple becky

This is the cr analysis

https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b7PlEW0

It's a metaphor for the earlier Xmas party he Cruise and Kidman attended but with no false pretenses of high society manners. Just the base psychology and power dynamics of the elites laid bare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010543)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 11:06 PM
Author: Exciting primrose box office roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010728)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:16 AM
Author: hyperactive temple becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012219)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:59 PM
Author: lake faggotry set

Will watch again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010664)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:41 AM
Author: dull potus

good thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012527)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: passionate thirsty telephone newt

i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433905)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Bateful boltzmann

So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're not really elite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433919)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Aromatic Mediation Juggernaut

it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433936)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac orchestra pit people who are hurt

As if they needed reminding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35434027)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: amber heaven

yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was adapted into the film was an early 20th century Austrian Jew doctor (and so was the protagonist in the novella).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488302)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Big Yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487931)