Is this the norm for people like secretaries and service workers?

Meanwhile, I haven't been too sick to come to the office in years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298341)

actually no.

the reason your differentiate sick days instead of general PTO is that you HAVE to pay your employees for accrued PTO either at the end of the year, when they cash it in, or when they quit.

By making the sick time distinction you cheap cunts don't have to pay them for it or let it accrue.

So yes you are asking for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298415)

But it is for being sick, so not sure why we'd pay them for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298443)

In other words, if you want you secretary around more often, pay her for the sick days she doesn't use.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298471)

Would you really expect anyone to use a vacation day rather than a sick day for a random day off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298500)

BTW, this woman made $86k with bonus last year, and she is 31 years old.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298549)

I used to get annoyed when my secretary would take sick days only on Fridays, but that's what all non professional employees do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298361)

I use all my sick days and personal days before dipping into vacation days and so do all the other employees. I still come into work if I'm sick. I don't think I've ever taken a real sick day. Why does it matter whether or not she's actually sick, as long as she's taking days off that she is entitled to?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298544)

I'm not sure why it bothers you that she take so much time off. In all my years of having a secretary, I've used them for like 1 hour/week at the most but still have to give Xmas gift and admin day gift or whatever. Your standards for an admin should be lower.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32299108)

It then accrues throughout the year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298884)

On the other hand, I sometimes don't go to work if I don't need to be in the office and otherwise don't feel like it. So whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298892)

You should probably just have 5 days of sick leave and then decide whether or not you want to give more PTO which you have to pay for. Might not affect your secretary but it probably would for others who like to get paid for unused PTO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32298989)

old, tenured secretaries in biglaw firms though are basically untouchable. at my firm their leave rolls over, so she basically didn't take any for the last ten years and now that she has grandkids she just jets whenever she feels like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32299005)

i have seen 5-6 flurries go past my window.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32306270)

Why not?

I'm a workaholic who routinely puts in 60+ hour weeks but you better believe I take off every single day I accrue. Only in the US do you find this weird sentiment that there's something wrong with taking all your days off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32430864)

Life in corporate America is a miserable fucking slog for well adjusted, normal people. People hate wasting their lives sitting at desks.

This may come as a surprise to striver law robots, but people view days off as a benefit and take them. Only TTT nanny companies/firms differentiate between "sick days" and "vacation days" because it invites a weird discussion about what counts as what. If you offer 2 weeks of vacation and 10 days of sick days, just call it 24 days of PTO and don't act as an autistic nanny state company.

God damn, this is why I could never go back to working for someone else again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32430944)

Devil's advocate: If she were actually sick all those days, would you like her coming in and getting everyone else sick?

TBF: I've left at least 6 weeks of paid sick time on the table over the last 7 years. I'm considering changing this policy and taking "well weeks" off from now on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#32431419)

On the other hand, if you differentiate between vacation days and sick days, employees are more likely to stay home with a cold, etc (which employers want). However, you're also likely to see that the Friday before a long weekend an employee is suddenly "sick". Employers generally don't mind the time off here (which is why some just do PTO only), but the issue is this is always unscheduled. With PTO, you know a week or so in advance that you'll need coverage for that person, but nobody tells you a couple weeks in advance that they are going to be "sick".

Employers who are more concerned about planning might go to a PTO only model whereas employees whose absence isn't that detrimental are more likely to have differentiated days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3481235&forum_id=2#33055805)