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WSJ: Economists Disagree With Voters Who See U.S. Worse Off Today Than in 1960s

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sooty lay
  05/12/16
so people with autism found that numbers in a few columns we...
Bat shit crazy appetizing school
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Harsh ebony dog poop azn
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Orange passionate tanning salon
  05/12/16
Not even autism. Frautism... Fraudtism... something like tha...
sooty lay
  05/12/16
I think what you're trying to address is actually another &q...
light deep mother ape
  05/12/16
Bro, if two people were stranded on a desert island and beha...
Odious Mahogany Prole Den
  05/12/16
Cr
Arrogant glittery faggotry dilemma
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Awkward Emerald Public Bath Regret
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Orange passionate tanning salon
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Bat shit crazy appetizing school
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floppy volcanic crater
  07/18/18
Seems like not a totally unfair article; they spend most of ...
disrespectful internet-worthy base
  05/12/16
>>Fourth, many voters could be thinking primarily abou...
disrespectful internet-worthy base
  05/12/16
YA DON'T SAY!
cobalt exhilarant theatre clown
  05/12/16
From the comments: "Feelings of prosperity have little ...
disrespectful internet-worthy base
  05/12/16
how come economists never seem to factor in really obvious s...
Irate Sexy House
  05/12/16
america used to be so clean
Orange passionate tanning salon
  05/12/16
"the 50's white underclass was semi-functional" ...
spruce startled partner sweet tailpipe
  07/18/18
Crime was not worse in the 1950s. That's flat wrong. Homicid...
Henna jew range
  07/18/18
"Fifth, since the average American woman is now an unfu...
Pungent coldplay fan ticket booth
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Henna jew range
  07/18/18
Just google the headline.. Clicking wsj article from google ...
Odious Mahogany Prole Den
  05/12/16
(2014 bro)
sooty lay
  05/12/16
Saytpga bro
Odious Mahogany Prole Den
  05/12/16
Not anymore. It works in Twitter, though.
nofapping soul-stirring faggot firefighter
  07/18/18
Well, (((economists))) are certainly better off
cobalt exhilarant theatre clown
  07/18/18
Equifax’s economist is named Crews Cutts? I’m supposed to t...
aphrodisiac ocher institution
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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:44 PM
Author: sooty lay

http://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-disagree-with-voters-who-see-u-s-worse-off-today-than-in-1960s-1463061602

fuck this paywall, I cannot afford this shit. Someone post the article, and I'm dying to read the Comments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464448)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:45 PM
Author: Bat shit crazy appetizing school

so people with autism found that numbers in a few columns were higher than they were in the 1960s and concluded that life is better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464454)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:45 PM
Author: Harsh ebony dog poop azn



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:49 PM
Author: Orange passionate tanning salon



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:50 PM
Author: sooty lay

Not even autism. Frautism... Fraudtism... something like that. Econ is literally just a tool of the propaganda apparatus. And something to major in for mooks who think that poli sci is too much of a liberal art, but who are terrified of Engineering. It has no practical, scientific purpose, it can't predict shit, and it can't draw conclusions from shit. Just a tool of the elite to provide logical-seeming rationale for whatever fraud and lies they want to perpetuate against the petit bourgeoisie on down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464494)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:57 PM
Author: light deep mother ape

I think what you're trying to address is actually another "ism." Try to fill in the asterisks in the SECRET WORDS below:

G**b*l C*p*t*l*sm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464542)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:58 PM
Author: Odious Mahogany Prole Den

Bro, if two people were stranded on a desert island and behaved rationally you can graph their demand and consumption curves

Always lolled at that example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464554)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 8:31 PM
Author: Arrogant glittery faggotry dilemma

Cr

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Date: May 12th, 2016 8:52 PM
Author: Awkward Emerald Public Bath Regret



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Date: May 12th, 2016 8:54 PM
Author: Orange passionate tanning salon



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Date: July 18th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: Bat shit crazy appetizing school



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: floppy volcanic crater



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:47 PM
Author: disrespectful internet-worthy base

Seems like not a totally unfair article; they spend most of it explaining why one stat isn't the whole story

When was America at its best?

Put the question to voters and many will point as far back as the 1960s. Put the question to economists and they identify a much more recent peak in U.S. living standards.

Forecasters in The Wall Street Journal’s monthly survey of business, academic and financial economists were asked to rate whether U.S. living standards were higher today or at various points in the past. Around 80% say those standards are higher today than during the 1990s or earlier.

The 2016 presidential campaign has exposed worries among many voters about a U.S. in decline. The sentiment played a particular role in boosting the candidacy of businessman Donald Trump, with a campaign slogan pledging to “Make America Great Again.”

While many economists view the U.S. as not fully recovered from the recession that began in 2007 or the previous recession in 2001, that still leaves a 40-year disconnect compared to voters who see the U.S. in a half-century of decline.

The Pew Research Center recently polled voters on the question “Compared with 50 years ago, life for people like you in America is better or worse?” A plurality of 46% said things were worse now. Only 34% said life today is better than in the 1960s.

A Morning Consult poll asked voters whether the 1960s or 1980s were better than today. In that survey, 31% said the ‘60s were better and 37% said the 1980s were better.

“Between technology and health advances, today is much better than in 1960,” said Amy Crews Cutts, chief economist at Equifax.

By many of the measures economists are inclined to look at, it is not a close call. In 1960, the life expectancy of the average American was a full decade shorter than it is today, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The median personal income, after adjusting for inflation, is 55% higher today than in 1960, according to the Census Bureau. These measures of overall well-being continued to rise throughout the 1980s and 1990s.

Why do so many voters put such little stock in the past 50 years? Economists point to a few culprits.

First, wages or available jobs have deteriorated for some demographic groups, particularly men without a high-school diploma and men who worked in manufacturing (two groups with some overlap).

Second, we have just lived through the “first decade where the average worker lost ground,” said Joel Naroff, chief economist of Naroff Economic Advisers. Overall incomes declined during the two most recent recessions, but not enough to set people back to a 1960s standard of living.

About 53% of respondents in the Journal’s survey said the U.S. today is “about the same” or “worse” than it was in 2000. About 63% said the same about 2007. The survey of 70 economists was conducted from May 6 to May 10, though not every economist answered every question.

Third, “Current material standards are much higher than in 1990, but the degree of uncertainty is far higher too,” said Lou Crandall, chief economist of Wrightson ICAP. The U.S. may be healthier and wealthier than in the past, but these have been more uncertain times in the labor market than many workers had anticipated.

Fourth, many voters could be thinking primarily about broader social changes that have occurred in the past 50 years, rather than directly considering whether they would want a 1960s standard of living today.

Finally, the election process could be undermining confidence in the economy. Switching presidents is always an uncertain proposition, but three-quarters of the survey’s respondents view this year’s election as especially uncertain. A sizable group of economists—about 42%—think the uncertainty is so high that the economy is already suffering damage.

“Businesses may defer investment and hiring decisions until they have a better sense of the direction of the next administration,” said Michael Carey, the chief economist for North America at Credit Agricole.

Many economic decisions of businesses and consumers depend, in part, on confidence. This campaign season has been a long exercise in talking down that confidence.

The panel of economists is not very optimistic about the year ahead. On average, they see a 20% chance that the U.S. will fall into recession in the next year—about double the risk of last year. They believe the pace of job growth is likely to slow, and worry about the risk of economic fallout in the U.S. if China’s economy continues to deteriorate.

The outlook is far from rosy, economists say, but going back to a 1960s standard of living wouldn’t help.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464476)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:48 PM
Author: disrespectful internet-worthy base

>>Fourth, many voters could be thinking primarily about broader social changes that have occurred in the past 50 years, rather than directly considering whether they would want a 1960s standard of living today.<<

DING DING DING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464481)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:52 PM
Author: cobalt exhilarant theatre clown

YA DON'T SAY!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464508)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:54 PM
Author: disrespectful internet-worthy base

From the comments: "Feelings of prosperity have little to do with absolute levels of consumption, and everything to do with how people feel they rank compared with others. Economists know very little about happiness."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464519)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 8:46 PM
Author: Irate Sexy House

how come economists never seem to factor in really obvious shifts, like the fact that being plunged into the underclass is a lot worse for white people today because the 50's white underclass was semi-functional, while today it means a near-feral third-world ghetto?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464932)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 8:55 PM
Author: Orange passionate tanning salon

america used to be so clean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30465002)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: spruce startled partner sweet tailpipe

"the 50's white underclass was semi-functional"

By what standard? Crime was worse then. Food security and access to healthcare was worse. Familial stability (less divorce; families closer together) was probably better. There's plenty to nitpick with the conclusions in the article but I do think people have rose-colored glasses when they reminisce about a "whiter" past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453277)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Henna jew range

Crime was not worse in the 1950s. That's flat wrong. Homicide rate hovered in the low fours per 100k. It's only come close to that very recently and half of that drop is due to better ER trauma practices. Compared to 19 50s tech today would be in the upper 6.0s.

Life expectancy for whites has actually been dropping as well. The only cohort in a first world country to ever experience this.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453433)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Pungent coldplay fan ticket booth

"Fifth, since the average American woman is now an unfuckable cow, higher wages translate into far less desirable reproductive outcomes - which is their essential purpose - than in the 1960s."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453401)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Henna jew range



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:52 PM
Author: Odious Mahogany Prole Den

Just google the headline.. Clicking wsj article from google search will work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464507)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:54 PM
Author: sooty lay

(2014 bro)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#30464520)



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Date: May 12th, 2016 7:55 PM
Author: Odious Mahogany Prole Den

Saytpga bro

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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: nofapping soul-stirring faggot firefighter

Not anymore.

It works in Twitter, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453380)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 2:56 PM
Author: cobalt exhilarant theatre clown

Well, (((economists))) are certainly better off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453212)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: aphrodisiac ocher institution

Equifax’s economist is named Crews Cutts? I’m supposed to trust the opinion of someone who chose to go double name as Crews Cutts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221820&forum_id=2#36453350)