zimmerman's gun used to kill trayvon sold for 250k not flame (reuters)
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Date: May 21st, 2016 12:43 AM Author: Nudist hominid
sorta
2901.05 Burden of proof - reasonable doubt - self-defense.
(A) Every person accused of an offense is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and the burden of proof for all elements of the offense is upon the prosecution. The burden of going forward with the evidence of an affirmative defense, and the burden of proof, by a preponderance of the evidence, for an affirmative defense, is upon the accused.
(B)
(1) Subject to division (B)(2) of this section, a person is presumed to have acted in self defense or defense of another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if the person against whom the defensive force is used is in the process of unlawfully and without privilege to do so entering, or has unlawfully and without privilege to do so entered, the residence or vehicle occupied by the person using the defensive force.
(2)
(a) The presumption set forth in division (B)(1) of this section does not apply if the person against whom the defensive force is used has a right to be in, or is a lawful resident of, the residence or vehicle.
(b) The presumption set forth in division (B)(1) of this section does not apply if the person who uses the defensive force uses it while in a residence or vehicle and the person is unlawfully, and without privilege to be, in that residence or vehicle.
(3) The presumption set forth in division (B)(1) of this section is a rebuttable presumption and may be rebutted by a preponderance of the evidence.
(C) As part of its charge to the jury in a criminal case, the court shall read the definitions of "reasonable doubt" and "proof beyond a reasonable doubt," contained in division (D) of this section.
i doubt this makes much of a difference compared to other states.
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Date: May 22nd, 2016 7:03 AM Author: Razzle pontificating alpha
TBF he's not doing himself any favors
how many victims who kill their attackers in self defense go on to cause a media circus by gleefully putting the gun they killed the person with up for an auction?
I'd imagine they find the entire situation really sad and scary and just want to forget about it and move on - most people would be really traumatiz d by taking mother humans life, self offense or now
as it is he seems to think it's a joke. xo won't get why people think it's offense because xo posters don't think about things in this way but it's just really inappropriate. Regardless of what you think about what happened, a 16 year old kid is dead. it's... a tragedy, whether you hold Zimmerman responsible or not.m it's not like David duchovny signed your napkin at Starbucks and you're putting it up for sale on eBay... Someone *died*. anyway this being xo and all I anticipate a bunch of angry responses insisting that Zimmerman acted in self defense, as though that has something to do with my post.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229551&forum_id=2#30530801) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2016 9:24 PM Author: Razzle pontificating alpha
I don't think any reasonable person thinks trayvon would have deserved the death penalty had he survived
even if he'd killed the dood - big allowance I'm granting you - I don't think he'd be charged with 1st degree murder. I'm no lawyer, but doesn't 1st degree murder require...deliberate planning? and if Zimmerman were killed in the midst of that sort of fight, I think any decent lawyer could plea it down even more, to manslaughter or something. like I said I'm no lawyer but I just don't see a 1st degree murder conviction for a .16 yo who accidentally kills someone during a fist fight
all reasonable people I know who think Zimmerman was fully in the right/acting in self defense still think the entire situation was tragic, not some sort of joke to make money off of
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229551&forum_id=2#30535388) |
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Date: May 24th, 2016 2:40 AM Author: Nudist hominid
had Trayvon survived and Zimmerman been killed? a lot of reasonable people would have believed Trayvon deserved the death penalty.
how do you figure it's a big allowance? he was smashing his head into the concrete
i agree that the case would have likely ended up being pled to less than 1st degree. however, that assumes Trayvon would admit guilt to save his life. it's a 1st degree case with a trial.
all reasonable people you know? yeah, if your definition is that they agree with you then you'll get that result. true begging the question.
whitey stood behind Zimmerman because Trayvon, as portrayed, came across as the ghetto punk who deserved to get killed under these circumstances. had Trayvon been a smidge sympathetic, then 'the entire situation was tragic' might be a more popular sentiment.
as it is, Zimmerman, 'the victim', should cash out on the gun
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Date: May 24th, 2016 2:39 AM Author: up-to-no-good toilet seat
His listing said a portion of the proceeds would go toward fighting what Zimmerman calls violence by the Black Lives Matter movement against law enforcement officers, combating anti-gun rhetoric of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and ending the career of state attorney Angela Corey, who led Zimmerman's prosecution.
The listing ended with a Latin phrase that translates as 'if you want peace, prepare for war.
God bless this alpha hero
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229551&forum_id=2#30545532)
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Date: May 24th, 2016 3:34 AM Author: Razzle pontificating alpha
lol xo would support this trashy piece of shit
regardless of what you think of the son these peoples teenage son was fucking killed, under highly controversial circumstances
I don't think anyone would come off looking great under those circumstances, and regardless it's not cool or "alpha" to taunt them or lecture them on why their dead teenage son was a piece of shit and deserved to be taken out. like, am I insane to think he could have at least just stfu and not mentioned them period? people are illogically protective of their offspring (particuarly those who are still minors)... of course they were going to support him, believe the version of events most flattering towards him and want the person who killed him punished. to expect anything else from human beings is *word I am no longer allowed to see least people bump that dumbass thread about me*
xo's understanding of what is "alpha" is just so fucking out of whack.
xo posters are the dorks who think being alpha means being an asshole 24/7 and are surprised when doing this doesn't get them chicks, confused because it apparently worked for chad
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229551&forum_id=2#30545623) |
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Date: May 24th, 2016 9:41 AM Author: Talented Bipolar Antidepressant Drug Generalized Bond
There was a trial and the truth was revealed.
Act like a crazy wild thug, face the consequences.
Plus Zimmerman's ability to make a living was destroyed.
Support him 100% here, even though he seems like a huge asshole IRL.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3229551&forum_id=2#30546200) |
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