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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-17/it-s-up-t...
Black chapel
  08/18/16
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/
180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke
  08/18/16
As the Chinese population moves into the middle class, their...
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
*starts nuclear war over unhealthy food*
180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke
  08/18/16
Basic human needs Just wait until the Indians get their s...
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
Fish do not provide anything that plants can't.
180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke
  08/18/16
That would be fine - fits my #2 hypo
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
Culture change is impossible you naive fucktard.
180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke
  08/18/16
(Guy who lives in a country where dietary habits have shifte...
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
More like fad diets over past 100 years
concupiscible indecent love of her life set
  08/18/16
Nah, think about much more meat, poultry, and fish we consum...
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
We consume less beef but far more poultry and farmed fish ha...
concupiscible indecent love of her life set
  08/18/16
chicken is bad for you?
Cerebral spruce abode
  08/18/16
I don't eat meat, but if someone put a gun to my head my ord...
concupiscible indecent love of her life set
  08/18/16
holy shit
Cerebral spruce abode
  08/18/16
Yeah the reason fitness models get away with eating nothing ...
concupiscible indecent love of her life set
  08/18/16
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/chicken/
180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke
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4. Chinese perfect DNA modification, create army of +200 IQ ...
mewling ruby liquid oxygen dilemma
  08/18/16
*Said experiments go awry, turning them into Chink-Demons. U...
splenetic theatre chad
  08/18/16
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best case scenario
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Only solution superSOYlent green
Dashing office
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I rike a fish stick. No rike a talltall soss too spicy
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boyish underhanded idiot
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you can farm fish
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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:28 AM
Author: Black chapel

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-17/it-s-up-to-china-to-save-asia-s-oceans

By

Adam Minter

On Wednesday, Indonesia celebrated its Independence Day with a bang -- blowing up several Chinese boats that had been caught fishing illegally in its waters and impounded. China doesn't dispute Indonesia's territorial claims, but Chinese fishermen have more pressing concerns. According to reports in Chinese state media this week, overfishing and pollution have so depleted China's own fishery resources that in some places -- including the East China Sea -- there are virtually "no fish" left.

That's a frightening prospect for an increasingly hungry country: China accounted for 35 percent of the world's seafood consumption in 2015. Seeking catches further afield -- including in Indonesian waters -- isn't really a solution; fish stocks in the disputed South China Sea have themselves fallen by as much as 95 percent from 1950s levels. If China doesn't want the rest of Asia's fisheries to suffer the same fate as its own, it's going to have to think much more ambitiously about how to create a sustainable food supply for the region.

As in other developing countries, China's ascent up the income ladder has been accompanied by an improvement in quality and quantity of diet. Seafood -- once a pricey luxury in much of the country -- has become commonplace, even inland; China is now the world's biggest seafood consumer and exporter. The economic impact has been extraordinary. Between 1979 and 2013, China's fleet of motorized fishing vessels grew from 55,225 to 694,905 boats, while the number of people employed in the fishing industry exploded from 2.25 million to more than 14 million. Meanwhile, the average fisherman's income increased from around $15 per month to nearly $2,000 per month. Today, the fishing industry generates more than $260 billion annually, accounting for around 3 percent of Chinese GDP.

But in pursuing growth (and catch) at all costs, China's fishermen have exacted a terrible environmental toll. Today, the Yangtze River, which supplies 60 percent of China's freshwater catch, produces less than a quarter of the fish it did in 1954, and most of the 170 species in the river are on the verge of extinction. The situation is no better offshore. The government acknowledges that Chinese fishermen routinely exceed annual sustainable catch limits in Chinese territorial seas by 30 percent or more. A visit to any Chinese seafood market will turn up large inventories of under-sized fish that should never have been hauled in in the first place.

Blame for this state of affairs falls on both the fishing industry and the government, which spent $6.5 billion on fisheries subsidies in 2013 alone. Nearly all of that money paid for cheap fuel that allowed and arguably encouraged Chinese fishermen to venture further from shore, often into the comparatively un-plundered exclusive economic zones of countries such as Indonesia. Worse, the Chinese military has openly abetted those efforts by subsidizing everything from ice to GPS on Chinese fishing boats. The goal: to solidify China's claim to "historical fishing rights" in the vast and deeply contested South China Sea.

Chinese regulators are fighting a losing battle against these other wings of the government. In 1999, China imposed a seasonal fishing ban in the South China Sea, and in 2002 regulators did the same in sections of the Yangtze River. But the continued deterioration of both fisheries only underscores how ineffective those restrictions have been. In response, in 2013 one Chinese scientist proposed an outright 10-year moratorium on fishing in the economically essential Yangtze. This week, Chinese officials signaled they were open to the idea and were even considering a wholesale culling of China's fishing fleet.

While both measures would be a boon to Asia's fisheries, they're only a start. To make a real difference, China would need to demilitarize its fishing fleets and end the ruinous military-funded fuel subsidies that are encouraging unregulated catches, not to mention raising geopolitical tensions. Fishing fleets should be regulated by civilian marine and agricultural authorities, not generals with little interest in environmental sustainability.

Equally important, China should explicitly link the task of reviving and preserving fisheries to the clean water and other environmental initiatives in its economic planning documents, including the government's five-year plans. Doing so would raise them to a national priority akin to cleaning up Beijing's air.

Those priorities could then be extended to trade agreements, including the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) China's currently negotiating with other Asian nations, as well as bilateral deals with other claimants in the South China Sea. The goal should be to make China a leader -- and perhaps even a brand -- in sustainable seafood. With luck, that would buy China not just more fish to eat, but a reputation as a responsible global citizen.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.

To contact the author of this story:

Adam Minter at aminter@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story:

Nisid Hajari at nhajari@bloomberg.net

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214363)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:29 AM
Author: 180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke

http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214368)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:39 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

As the Chinese population moves into the middle class, their demand for limited resources is going to explode.

Their government only maintains legitimacy by keeping the population content and promising opportunity for all.

The pressure that Chinese demand will put on international relations and the international supply chain will be enormous. Their continued fishing in other countries EEZ will be a constant source of tension.

This will go one of three ways:

1. Chinese govt can't keep population happy, it reaches a critical point which results in revolution or change of leadership (this is least likely as the CCP will never cede power without a fight)

2. Chinese change their culture/diet to explore other food sources and technology allows supply to keep up with demand (this is somewhat likely)

3. Chinese demand outpaces supply, leading China to continually battle other countries for diminishing, limited resources. This will eventually lead to regional, and possibly international, armed conflict.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214418)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:40 AM
Author: 180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke

*starts nuclear war over unhealthy food*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214420)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:41 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

Basic human needs

Just wait until the Indians get their shit together. The only hope is that they aren't as warlike as the chinks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214422)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:42 AM
Author: 180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke

Fish do not provide anything that plants can't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214428)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:43 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

That would be fine - fits my #2 hypo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214436)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:44 AM
Author: 180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke

Culture change is impossible you naive fucktard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214442)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:47 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

(Guy who lives in a country where dietary habits have shifted multiple times due to changing economic circumstances)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214461)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:52 AM
Author: concupiscible indecent love of her life set

More like fad diets over past 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214500)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:55 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

Nah, think about much more meat, poultry, and fish we consume now than we did 50, 100, 150 years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214513)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:04 AM
Author: concupiscible indecent love of her life set

We consume less beef but far more poultry and farmed fish has been replacing wild fish.

https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/meat-consumption.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1539632/thumbs/o-MEAT-CONSUMPTION-570.jpg?6

I think this explains obesity pretty well too. Beef is far more filling than chicken, so tougher to overeat beef. Whereas fish is also easy to overeat on, it is far less calorically dense than chicken and many species are basically pure protein [but farmed fish is fatty with bad o-6 fats]. Also wild fish has good fats versus farmed fish.

US Consumes far less seafood than meat though:

http://assets.panda.org/img/original/us_beef_chicken_seafood_consumption_per_capita_1965_2013.jpg

Relative to all animal protein, fish is least consumed in the US:

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicken+consumption&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRrKjwncvOAhUGph4KHZcVAPAQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=fish+consumption+by+country&imgrc=1jnY1pp8ZZrwCM%3A

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214553)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:06 AM
Author: Cerebral spruce abode

chicken is bad for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214564)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:09 AM
Author: concupiscible indecent love of her life set

I don't eat meat, but if someone put a gun to my head my order would be: wild fish, beef, turkey, chicken/farmed fish. Most chicken is pumped full of antibiotics and phatalates, which directly lower testosterone levels in men:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19059903

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214573)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:14 AM
Author: Cerebral spruce abode

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214603)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:31 AM
Author: concupiscible indecent love of her life set

Yeah the reason fitness models get away with eating nothing but chicken and brown rice is because they're pumping themselves full of testosterone. I'm not a fishmo, but the science is very controversial and I think it is disingenuous when people group wild fish and grass-fed pasture raised beef with CAFO animals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214704)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:13 AM
Author: 180 Sepia Lettuce Yarmulke

http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/chicken/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214597)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:42 AM
Author: mewling ruby liquid oxygen dilemma

4. Chinese perfect DNA modification, create army of +200 IQ scientists, said scientists solve global hunger crisis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214432)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:44 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad

*Said experiments go awry, turning them into Chink-Demons. UN sends in The Rock, along with a crack team of space marines, to clean up the mess.*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214446)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:47 AM
Author: Cracking Regret Parlor

5. Chinese embrace genetic modification, modify entire generation of children, fuck it up, and entire generation dies of Tay-Sachs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214460)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:48 AM
Author: low-t beady-eyed telephone

best case scenario

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214472)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:49 AM
Author: splenetic theatre chad



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:09 AM
Author: stimulating erotic hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214569)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:46 AM
Author: Cerebral spruce abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214455)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 10:49 AM
Author: Dashing office

Only solution superSOYlent green

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214481)



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Date: August 18th, 2016 11:08 AM
Author: glittery territorial pervert

I rike a fish stick. No rike a talltall soss too spicy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31214566)



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Date: August 19th, 2016 4:01 AM
Author: boyish underhanded idiot



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Date: August 19th, 2016 4:03 AM
Author: irradiated transparent roommate mediation

you can farm fish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#31220760)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: Black chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3325618&forum_id=2#36297458)