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Arizona Summit: The Worst Law School in America?

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/05/law-school-completely-derails...
slate codepig
  05/20/16
LSAT percentiles for Fall 2015 class: 25th: 140 (~37 ques...
slate codepig
  05/20/16
i think i got a 156 on a cold practice test with zero prep w...
Flesh Talking Turdskin Faggotry
  05/20/16
You probably could have gotten some money from Arizona Summi...
slate codepig
  05/20/16
their median GPA is like 2.8 also. it would be pretty 180...
Flesh Talking Turdskin Faggotry
  05/20/16
(Saul Goodman)
Ungodly sinister parlor kitty
  05/20/16
Go Land Crabs!
slate codepig
  05/20/16
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spectacular bronze market
  10/17/17
Unwitting humblepwn
well-lubricated chestnut native
  10/20/16
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Big Saffron Volcanic Crater Meetinghouse
  06/23/17
omfg at accepting anyone with a 140.
Marvelous Tanning Salon Roast Beef
  05/20/16
"What was your score?" "Better than chance...
slate codepig
  05/20/16
My law school just hired an Arizona Summit law grad as an of...
lascivious community account
  05/20/16
Seems about right.
slate codepig
  05/20/16
(Arizona Summit Law school student)
Stimulating Hunting Ground Jap
  08/16/16
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  08/17/16
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Free-loading church
  03/29/17
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Sickened station indirect expression
  05/25/18
How evil are the professors who are complicit in the dry ass...
slate codepig
  05/20/16
tbf those profs are probably barely employable themselves
Marvelous Tanning Salon Roast Beef
  05/20/16
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Shimmering Theatre
  05/20/16
Meh -- there are a TON of sleazy bullshit industries.
Magenta Charismatic Ticket Booth Stain
  05/20/16
So are you saying they're just little Eichmanns?
slate codepig
  05/20/16
I'm saying we're all scumbags.
Magenta Charismatic Ticket Booth Stain
  05/20/16
Touro is the worst
wonderful drab hissy fit space
  05/20/16
Go on.
slate codepig
  05/20/16
Fucksberg College of Law
Free-loading church
  06/17/16
they still run old school confidence schemes in arizona.
Mahogany electric field antidepressant drug
  05/20/16
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Shimmering Theatre
  05/20/16
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slate codepig
  06/17/16
In the opinion of xo, what is the bottom lsat-score for bein...
Silver new version
  06/17/16
155-160
Obsidian anal half-breed son of senegal
  06/17/16
percentile?
Silver new version
  06/17/16
...
Shimmering Theatre
  06/17/16
of test takers or of those admitted to law schools?
Silver new version
  06/17/16
Lawyer, 151 Judge, 167
Free-loading church
  06/17/16
can it be worse than Thomas Jefferson? 'cause that school is...
magical exhilarant persian spot
  06/17/16
so, as an lsat score of 155-160/75-80 percentile is necessar...
Silver new version
  06/17/16
I think you need at least 160 to be decent. There are lots o...
indigo lodge ratface
  06/17/16
it takes around a 75-80% MCAT score to be admitted to any US...
House-broken garnet brunch roommate
  10/18/17
Lol, it's a fucking UBE state. So it's not even like how ra...
tantric seedy lay
  06/17/16
(Hillary Clinton) nvm it was the DC bar she failed, carry...
jet genital piercing kitchen
  03/29/17
Failing, For-Profit Law School Announces Plans To Affiliate ...
slate codepig
  08/16/16
People's College of Law if it still exists is the worst
Rough-skinned coldplay fan location
  08/16/16
yeah but PCOL is like 4000 bucks a year while Arizona Summit...
Razzle telephone stage
  08/17/16
The ABA allows for profit law schools?
Bateful hairy legs
  08/17/16
where do they fall on the cooley rankings?
Topaz tank
  08/17/16
plz look into this. thank
slate codepig
  10/20/16
UPDATE: First-time pass rate now under 25% http://aboveth...
slate codepig
  10/18/16
Boomers gonna boom The law school now requires that all s...
navy titillating famous landscape painting whorehouse
  10/20/16
Are law school graduation rates published like they are for ...
slate codepig
  10/20/16
ABA puts Arizona Summit on probation because of its pure shi...
slate codepig
  03/29/17
isn't Cooley the worst?
jet genital piercing kitchen
  03/29/17
It was the quintessential TTT school in the old PR/XO days. ...
slate codepig
  10/17/17
I actually know one of these grads but she graduated a numbe...
narrow-minded pocket flask
  03/29/17
Job listing for a new dean. https://www.indeed.com/viewjo...
slate codepig
  06/23/17
list line is amazing. Have they hired anyone yet?
high-end hall windowlicker
  10/17/17
I think I'll apply. I have experience in the education secto...
Hairraiser pearl deer antler mad-dog skullcap
  10/17/17
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/10/this-law-schools-bar-exam-pa...
slate codepig
  10/17/17
how tough is the AZ bar
Bateful hairy legs
  10/17/17
Probably in the fat middle.
slate codepig
  10/18/17
Arizona Summit now suing the ABA for being unfair. http:/...
slate codepig
  05/25/18
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tripping nursing home queen of the night
  06/11/18
on a good day can someone randomly guess a 140 without even ...
Dun area
  06/11/18
ABA: "Following the May 10, 2018, appearance of Ariz...
slate codepig
  06/11/18
Fall 2016 140 143 148 2.55 2.96 3.31 NON-DISCOUNTED COST ...
Free-loading church
  06/11/18
31.8% get legal jobs. That's $781,270 in education costs ...
slate codepig
  06/11/18
the lawsuit just got ten feet higher!
high-end hall windowlicker
  06/11/18
i've met only one grad of the following schools and was conv...
Mahogany electric field antidepressant drug
  06/11/18


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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:08 PM
Author: slate codepig

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/05/law-school-completely-derails-states-bar-exam-passage-rate/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520343)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:12 PM
Author: slate codepig

LSAT percentiles for Fall 2015 class:

25th: 140 (~37 questions out of 101, ~13th percentile)

50th: 143 (~42 questions out of 101, ~20th percentile)

75th: 148 (~50 questions out of 101, ~36th percentile)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520374)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:14 PM
Author: Flesh Talking Turdskin Faggotry

i think i got a 156 on a cold practice test with zero prep when i was first curious about LS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520387)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:19 PM
Author: slate codepig

You probably could have gotten some money from Arizona Summit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520434)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:24 PM
Author: Flesh Talking Turdskin Faggotry

their median GPA is like 2.8 also.

it would be pretty 180 if you knew say, junior year of undergrad that you had a GUARANTEED career, all you needed was to pass the bar. you could party the last two years of UG, take the LSAT hungover, get money from Arizona Summit, fuck hot AZ girls for three years, then get it together and pass the bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520483)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:25 PM
Author: Ungodly sinister parlor kitty

(Saul Goodman)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520491)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: slate codepig

Go Land Crabs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520499)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:27 PM
Author: spectacular bronze market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462985)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:17 PM
Author: well-lubricated chestnut native

Unwitting humblepwn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691012)



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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: Big Saffron Volcanic Crater Meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#33626415)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: Marvelous Tanning Salon Roast Beef

omfg at accepting anyone with a 140.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520501)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:35 PM
Author: slate codepig

"What was your score?"

"Better than chance!"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520570)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: lascivious community account

My law school just hired an Arizona Summit law grad as an office assistant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520500)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:30 PM
Author: slate codepig

Seems about right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520526)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:14 PM
Author: Stimulating Hunting Ground Jap

(Arizona Summit Law school student)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202274)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:42 AM
Author: Passionate godawful shrine factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205017)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:53 PM
Author: Free-loading church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946379)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: Sickened station indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36128898)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:34 PM
Author: slate codepig

How evil are the professors who are complicit in the dry ass fucking of those students?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520549)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:34 PM
Author: Marvelous Tanning Salon Roast Beef

tbf those profs are probably barely employable themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520555)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:37 PM
Author: Shimmering Theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520581)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:35 PM
Author: Magenta Charismatic Ticket Booth Stain

Meh -- there are a TON of sleazy bullshit industries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520559)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:37 PM
Author: slate codepig

So are you saying they're just little Eichmanns?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520582)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:45 PM
Author: Magenta Charismatic Ticket Booth Stain

I'm saying we're all scumbags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520626)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:36 PM
Author: wonderful drab hissy fit space

Touro is the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520575)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:45 PM
Author: slate codepig

Go on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520625)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:58 PM
Author: Free-loading church

Fucksberg College of Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730749)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:36 PM
Author: Mahogany electric field antidepressant drug

they still run old school confidence schemes in arizona.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520578)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:40 PM
Author: Shimmering Theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520600)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 6:15 PM
Author: slate codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30729804)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:16 PM
Author: Silver new version

In the opinion of xo, what is the bottom lsat-score for being able to function as a useful lawyer? Judge?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730170)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:21 PM
Author: Obsidian anal half-breed son of senegal

155-160

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730200)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:22 PM
Author: Silver new version

percentile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730208)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:23 PM
Author: Shimmering Theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730215)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:24 PM
Author: Silver new version

of test takers or of those admitted to law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730227)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:59 PM
Author: Free-loading church

Lawyer, 151

Judge, 167

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730759)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:29 PM
Author: magical exhilarant persian spot

can it be worse than Thomas Jefferson? 'cause that school is a walking, talking criminal fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730242)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:35 PM
Author: Silver new version

so, as an lsat score of 155-160/75-80 percentile is necessary(acc to xo) to be a useful lawyer, roughly which percentage of all US law school admittees and graduates, respectively, achieve these scores?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730262)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:33 PM
Author: indigo lodge ratface

I think you need at least 160 to be decent. There are lots of retarded lawyers who shouldn't be doing this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730552)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:15 AM
Author: House-broken garnet brunch roommate

it takes around a 75-80% MCAT score to be admitted to any US allopathic medical school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34468484)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:50 PM
Author: tantric seedy lay

Lol, it's a fucking UBE state. So it's not even like how random states (e.g., Arkansas) will put together really tough bar exams that even non-retarded kids will fail.

AZ bar takers really are just retards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730332)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: jet genital piercing kitchen

(Hillary Clinton)

nvm it was the DC bar she failed, carry on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946357)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:04 PM
Author: slate codepig

Failing, For-Profit Law School Announces Plans To Affiliate With ‘Major University’

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/08/failing-for-profit-law-school-announces-plans-to-affiliate-with-major-university/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202212)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:15 PM
Author: Rough-skinned coldplay fan location

People's College of Law if it still exists is the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202288)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:41 AM
Author: Razzle telephone stage

yeah but PCOL is like 4000 bucks a year while Arizona Summit is like 40,000 a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205014)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:46 AM
Author: Bateful hairy legs

The ABA allows for profit law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205031)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:49 AM
Author: Topaz tank

where do they fall on the cooley rankings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205041)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:08 PM
Author: slate codepig

plz look into this.

thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31690965)



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Date: October 18th, 2016 1:30 PM
Author: slate codepig

UPDATE: First-time pass rate now under 25%

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/law-school-posts-worst-bar-exam-passage-rates-in-its-existence-drags-down-entire-states-passage-rates/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31669657)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:20 PM
Author: navy titillating famous landscape painting whorehouse

Boomers gonna boom

The law school now requires that all students with GPAs below a 3.33 take and pass a mock bar exam as a graduation requirement, knowing full well that such a requirement may preclude countless students from being able to graduate and further sully their otherwise abysmal bar exam passage rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691045)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:33 PM
Author: slate codepig

Are law school graduation rates published like they are for undergrad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691115)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: slate codepig

ABA puts Arizona Summit on probation because of its pure shit bar passage rates.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-education/2017/03/27/arizona-summit-law-school-probation-low-bar-passage-rates/99698686/

To regain compliance:

"At least 75 percent of a law school's graduates must pass the bar within five years of graduation; or a school must have a 75 percent pass rate for at least three of those five years."

Good luck!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946344)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:51 PM
Author: jet genital piercing kitchen

isn't Cooley the worst?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946365)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: slate codepig

It was the quintessential TTT school in the old PR/XO days.

But it has much higher bar passage rates than Arizona Summit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462650)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 3:05 PM
Author: narrow-minded pocket flask

I actually know one of these grads but she graduated a number of years ago when the school merely had a "bad" reputation

She does shitlaw and probably makes 50 or 60k if I had to guess

Has also been posting anti Trump shit non stop since the election

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946456)



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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:31 PM
Author: slate codepig

Job listing for a new dean.

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=d9ab3e634594eaa0

http://archive.is/x8ejZ

- "Although having had impressive bar examination outcomes for many years, the school in recent times has experienced a serious decline in this critical area."

- "The Council of the American Bar Association Section of Legal Education recently placed the school on probation, primarily due to lack of rigor in its admissions policy and academic program and processes."

- "Summit has been the subject of considerable negative publicity, especially in recent years as bar pass results declined."

- " Experience in legal education and law school administration is desirable, but is not an absolute requirement."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#33626404)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: high-end hall windowlicker

list line is amazing. Have they hired anyone yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462655)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Hairraiser pearl deer antler mad-dog skullcap

I think I'll apply. I have experience in the education sector.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462915)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: slate codepig

https://abovethelaw.com/2017/10/this-law-schools-bar-exam-passage-rates-are-embarrassing/

July 2017 Arizona bar passage: 25.7%

But only 35 people took it (probably the best of the best).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462639)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: Bateful hairy legs

how tough is the AZ bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462919)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:03 AM
Author: slate codepig

Probably in the fat middle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34468463)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: slate codepig

Arizona Summit now suing the ABA for being unfair.

http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/Summit%20ABA%20complaint.pdf

Note:

1 - The lawyers can figure out how to center titles. Get rid of the tabs, you morons.

2 - Arizona Summit is being represented by lawyers who went to law school at: University of Arizona (local counsel), Harvard, Harvard, and Harvard. Not even token representation from one of the FINE Arizona Summit grads?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36128882)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: tripping nursing home queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36222620)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Dun area

on a good day can someone randomly guess a 140 without even reading the questions?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36222656)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: slate codepig

ABA:

"Following the May 10, 2018, appearance of Arizona Summit Law School’s representatives before the Council and the review of both the written materials submitted on behalf of the Law School and statements made at the Council hearing, the Council voted to remove the Law School from the ABA list of approved law schools."

https://bit.ly/2l1XjPq



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225033)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Free-loading church

Fall 2016 140 143 148 2.55 2.96 3.31

NON-DISCOUNTED COST

$248,444

2017 GRADUATES

151

Large Firm 2%

Small Firm 18.5%

Federal Clerkship 0.7%

Public Service 10.6%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225063)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: slate codepig

31.8% get legal jobs.

That's $781,270 in education costs per legal job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225086)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: high-end hall windowlicker

the lawsuit just got ten feet higher!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225249)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Mahogany electric field antidepressant drug

i've met only one grad of the following schools and was convinced they were retarded:

cuny.

touro.

california western.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225262)