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Arizona Summit: The Worst Law School in America?

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/05/law-school-completely-derails...
gay gunner
  05/20/16
LSAT percentiles for Fall 2015 class: 25th: 140 (~37 ques...
gay gunner
  05/20/16
i think i got a 156 on a cold practice test with zero prep w...
big lime travel guidebook goyim
  05/20/16
You probably could have gotten some money from Arizona Summi...
gay gunner
  05/20/16
their median GPA is like 2.8 also. it would be pretty 180...
big lime travel guidebook goyim
  05/20/16
(Saul Goodman)
Nubile corner community account
  05/20/16
Go Land Crabs!
gay gunner
  05/20/16
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Coiffed appetizing circlehead range
  10/17/17
Unwitting humblepwn
Blathering Principal's Office
  10/20/16
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Dashing Lettuce
  06/23/17
omfg at accepting anyone with a 140.
fragrant duck-like potus affirmative action
  05/20/16
"What was your score?" "Better than chance...
gay gunner
  05/20/16
My law school just hired an Arizona Summit law grad as an of...
stimulating chad reading party
  05/20/16
Seems about right.
gay gunner
  05/20/16
(Arizona Summit Law school student)
spectacular address
  08/16/16
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lavender spot
  08/17/16
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  03/29/17
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swashbuckling stain
  05/25/18
How evil are the professors who are complicit in the dry ass...
gay gunner
  05/20/16
tbf those profs are probably barely employable themselves
fragrant duck-like potus affirmative action
  05/20/16
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Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams
  05/20/16
Meh -- there are a TON of sleazy bullshit industries.
exciting school
  05/20/16
So are you saying they're just little Eichmanns?
gay gunner
  05/20/16
I'm saying we're all scumbags.
exciting school
  05/20/16
Touro is the worst
rough-skinned parlor
  05/20/16
Go on.
gay gunner
  05/20/16
Fucksberg College of Law
boyish emerald resort turdskin
  06/17/16
they still run old school confidence schemes in arizona.
lemon space
  05/20/16
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Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams
  05/20/16
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gay gunner
  06/17/16
In the opinion of xo, what is the bottom lsat-score for bein...
aphrodisiac nowag church building
  06/17/16
155-160
concupiscible dull new version
  06/17/16
percentile?
aphrodisiac nowag church building
  06/17/16
...
Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams
  06/17/16
of test takers or of those admitted to law schools?
aphrodisiac nowag church building
  06/17/16
Lawyer, 151 Judge, 167
boyish emerald resort turdskin
  06/17/16
can it be worse than Thomas Jefferson? 'cause that school is...
Pea-brained idiotic theatre
  06/17/16
so, as an lsat score of 155-160/75-80 percentile is necessar...
aphrodisiac nowag church building
  06/17/16
I think you need at least 160 to be decent. There are lots o...
marvelous senate
  06/17/16
it takes around a 75-80% MCAT score to be admitted to any US...
Poppy Hissy Fit Immigrant
  10/18/17
Lol, it's a fucking UBE state. So it's not even like how ra...
Exhilarant frum area sandwich
  06/17/16
(Hillary Clinton) nvm it was the DC bar she failed, carry...
Hairraiser insanely creepy national mood
  03/29/17
Failing, For-Profit Law School Announces Plans To Affiliate ...
gay gunner
  08/16/16
People's College of Law if it still exists is the worst
Jet hell
  08/16/16
yeah but PCOL is like 4000 bucks a year while Arizona Summit...
Motley ceo brethren
  08/17/16
The ABA allows for profit law schools?
Rebellious razzle fat ankles indian lodge
  08/17/16
where do they fall on the cooley rankings?
maroon underhanded juggernaut
  08/17/16
plz look into this. thank
gay gunner
  10/20/16
UPDATE: First-time pass rate now under 25% http://aboveth...
gay gunner
  10/18/16
Boomers gonna boom The law school now requires that all s...
kink-friendly meetinghouse
  10/20/16
Are law school graduation rates published like they are for ...
gay gunner
  10/20/16
ABA puts Arizona Summit on probation because of its pure shi...
gay gunner
  03/29/17
isn't Cooley the worst?
Hairraiser insanely creepy national mood
  03/29/17
It was the quintessential TTT school in the old PR/XO days. ...
gay gunner
  10/17/17
I actually know one of these grads but she graduated a numbe...
Floppy Aqua Cumskin
  03/29/17
Job listing for a new dean. https://www.indeed.com/viewjo...
gay gunner
  06/23/17
list line is amazing. Have they hired anyone yet?
Mildly autistic excitant dopamine institution
  10/17/17
I think I'll apply. I have experience in the education secto...
Mind-boggling pozpig sex offender
  10/17/17
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/10/this-law-schools-bar-exam-pa...
gay gunner
  10/17/17
how tough is the AZ bar
Rebellious razzle fat ankles indian lodge
  10/17/17
Probably in the fat middle.
gay gunner
  10/18/17
Arizona Summit now suing the ABA for being unfair. http:/...
gay gunner
  05/25/18
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Contagious location
  06/11/18
on a good day can someone randomly guess a 140 without even ...
sienna diverse incel pit
  06/11/18
ABA: "Following the May 10, 2018, appearance of Ariz...
gay gunner
  06/11/18
Fall 2016 140 143 148 2.55 2.96 3.31 NON-DISCOUNTED COST ...
boyish emerald resort turdskin
  06/11/18
31.8% get legal jobs. That's $781,270 in education costs ...
gay gunner
  06/11/18
the lawsuit just got ten feet higher!
Mildly autistic excitant dopamine institution
  06/11/18
i've met only one grad of the following schools and was conv...
lemon space
  06/11/18


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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:08 PM
Author: gay gunner

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/05/law-school-completely-derails-states-bar-exam-passage-rate/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520343)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:12 PM
Author: gay gunner

LSAT percentiles for Fall 2015 class:

25th: 140 (~37 questions out of 101, ~13th percentile)

50th: 143 (~42 questions out of 101, ~20th percentile)

75th: 148 (~50 questions out of 101, ~36th percentile)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520374)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:14 PM
Author: big lime travel guidebook goyim

i think i got a 156 on a cold practice test with zero prep when i was first curious about LS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520387)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:19 PM
Author: gay gunner

You probably could have gotten some money from Arizona Summit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520434)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:24 PM
Author: big lime travel guidebook goyim

their median GPA is like 2.8 also.

it would be pretty 180 if you knew say, junior year of undergrad that you had a GUARANTEED career, all you needed was to pass the bar. you could party the last two years of UG, take the LSAT hungover, get money from Arizona Summit, fuck hot AZ girls for three years, then get it together and pass the bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520483)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:25 PM
Author: Nubile corner community account

(Saul Goodman)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520491)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: gay gunner

Go Land Crabs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520499)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:27 PM
Author: Coiffed appetizing circlehead range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462985)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:17 PM
Author: Blathering Principal's Office

Unwitting humblepwn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691012)



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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: Dashing Lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#33626415)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: fragrant duck-like potus affirmative action

omfg at accepting anyone with a 140.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520501)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:35 PM
Author: gay gunner

"What was your score?"

"Better than chance!"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520570)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:26 PM
Author: stimulating chad reading party

My law school just hired an Arizona Summit law grad as an office assistant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520500)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:30 PM
Author: gay gunner

Seems about right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520526)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:14 PM
Author: spectacular address

(Arizona Summit Law school student)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202274)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:42 AM
Author: lavender spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205017)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:53 PM
Author: boyish emerald resort turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946379)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: swashbuckling stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36128898)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:34 PM
Author: gay gunner

How evil are the professors who are complicit in the dry ass fucking of those students?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520549)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:34 PM
Author: fragrant duck-like potus affirmative action

tbf those profs are probably barely employable themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520555)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:37 PM
Author: Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520581)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:35 PM
Author: exciting school

Meh -- there are a TON of sleazy bullshit industries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520559)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:37 PM
Author: gay gunner

So are you saying they're just little Eichmanns?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520582)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:45 PM
Author: exciting school

I'm saying we're all scumbags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520626)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:36 PM
Author: rough-skinned parlor

Touro is the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520575)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:45 PM
Author: gay gunner

Go on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520625)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:58 PM
Author: boyish emerald resort turdskin

Fucksberg College of Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730749)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:36 PM
Author: lemon space

they still run old school confidence schemes in arizona.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520578)



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Date: May 20th, 2016 2:40 PM
Author: Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30520600)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 6:15 PM
Author: gay gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30729804)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:16 PM
Author: aphrodisiac nowag church building

In the opinion of xo, what is the bottom lsat-score for being able to function as a useful lawyer? Judge?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730170)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:21 PM
Author: concupiscible dull new version

155-160

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730200)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:22 PM
Author: aphrodisiac nowag church building

percentile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730208)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:23 PM
Author: Frozen soul-stirring locale laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730215)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:24 PM
Author: aphrodisiac nowag church building

of test takers or of those admitted to law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730227)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:59 PM
Author: boyish emerald resort turdskin

Lawyer, 151

Judge, 167

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730759)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:29 PM
Author: Pea-brained idiotic theatre

can it be worse than Thomas Jefferson? 'cause that school is a walking, talking criminal fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730242)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:35 PM
Author: aphrodisiac nowag church building

so, as an lsat score of 155-160/75-80 percentile is necessary(acc to xo) to be a useful lawyer, roughly which percentage of all US law school admittees and graduates, respectively, achieve these scores?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730262)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 8:33 PM
Author: marvelous senate

I think you need at least 160 to be decent. There are lots of retarded lawyers who shouldn't be doing this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730552)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:15 AM
Author: Poppy Hissy Fit Immigrant

it takes around a 75-80% MCAT score to be admitted to any US allopathic medical school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34468484)



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Date: June 17th, 2016 7:50 PM
Author: Exhilarant frum area sandwich

Lol, it's a fucking UBE state. So it's not even like how random states (e.g., Arkansas) will put together really tough bar exams that even non-retarded kids will fail.

AZ bar takers really are just retards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#30730332)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: Hairraiser insanely creepy national mood

(Hillary Clinton)

nvm it was the DC bar she failed, carry on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946357)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:04 PM
Author: gay gunner

Failing, For-Profit Law School Announces Plans To Affiliate With ‘Major University’

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/08/failing-for-profit-law-school-announces-plans-to-affiliate-with-major-university/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202212)



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Date: August 16th, 2016 8:15 PM
Author: Jet hell

People's College of Law if it still exists is the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31202288)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:41 AM
Author: Motley ceo brethren

yeah but PCOL is like 4000 bucks a year while Arizona Summit is like 40,000 a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205014)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:46 AM
Author: Rebellious razzle fat ankles indian lodge

The ABA allows for profit law schools?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205031)



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Date: August 17th, 2016 1:49 AM
Author: maroon underhanded juggernaut

where do they fall on the cooley rankings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31205041)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:08 PM
Author: gay gunner

plz look into this.

thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31690965)



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Date: October 18th, 2016 1:30 PM
Author: gay gunner

UPDATE: First-time pass rate now under 25%

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/law-school-posts-worst-bar-exam-passage-rates-in-its-existence-drags-down-entire-states-passage-rates/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31669657)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:20 PM
Author: kink-friendly meetinghouse

Boomers gonna boom

The law school now requires that all students with GPAs below a 3.33 take and pass a mock bar exam as a graduation requirement, knowing full well that such a requirement may preclude countless students from being able to graduate and further sully their otherwise abysmal bar exam passage rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691045)



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Date: October 20th, 2016 5:33 PM
Author: gay gunner

Are law school graduation rates published like they are for undergrad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#31691115)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: gay gunner

ABA puts Arizona Summit on probation because of its pure shit bar passage rates.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-education/2017/03/27/arizona-summit-law-school-probation-low-bar-passage-rates/99698686/

To regain compliance:

"At least 75 percent of a law school's graduates must pass the bar within five years of graduation; or a school must have a 75 percent pass rate for at least three of those five years."

Good luck!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946344)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 2:51 PM
Author: Hairraiser insanely creepy national mood

isn't Cooley the worst?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946365)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: gay gunner

It was the quintessential TTT school in the old PR/XO days.

But it has much higher bar passage rates than Arizona Summit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462650)



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Date: March 29th, 2017 3:05 PM
Author: Floppy Aqua Cumskin

I actually know one of these grads but she graduated a number of years ago when the school merely had a "bad" reputation

She does shitlaw and probably makes 50 or 60k if I had to guess

Has also been posting anti Trump shit non stop since the election

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#32946456)



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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:31 PM
Author: gay gunner

Job listing for a new dean.

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=d9ab3e634594eaa0

http://archive.is/x8ejZ

- "Although having had impressive bar examination outcomes for many years, the school in recent times has experienced a serious decline in this critical area."

- "The Council of the American Bar Association Section of Legal Education recently placed the school on probation, primarily due to lack of rigor in its admissions policy and academic program and processes."

- "Summit has been the subject of considerable negative publicity, especially in recent years as bar pass results declined."

- " Experience in legal education and law school administration is desirable, but is not an absolute requirement."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#33626404)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: Mildly autistic excitant dopamine institution

list line is amazing. Have they hired anyone yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462655)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Mind-boggling pozpig sex offender

I think I'll apply. I have experience in the education sector.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462915)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: gay gunner

https://abovethelaw.com/2017/10/this-law-schools-bar-exam-passage-rates-are-embarrassing/

July 2017 Arizona bar passage: 25.7%

But only 35 people took it (probably the best of the best).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462639)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: Rebellious razzle fat ankles indian lodge

how tough is the AZ bar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34462919)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:03 AM
Author: gay gunner

Probably in the fat middle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#34468463)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: gay gunner

Arizona Summit now suing the ABA for being unfair.

http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/Summit%20ABA%20complaint.pdf

Note:

1 - The lawyers can figure out how to center titles. Get rid of the tabs, you morons.

2 - Arizona Summit is being represented by lawyers who went to law school at: University of Arizona (local counsel), Harvard, Harvard, and Harvard. Not even token representation from one of the FINE Arizona Summit grads?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36128882)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: Contagious location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36222620)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: sienna diverse incel pit

on a good day can someone randomly guess a 140 without even reading the questions?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36222656)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: gay gunner

ABA:

"Following the May 10, 2018, appearance of Arizona Summit Law School’s representatives before the Council and the review of both the written materials submitted on behalf of the Law School and statements made at the Council hearing, the Council voted to remove the Law School from the ABA list of approved law schools."

https://bit.ly/2l1XjPq



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225033)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: boyish emerald resort turdskin

Fall 2016 140 143 148 2.55 2.96 3.31

NON-DISCOUNTED COST

$248,444

2017 GRADUATES

151

Large Firm 2%

Small Firm 18.5%

Federal Clerkship 0.7%

Public Service 10.6%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225063)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: gay gunner

31.8% get legal jobs.

That's $781,270 in education costs per legal job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225086)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Mildly autistic excitant dopamine institution

the lawsuit just got ten feet higher!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225249)



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Date: June 11th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: lemon space

i've met only one grad of the following schools and was convinced they were retarded:

cuny.

touro.

california western.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229164&forum_id=2#36225262)