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Wall Street Journal: "Why it's so hard to fill sales jobs"

https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/why-its-...
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
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tedcruztp
  12/17/16
Long hours, customers suck, have to make ppl like u, "h...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
I pay back my salary in 20-25% increments of my Margins or w...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
Shitlennial values don't jive with sales culture. No wonder...
Mance Rayder
  12/17/16
LJL it's baby boomers fault for brainwashing their kids that...
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
the worst managers ive ever had were in the sales positions ...
Joe Satriani frowning at coldplay fan tp
  12/17/16
You sound weak
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
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Before the Law
  12/17/16
it doesn't help that many sales "teams" and divisi...
,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.
  12/17/16
CR
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
One good thing about the sales company I work for is that if...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
Why do they hire so many young ppl
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
100% of job openings are entry level sales, base is 35k, jus...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
Are the older folks making good $$$
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
Older is like 30-32, I work in a small office of the company...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
on a scale of 1-10 how hot are you and your girlfriend
catatonic meatpuppet
  12/17/16
I would say objective 8s, I'm 5'11", mid winter bulk so...
donkeypunch
  12/18/16
Also retention is a joke, i started w 20 other ppl a little ...
donkeypunch
  12/17/16
That's common in sales
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
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borders
  12/17/16
maybe people being quite literally raped by corporations alm...
Frank Lloyd Wrong
  12/17/16
nobody has ever been "quite literally raped by [a] corp...
Wilbur Mercer, man in miniature
  12/17/16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Goldman_Sachs_Mass_Rape_I...
catatonic meatpuppet
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Frank Lloyd Wrong
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shad248
  12/18/16
^Guy at TTT really passionate about capital allocation and h...
So we looked at the data
  12/17/16
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Cisco-has-a-ruthless-a...
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  12/17/16
180^180
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
why are you 180'ing a tired story
pepito .
  12/17/16
Holy shit. So if you did well for say, 6 months, and one mon...
''""''""
  12/17/16
This is an extreme example, most companies aren't like this.
,,.,:,;..,;:.,;,.:;,..,;:..,;
  12/17/16
Also, it's anecdotal evidence. I'm sure he exaggerated his c...
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
This is an IRL phenomenon. I worked for a company where they...
''""''""
  12/17/16
for all the xo obsession with "coders don't have a futu...
404 poster not found
  12/17/16
Most companies actually prefer sales bros to be aged 28-35.....
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
We offer a toxic environment, offload almost all compensatio...
~~(>' ' )>
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catatonic meatpuppet
  12/17/16
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Before the Law
  12/17/16
hey
catatonic meatpuppet
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Mance Rayder
  12/17/16
Wait, we talking about law now?
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
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d( . )n't run nigga i see y( . )u
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donkeypunch
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borders
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tedcruztp
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Aspie Pickup Line
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"absurdly opaque path for career advancement" L...
.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
  12/18/16
LOL at the guys who would blame you for "not getting it...
Aspie Pickup Line
  12/17/16
LOL -- and I can't even cop a sales job bc interviewers can'...
TRUMPdog Billionaire
  12/17/16
Why'd you go to law school?
tedcruztp
  12/17/16
Great question, glad you asked.
Fix You
  12/17/16
because young 20s bros with little real life experience are ...
TRUMPdog Billionaire
  12/18/16
R u really trying to cop a sales job. I promise the company ...
donkeypunch
  12/18/16


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Date: December 17th, 2016 5:54 PM
Author: tedcruztp

https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/why-its-so-hard-to-fill-sales-jobs-1423002730?client=safari

Some companies are having a hard time selling people on a career in sales.

As the U.S. economy gains momentum, companies selling technology and other services to corporate customers are struggling to fill potentially lucrative sales jobs.

Sales reps who peddle technical and scientific products earned a median annual wage of $74,970 in 2012, more than twice the median for all workers, according to the Labor Department. A competitive hiring market for science and tech workers is part of the reason, but employers also say young workers are uninterested in sales—a field they perceive as risky and defined by competition.

Technical sales and sales-management positions play a critical role for U.S. businesses, but they are among the hardest to fill, according to a 2014 report from Harvard Business School’s U.S. Competitiveness Project. Employers spent an average of 41 days trying to fill technical sales jobs, compared with an average of 33 days for all jobs for the 12-month period ending in September 2014, according to Burning Glass, a labor-market analysis firm that worked with Harvard Business School on the report.

Paycor Inc., which sells cloud-based software for human-resources and payroll management, said it would have forecast $2 million more in 2015 revenue if it had hit its 2014 hiring goals for new sales reps in 2014. The time spent bringing new reps up to speed means the company doesn’t see the full benefit of their productivity until 12 to 18 months into their tenure.

“That wakes you up,” said Bob Coughlin, chief executive Paycor, which has about $130 million in annual revenue. In the past few years, the Cincinnati-based company has added seven dedicated sales recruiters, hired a director of learning to boost training and support for the sales team, and modernized its sales software.

Paycor’s sales staff has since grown to 240 people from 125 three or four years ago, Mr. Coughlin said. Even so, he said persuading young people to enter the field remains a challenge.

The youngest generation of workers, having lived through the financial crisis and recession, is more risk-averse, say sales executives, adding that young prospects are reluctant to enter a hard-charging work environment where success often boils down to a number.

In addition, “there’s a huge stereotype that sales isn’t really a career—that either anyone can do it or you’re born to it,” said Suzanne Fogel, chair of the marketing department at DePaul University’s Driehaus College of Business. Parents share some of those misconceptions, and often dissuade their children from pursuing sales careers, she added. (They change their tune once their children start getting job offers, Ms. Fogel said.)

Selling technical and scientific products in a business-to-business environment differs from the stereotypes in “Death of a Salesman” or David Mamet’s Pulitzer Prize-winning play “Glengarry Glen Ross,” whose film adaptation has a real estate salesman famously declaring: “First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado…Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you’re fired.”

As companies become savvier about the products they buy, wheeler-dealers are out, and problem-solvers are in. Sales organizations today are more commonly structured as teams, with lower-ranking members identifying prospects and developing early interest, someone else running through the specs or demos on highly technical products, and field reps negotiating and closing deals, employers say.

Curiously, few employers have realized they need a different sales pitch to attract a younger cohort, said Nick Toman, a managing director who oversees the sales practice at business advisory firm CEB, pointing to sales-job postings that use phrases like “competitive environment,” and “tremendous variable compensation packages.”

“Those things become huge turnoffs to a lot of potential applicants,” he added. “People today want to be part of a team, they want stable pay.”

They also want a clear career path, along with support to work their way up. Business-software giant Oracle Corp. , which has a famously competitive sales culture, began recruiting reps on college campuses a few years ago. Students frequently show a “lack of awareness” about sales roles, said Sharon Prosser, group vice president of Oracle Direct, but their interest is piqued when they learn that the field is well-suited to “continuous learners and that there’s training and career progression built into the program.”

To find job candidates, Acquia Inc., a cloud-based open-source software company in Burlington, Mass., last fall sponsored a sales contest at Bryant University in Rhode Island.

At Bryant, 140 students presented mock sales pitches, and about five recruiters were on hand, said Tim Bertrand, an Acquia sales executive.

“Every candidate that looked really good, we were going up and saying ‘We’d like to interview you now for a June job.’” The company intends to hire seven to nine contest participants.

The contest winner, Tom Keenan, a 21-year-old senior at Bryant, says his mother urged him to enter. Days later, he interviewed for a job as a business development rep at Acquia; he starts in June.

“If you asked me six months ago if I’d become a salesman, I would’ve said absolutely not,” he said, noting that he had assumed that “salespeople only sold products to take the consumers’ money—and that bothered me.”

Companies are rethinking their compensation strategies to appeal to young people who want more of a financial safety net, favoring a higher base pay with a lower proportion of the riskier commission pay. In the pay mix for sales jobs, the base portion has increased 11.7% from 2010 through 2014 while the variable amount has remained steady, according to Xactly Corp., a firm whose software tracks sales compensation and helps companies formulate incentive strategies.

“People don’t want super high-risk jobs,” said Christopher Cabrera, Xactly’s CEO. Companies typically offer a 50-50 split of base and variable pay for entry-level jobs, he said.

As much as companies are eager to fill sales-rep jobs, the heavy investment to get new hires up to speed has made employers careful about bringing on new blood, says Alan Benson, a professor at the University of Minnesota Carlson School of Management who studies sales organizations.

“To get someone through the door means you also have to train them, and that can be extremely expensive. There’s usually a ramp-up of six months before they’re productive, so you can’t really take a risk.”

To hedge their bets, more employers are requiring new hires arrive with a college degree. Some 56% of job postings for wholesale and technical sales reps ads now require a bachelor’s degree, but only 43% of current sales workers have that degree, according to an analysis by Burning Glass Technologies.

Universities are getting the message. DePaul has revised its sales courses to reflect the new reality of sales jobs, emphasizing critical thinking and collaboration, said Ms. Fogel. A biannual DePaul survey found that 101 U.S. colleges offered sales curricula in 2011, up from 44 in 2007.

“These are great jobs that are going begging,” said Ms. Fogel. “It’s a field that may finally be getting a little respect.”

Write to Lauren Weber at lauren.weber@wsj.com



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167137)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 5:59 PM
Author: tedcruztp



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167186)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:01 PM
Author: donkeypunch

Long hours, customers suck, have to make ppl like u, "high base pay" LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167202)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:03 PM
Author: donkeypunch

I pay back my salary in 20-25% increments of my Margins or what I sell, only get paid when my customer pays. Have >95k out w one customer over 70 days in age, lost all commission on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167225)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:04 PM
Author: Mance Rayder (mance rayder tp)

Shitlennial values don't jive with sales culture. No wonder they're trying to change the culture, but really there's only so much they can do when idiots say shit like the following:

“If you asked me six months ago if I’d become a salesman, I would’ve said absolutely not,” he said, noting that he had assumed that “salespeople only sold products to take the consumers’ money—and that bothered me.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167230)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:22 PM
Author: tedcruztp

LJL it's baby boomers fault for brainwashing their kids that a nice, stable salaried job is the only CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167370)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:17 PM
Author: Joe Satriani frowning at coldplay fan tp

the worst managers ive ever had were in the sales positions ive held

sales isnt a good job for a lot of people. its super competitive and youre only as good as what youre doing/selling RIGHT NOW. your managers dont care what you did last week or last month, they care about what youre selling right this instant. all that matters are your numbers. thats very discouraging for a lot of people.

throw in the fact that in most sales positions, your income varies wildly, and its no wonder most people dont want to do sales. i wouldnt do sales again for any amount of money. its a bad kind of stress and not at all fun.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167346)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:22 PM
Author: tedcruztp

You sound weak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167378)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:27 PM
Author: Before the Law



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167411)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:24 PM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


it doesn't help that many sales "teams" and divisions are still managed by increasingly-senile boomer pricks whose ideas about the business have remained locked in place since the 70's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167391)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:28 PM
Author: tedcruztp

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167418)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:34 PM
Author: donkeypunch

One good thing about the sales company I work for is that if you're over 30 your old asf, which is nice Bc nobody cares about bullshit stuff like boomers do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167471)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:35 PM
Author: tedcruztp

Why do they hire so many young ppl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167484)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:38 PM
Author: donkeypunch

100% of job openings are entry level sales, base is 35k, just not appealing to anyone but young ppl and u need to be ready to be on call 24/7. There's

One dude in my office who's like 45, but he lost his job as an iron worker during 08 and "reinvented" himself by getting into sales

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167511)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:40 PM
Author: tedcruztp

Are the older folks making good $$$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167529)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:44 PM
Author: donkeypunch

Older is like 30-32, I work in a small office of the company (<20), office leader makes 150k+, when the office starts making enough rev he'll become a sales manager and make like 100k base and be given private shares in the company.

In the bigger office where I started one dude is like 28-29, pulls down 300k+, the most successful person in the company (who's not in management), pulls down 30k+/paycheck

My gf works there too and has made up to 7k/week, been there two years



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167571)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:53 PM
Author: catatonic meatpuppet

on a scale of 1-10 how hot are you and your girlfriend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167625)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 6:23 PM
Author: donkeypunch

I would say objective 8s, I'm 5'11", mid winter bulk so look bigger from behind but tummy isn't incredibly lean, she goes to the gym 3-4x/week, squats some, does yoga, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32174247)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:46 PM
Author: donkeypunch

Also retention is a joke, i started w 20 other ppl a little over 1.5 years ago, there are 3 left from my hiring cohort (including myself)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167583)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:50 PM
Author: tedcruztp

That's common in sales

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167604)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:52 PM
Author: borders (Padre)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168012)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:18 PM
Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong

maybe people being quite literally raped by corporations almost constantly outside of work can't face another 10+ hours per day of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167353)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:27 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, man in miniature (Wilbur Mercer)

nobody has ever been "quite literally raped by [a] corporation"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167417)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:53 PM
Author: catatonic meatpuppet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Goldman_Sachs_Mass_Rape_Incident

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167622)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:56 PM
Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168039)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 6:13 PM
Author: shad248



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32174200)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:53 PM
Author: So we looked at the data

^Guy at TTT really passionate about capital allocation and helping maximize shareholder value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167624)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 6:54 PM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Cisco-has-a-ruthless-and-cut-throat-sales-culture

I worked for Cisco for six years. The top salesmen made millions of dollars per year and I wouldn't have traded places with them for all of that money. They were emotionally beaten constantly. I saw men age 20 years in the course of two or three. One ate Tums as if they were candy. He kept the large jar in his car at all times. I went on many sales calls. There were only two kinds of sales people -- those on their way up and those on their way out. The ones the way up would stab you in the stomach with a smile on their face to accomplish what they wanted. They would say absolutely anything it took to get the deal. The ones on the way out were shaken, emotionally washed out regrettful millionaires who can never forget what they did to get where they are. I saw men who made $2 million last year fired with no ceremony for failing to meet quota this year. Cisco had a boiler room where they would hire pretty much any new college graduate who thought they had what it took. They gave them six months then cut without compunction or second thought. It can never be forgotten that Cisco is a money making machine and there are no superfluous parts in the sales force. You operate at 100% 100% of the time and when you show any sign of wear, you are replaced. They are nice about it. There's a great severance package. But there is no sentimentality about it either. You can never, ever forget -- people may be loyal to companies but companies are loyal only to the bottom line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167629)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:14 PM
Author: tedcruztp

180^180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167755)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:20 PM
Author: pepito .

why are you 180'ing a tired story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167782)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:34 PM
Author: ''""''""


Holy shit. So if you did well for say, 6 months, and one month you have bad luck and get a bunch of poors who can't afford what you sell, you're out? Un-fucking-believable. They're idiots. A good salesman is a good salesman. But he can't make poors buy shit they can't afford and luck plays a role. I've been there.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167888)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:07 PM
Author: ,,.,:,;..,;:.,;,.:;,..,;:..,;


This is an extreme example, most companies aren't like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168093)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:15 PM
Author: tedcruztp

Also, it's anecdotal evidence. I'm sure he exaggerated his claim. Don't believe everything you read on quora

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168141)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:17 PM
Author: ''""''""


This is an IRL phenomenon. I worked for a company where they had a shit shit shit supervisor in charge of around 15 salesmen. If he didn't like a particular (even top) salesman for whatever reason, he'd take advantage of his lowest months to put him on a PIP and then if he did not improve dramatically (which is unlikely in a bad season where everyone was low) he'd be fired even if he had numbers above the median. And I'm talking about a literal garbage supervisor who did monkey work--just check numbers and fire/keep. Give stupid sales "talks" that didn't help anyone. Still wondering how he got into that position since he was completely incompetent and got rid of great sales people who stood up against his shit behavior.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168445)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:17 PM
Author: 404 poster not found (ohnoe)

for all the xo obsession with "coders don't have a future after 30", tech sales is much more ruthless when it comes to ageism

lots of these guys also get tired of it and end up going for an mba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167763)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:45 PM
Author: tedcruztp

Most companies actually prefer sales bros to be aged 28-35...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168556)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:18 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

We offer a toxic environment, offload almost all compensation risk to our employees, and have an absurdly opaque path for career advancement.

(continues to ponder hiring difficulties)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167769)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:21 PM
Author: catatonic meatpuppet



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167790)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:23 PM
Author: Before the Law



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167802)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:24 PM
Author: catatonic meatpuppet

hey

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167814)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:22 PM
Author: Mance Rayder (mance rayder tp)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167794)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:24 PM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

Wait, we talking about law now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167811)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:13 PM
Author: d( . )n't run nigga i see y( . )u



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168428)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:31 PM
Author: donkeypunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32167872)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 7:56 PM
Author: borders (Padre)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168044)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:13 PM
Author: tedcruztp



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168120)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:29 PM
Author: Aspie Pickup Line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168195)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 5:56 PM
Author: .,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.


"absurdly opaque path for career advancement"

LJL at any top sales guy wanting to move into management when they make more than CEOs of their own companies. LJL at you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32174078)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:32 PM
Author: Aspie Pickup Line

LOL at the guys who would blame you for "not getting it done" admitting they can't close the only sale necessary to their existence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168204)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 8:41 PM
Author: TRUMPdog Billionaire (Dr. Thunder)

LOL -- and I can't even cop a sales job bc interviewers can't understand why I'd leave law.

Well, I could probably cop car sales. Might have to resort to that humiliation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168246)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:04 PM
Author: tedcruztp

Why'd you go to law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168384)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:05 PM
Author: Fix You

Great question, glad you asked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32168391)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 6:12 PM
Author: TRUMPdog Billionaire (Dr. Thunder)

because young 20s bros with little real life experience are easily fooled into making bad decisions.

did not expect practicing law to be so awful and the legal job market so bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32174190)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 6:25 PM
Author: donkeypunch

R u really trying to cop a sales job. I promise the company I work for would at least interview u, biggest market they have an office in is Boston, mostly Midwest + south. Also one in Phoenix

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463648&forum_id=2#32174259)