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The Trump Tax Plan is 180

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf ...
Alpha Dog
  02/17/17
They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,...
Alpha Dog
  02/17/17
If the plan is "revenue neutral" doesn't that mean...
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  02/17/17
everyone > 50K and < 250K or something ljl everyone h...
Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List
  02/18/17
but will he simply the tax code? like he promised...
crafty prole cheating mcdonalds
  02/17/17
180...good part about getting rid of the death tax is it nea...
EXPLOSIVE diarrhea!!!!
  02/17/17
flame, boomers are going to spend it all on granite countert...
Waveracewar 64
  02/17/17
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  02/17/17
The estate tax is meant for rich fucks like Trump who haven'...
froodfrood
  02/17/17
And those rich fucks structure their affairs in such a way t...
Main Force Patrol
  02/17/17
so why do they agitate so hard to get rid of it? they sti...
,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.
  02/17/17
(Guy who has never worked in T&E) wrong
kid
  02/18/17
they already can, up to $5.5 million per person. so your ric...
baby boomer espousing benefits of home ownership
  02/18/17
This. But the Rapetile propaganda against the estate tax has...
Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List
  02/18/17
why?
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  02/17/17
mostly because I'll pay a lot less in taxes
Alpha Dog
  02/17/17
his name in the header, 180
pethereum
  02/17/17
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  02/17/17
that plan is pure fantasy unless it's supplemented with othe...
exethereum
  02/17/17
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whomjustjoined
  02/17/17
federal soda tax
tech founder hoverboarding towards small business
  02/17/17
Does this really "remove" nearly 75 million househ...
whomjustjoined
  02/17/17
I worry about the ability to generate sufficient tax income....
Judas Jones
  02/17/17
It will never pass. 39% approval Cheeto starts pushing a Cha...
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.
  02/17/17
100% agree about death tax
Metal Up Your Ass
  02/17/17
No. It should be higher and subject to lower thresholds.
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
Generational wealth is a cancer.
join the conversation
  02/17/17
...
wlb
  02/17/17
Generational wealth is mostly flame.
Patriots elected Trump, Randy
  02/17/17
untrue
exethereum
  02/17/17
Then a high death tax won't affect anyone
Ciroc Obama
  02/17/17
This. Seriously LJL @ wah wah death tax is so oppressive for...
Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List
  02/18/17
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The Shadow of the Diaperer
  02/17/17
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crafty prole cheating mcdonalds
  02/17/17
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kil
  02/18/17
I agree bequests should be taxed at huge levels
wlb
  02/17/17
Have to encourage spending and lifetime gifts.
froodfrood
  02/17/17
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Bopher, Deehs, Knutz LLP
  02/17/17
"Freelancer living job to job will pay no more than 15%...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
Fuck Glocap! But awesome that my boomer parents now don't ha...
trans faggot express
  02/17/17
It must be a lot of money if you even have to worry about th...
whomjustjoined
  02/17/17
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  02/17/17
"All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with f...
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
Correct. The real complication comes in the form of deductio...
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  02/17/17
things like mortgage interest deduction, 401k, etc. will nev...
I really like it here.
  02/17/17
which is why this tax plan is retarded.
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I really like it here.
  02/17/17
The new TTP- NOWAG edition
Limp Biscuit
  02/17/17
"You paid taxes on it when you earned it." This...
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
All of those people are further earning it as income. Dumb ...
Sloan
  02/17/17
Holy shit, you do realize gifts over a certain amount are ta...
whomjustjoined
  02/17/17
holy shit you realize only if lifetime gifts exceed the life...
xt
  02/17/17
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529267&foru...
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
"Should we start taxing birthday presents faggot?"...
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
This "plan" is dumber than shit, and anyone who th...
~~(>' ' )>
  02/17/17
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  02/17/17
TBF, it is dumb as shit, but if it can get passed I would li...
Alpha Dog
  02/17/17
What would this do for a single earner who makes as much as ...
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.
  02/17/17
you'd pay more lmfao
Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List
  02/18/17
Not flaming you, but can you explain the Pros and Cons of th...
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  02/17/17
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  02/17/17
Doesnt do enough if he doesnt get rid of FICA and medicare t...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
2018 and 2020 could be a GOP BLOODBATH if they go after the ...
join the conversation
  02/17/17
The doc says mortgage interest still deductible for all brac...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
yeah there is no way that gets eliminated
I really like it here.
  02/17/17
They should add rental deduction
Waveracewar 64
  02/17/17
Im worried this could be hostile to self employeds. Theres s...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
Tax Attorney here, these are my thoughts: The Trump Tax ...
Hayden van Persie
  02/17/17
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Stu Lantz
  02/17/17
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Dickey Simpkins
  02/17/17
"I'm not necessarily opposed to dropping the corporate ...
Judas Jones
  02/17/17
If you wanna link me to some scholarship I will be happy to ...
Hayden van Persie
  02/17/17
the complexity of taxes is NOT DUE to BRACKETs....why am i t...
crafty prole cheating mcdonalds
  02/17/17
Heard it will never pass Congress though because the budget ...
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  02/17/17
His plan is to repatriate overseas corporate cash accounts
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
Lol
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.
  02/17/17
how will this close a $2,000,000,000,000 budget deficit?
Hayden van Persie
  02/17/17
It wont. We're permafucked and everyone knows it. Thanks bo...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
No, it's a pretty solvable problem that nobody cares to solv...
trans faggot express
  02/17/17
Lol at balanced budget in the 90s. You realize all Bill did...
Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka
  02/17/17
(Yahoo! commenter)
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(Freeper)
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  02/18/17
i'm sure they'll claim they're going to tax imports and that...
csw
  02/17/17
5. No one will have to pay the federal income tax. You earne...
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
In fact, the money was already taxed before it got to your e...
whomjustjoined
  02/17/17
Instead of responding to your naive point about money only b...
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repeal of the death tax is 180, especially since i'm inherit...
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  02/17/17
(below average pumo)
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
u mad?
.,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
  02/17/17
I'm fucking irate. I wish I could be a pumo.
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
but the $30 million you could do without, right?
.,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
  02/17/17
that's barely enough to pay for one kid
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
not every one ends up like you, and besides you're overestim...
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  02/17/17
I have a 180 IQ
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
(below average sudo)
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  02/17/17
I used to be a pumo
he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
now look at you
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lol
retired bc lsacisawhore doesn't deserve me
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he went to Jared Kushner
  02/17/17
good exchange
Horny killers from Syria welcomed at LAX by ur gf
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The Shadow of the Diaperer
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wlb
  02/17/17
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qed
  02/17/17
180 subthread
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  02/17/17
I call it the "Trumped Up, Trickle Down" tax plan
Judas Jones
  02/17/17
jew here, 180.
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LOL, I love how it starts with bullet points before going in...
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  02/17/17
2-3 bullet points, then got tired and got back to ranting on...
Alpha Dog
  02/17/17
"4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earne...
baby boomer espousing benefits of home ownership
  02/18/17
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,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.
  02/18/17
Is he still planning to drop the mortgage interest deduction...
Martin Prince
  02/18/17
i think it'd make banks and realtors very angry as well but ...
Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List
  02/18/17
the irony of appealing to losers by letting them write "...
sealclubber
  02/18/17


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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:36 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000,

you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% –

from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,”

those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.

2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25%

– instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the

Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World

War II.

3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job

to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes

corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.

4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family,

not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643773)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:03 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643923)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.


If the plan is "revenue neutral" doesn't that mean that taxes will be hiked for some and lowered for others? Who gets tax hikes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645019)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

everyone > 50K and < 250K or something

ljl everyone here is going to get FUCKED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649288)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: crafty prole cheating mcdonalds

but will he simply the tax code? like he promised...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645768)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:39 PM
Author: EXPLOSIVE diarrhea!!!!

180...good part about getting rid of the death tax is it nearly certainly also means getting rid of the yearly cap on non-taxed gifts. That was basically only in place to stop people from giving away their estate right before they die. So now your boomer parents can give you as much as they want tax free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643785)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Waveracewar 64

flame, boomers are going to spend it all on granite countertops, 1960's nostalgia cars, and caribbean cruises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644035)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: ....,..,..,,,....,,....,...




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645795)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: froodfrood ( )

The estate tax is meant for rich fucks like Trump who haven't paid any income tax in 20 years, and will not realize any capital gains tax upon transferring their assets to their children upon death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644898)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

And those rich fucks structure their affairs in such a way to avoid paying estate taxes. The estate tax is little more than a "gotcha" for unsophisticated small business owners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644964)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:47 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.


so why do they agitate so hard to get rid of it?

they still pay billions of dollars in estate taxes, that's why.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644973)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: kid

(Guy who has never worked in T&E)

wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649125)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 1:30 AM
Author: baby boomer espousing benefits of home ownership

they already can, up to $5.5 million per person. so your rich boomer parents can give you $11 million before they have to even think about gift tax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32648035)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

This. But the Rapetile propaganda against the estate tax has been insanely successful. My dad is CONVINCED that if my grandmother has an estate larger than $1M that each of her three child heirs will have to pay like 40% of it in estate tax

i tried telling him it's per person and the cap is much higher than he thinks and he was like WRONG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649702)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643797)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

mostly because I'll pay a lot less in taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643911)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: pethereum

his name in the header, 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643805)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643811)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: exethereum

that plan is pure fantasy unless it's supplemented with other taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643806)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: whomjustjoined



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643810)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: tech founder hoverboarding towards small business

federal soda tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644313)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: whomjustjoined

Does this really "remove" nearly 75 million households from the tax rolls? Don't most of those households already pay no income tax? Seems misleading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643807)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Judas Jones

I worry about the ability to generate sufficient tax income. I think you could maintain the spirit of it with a corp rate of 20% and a further bracket on ultra high individual earners (say individual income above $500k) and generate some more tax revenue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643832)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.


It will never pass. 39% approval Cheeto starts pushing a Chamber of Commerce tax bill and he will lose the Trumpenproletariat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643859)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

100% agree about death tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643883)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

No. It should be higher and subject to lower thresholds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643916)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: join the conversation

Generational wealth is a cancer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644024)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: wlb (Wilbur Mercer)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644033)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:46 PM
Author: Patriots elected Trump, Randy

Generational wealth is mostly flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644649)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: exethereum

untrue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645244)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: Ciroc Obama (autist-in-residence)

Then a high death tax won't affect anyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645764)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 12:57 PM
Author: Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

This. Seriously LJL @ wah wah death tax is so oppressive for the zero people who pay it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649716)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:10 PM
Author: The Shadow of the Diaperer



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644774)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644983)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: crafty prole cheating mcdonalds



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645771)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 9:16 AM
Author: kil (ggtp)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32648678)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: wlb (Wilbur Mercer)

I agree bequests should be taxed at huge levels

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644028)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: froodfrood ( )

Have to encourage spending and lifetime gifts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644903)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644984)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 11:29 PM
Author: Bopher, Deehs, Knutz LLP (she can't wait to tell the field hockey team about this)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32647488)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

"Freelancer living job to job will pay no more than 15% of business income"?

Is this in addition to personal income? Most freelancers use passthrough entities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643886)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:58 PM
Author: trans faggot express

Fuck Glocap! But awesome that my boomer parents now don't have to worry about the already high "death tax" so I can inherit an even more ridiculous sum of money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643894)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 12:59 PM
Author: whomjustjoined

It must be a lot of money if you even have to worry about the "death tax"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643898)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644988)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:00 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets."

What is this retarded shit?

Brackets have virtually nothing to do with making the tax code simpler.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643904)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:05 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


Correct. The real complication comes in the form of deductions and AMT.

To have tax rates this low and not explode the deficit, Trump would have to eliminate nearly all deductions. This includes home mortgage interest, 401ks, health insurance (ie, you'll be taxed at ordinary income on the cost your employer provided healthcare).

Per the usual, this plan probably fucks people making 100-500k. But its great if you make less than 50k and more than 500k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643940)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: I really like it here.

things like mortgage interest deduction, 401k, etc. will never ever get eliminated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644054)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:42 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


which is why this tax plan is retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644241)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: I really like it here.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644267)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:00 PM
Author: Limp Biscuit

The new TTP- NOWAG edition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643909)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:06 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"You paid taxes on it when you earned it."

This is a fucking retarded argument. The clients paid taxes on their income. Then they paid their lawyer. The lawyer paid taxes on the income. Then he bought lunch and paid taxes on the meal. Then the restaurant owner paid taxes on the profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643947)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:15 PM
Author: Sloan

All of those people are further earning it as income. Dumb analogy.

Should we start taxing birthday presents faggot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644010)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: whomjustjoined

Holy shit, you do realize gifts over a certain amount are taxed right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644507)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: xt

holy shit you realize only if lifetime gifts exceed the lifetime credit against gift and estate tax, right? which is basically 0.01% of people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644899)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:40 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529267&forum_id=2#32645125

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645757)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"Should we start taxing birthday presents faggot?"

Of what size?

There are personal exemptions for income.

And I'm ok with reasonable exemptions for gifts.

But, at bare minimum, I can't think of any good reason to give a more favorable exemption to gifts over income.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645790)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:07 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

This "plan" is dumber than shit, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumber than shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643952)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643979)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:12 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

TBF, it is dumb as shit, but if it can get passed I would literally save like $75k+ in taxes each year....so it is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32643992)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.


What would this do for a single earner who makes as much as a big law first year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644029)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

you'd pay more lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649729)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: "'""'"''""


Not flaming you, but can you explain the Pros and Cons of this plan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644042)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644989)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

Doesnt do enough if he doesnt get rid of FICA and medicare taxes altogether. End the ponzi scheme. Stop using tax dollars to fund foreign proxy wars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644052)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:23 PM
Author: join the conversation

2018 and 2020 could be a GOP BLOODBATH if they go after the mortgage interest deduction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644072)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:24 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

The doc says mortgage interest still deductible for all brackets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644078)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:24 PM
Author: I really like it here.

yeah there is no way that gets eliminated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644082)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: Waveracewar 64

They should add rental deduction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644280)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 1:33 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

Im worried this could be hostile to self employeds. Theres some language in there like "reasonable cap on business interest expenses" and "freelancers paying no more than 15% of business income" that could portend different treatment of passthroughs and caps on business expenses other than interest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644148)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:19 PM
Author: Hayden van Persie (Hayden van Persie tp)

Tax Attorney here, these are my thoughts:

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

"1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000,you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each."

I'm curious how this will be achieved. Are they just saying that the first $25,000 is subject to a 0% tax bracket? And then adding standard/itemized deductions and/or personal exemptions on top of that? Or setting it up in such a way that $x + the standard & one exemption = no taxes? If they modify the standard/itemized deductions and/or exemptions for these low income brackets, are higher earners affected? If so, this actually makes the code moar complex, not less.

Also, while I don't have exact numbers, a shit-ton of these taxpayers pay negative tax, that is they actually get more back in refunds than they put in, thanks to all sorts of refundable credits (many of which are robustly abused). So it's not really accurate to say that, right now, a married family making $40,000 and raising two kids under 17 pays any tax under the present system because they don't. In fact they get over $3,000 back that they did not pay in due to refundable credits. If you simply remove their tax obligation while allowing them to continue claiming refundable credits, that refund goes up to ~$5,000. If you remove or reduce some of those refundable credits in conjunction with this they may or may not come out ahead.

"2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II."

The tax code is not complicated because of tax brackets. Honestly tax brackets are day one shit. You can teach utter idiots to master the concept of tax brackets. So going from 7 to 4 in no way simplifies the code, especially in a era where the majority of people use software to perform the calculations anyway. So this really doesn't achieve simplification.

What it does achieve, however, is an enourmous break in taxes for the wealthy. If you had 1 million dollars in taxable income for 2016 you'd owe over $350,000 in federal taxes. Under this plan that would drop to less than $250,000 (assuming the new brackets are marginal as the current ones are). So who does this benefit more? Not the little guy.

As far as AMT, I believe that it needs to be there as a tax floor. People do really ridiculous shit to try to drive their tax liabilities down, and AMT helps to ensure that there is a floor. I do agree that it needs to be adjusted but to remove it completely is not something I agree with. Again this will disproportionately (almost exclusively) benefit higher income earners.

"3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world."

Freelancers pay income tax and medicare tax, as do all self-employed people. So what happens if a successful freelancer is in a 20% tax bracket? Do they get bumped down to a 15% cap due to this? And what about the employer share of medicare taxes?

I'm not necessarily opposed to dropping the corporate income tax rate but part of why corporate taxes are lower elsewhere is because the difference is made up through a VAT. Without that this plan will just drop reciepts by a shit-ton. And the theory is that corporations will have more money with which to invest by paying less taxes. But the reality is that they will just either pocket it or issue it as dividends. Again helping those with capital, who tend to be well off.

"4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it."

I get the theoretical arguments for abolishing the death tax. I'm not necessarily opposed to it. But again you are talking about eliminating a revenue stream (although it is small, I believe estate and gift taxes are about 4% of tax receipts) and replacing it with nothing. If all of these changes were enacted and no significant spending decreases came along with it, you'd be looking at over $2 trillion in borrowing every year just to make budget.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644487)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Stu Lantz



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644672)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:51 PM
Author: Dickey Simpkins



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644688)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:31 PM
Author: Judas Jones

"I'm not necessarily opposed to dropping the corporate income tax rate but part of why corporate taxes are lower elsewhere is because the difference is made up through a VAT. Without that this plan will just drop reciepts by a shit-ton. And the theory is that corporations will have more money with which to invest by paying less taxes. But the reality is that they will just either pocket it or issue it as dividends. Again helping those with capital, who tend to be well off."

I think you're kind of ignoring the effect of lowering the US corporate tax rate on increasing the amount of corporate earnings that will be taxed in America instead of being taxed overseas or deferred for years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644893)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:33 PM
Author: Hayden van Persie (Hayden van Persie tp)

If you wanna link me to some scholarship I will be happy to read it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644909)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: crafty prole cheating mcdonalds

the complexity of taxes is NOT DUE to BRACKETs....why am i the only person in the FUCKING WORLD to say this????? the complexity of taxes is due to how the tax returns reach into every aspect of your life...the tax brackets have NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645787)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: .,.,...,;..,.,.,:,,:,.;..,:::,....,:,.,.:.:.,:::,.


Heard it will never pass Congress though because the budget has to be revenue neutral and Trump can't just cut taxes without increasing revenues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644663)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

His plan is to repatriate overseas corporate cash accounts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644674)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.


Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644681)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 2:59 PM
Author: Hayden van Persie (Hayden van Persie tp)

how will this close a $2,000,000,000,000 budget deficit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644727)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:03 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

It wont. We're permafucked and everyone knows it. Thanks boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644743)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:25 PM
Author: trans faggot express

No, it's a pretty solvable problem that nobody cares to solve. With the current deficit if we had a balanced budget going forward (as many countries, even super lib ones, strictly enforced) the payments would still suck but be manageable.

Problem is there is zero pressure to close it from the right or the left. This was the tea partys whole schtick and in the end they ended up being Reagan/Bush style notax and still spend standard Rs with basically no backlash. And we're developed to the point where booming our way to a balanced budget like the 90s isn't likely to happen again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644866)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Maori Le Pen performing defiant haka

Lol at balanced budget in the 90s. You realize all Bill did to "balance the budget" was raid the SS trust?

Jfc libs are dumb and naive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644879)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:35 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


(Yahoo! commenter)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645733)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 9:20 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.


(Freeper)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32648694)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:37 PM
Author: csw

i'm sure they'll claim they're going to tax imports and that the tax cuts will SURGE the economy to somehow bring in more revenue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644929)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

5. No one will have to pay the federal income tax. You earned that money for your family, not the government. Your employer paid taxes when they earned it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644834)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: whomjustjoined

In fact, the money was already taxed before it got to your employer in the first place. The people who bought services or goods from your employer paid sales tax, as well as income tax on the income they used to purchase. And that income was already taxed before THEIR employer paid it. Money should only be taxed one time ever.

Sincerely,

Guy who doesn't understand money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644947)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:39 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


Instead of responding to your naive point about money only being taxed once, I'll respond to your point about "double-taxation" of corporate earnings (i.e., corp earnings are taxed once at the corporate level and again when dividended to shareholders). The best way to solve this problem is a single layer of tax. Other countries do this and Senator Hatch's corporate integration tax plan would accomplish the same thing. Essentially corporations would be given a deduction for dividends to shareholders.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645754)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:23 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


repeal of the death tax is 180, especially since i'm inheriting $30 million

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644842)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:23 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

(below average pumo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644847)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:24 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644851)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:27 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

I'm fucking irate. I wish I could be a pumo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644876)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


but the $30 million you could do without, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644881)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:31 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

that's barely enough to pay for one kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644889)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


not every one ends up like you, and besides you're overestimating the cost of taking care of a retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644894)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:37 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

I have a 180 IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644926)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


(below average sudo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644932)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)

I used to be a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644935)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


now look at you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644944)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: retired bc lsacisawhore doesn't deserve me

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644955)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: he went to Jared Kushner (¡Adios, America!)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644957)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 12:26 PM
Author: Horny killers from Syria welcomed at LAX by ur gf

good exchange

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649521)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: The Shadow of the Diaperer



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644895)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:34 PM
Author: wlb (Wilbur Mercer)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644911)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: qed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645761)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 10:03 PM
Author: .....,.,,,..,,,,,,,,..,...


180 subthread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32647157)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: Judas Jones

I call it the "Trumped Up, Trickle Down" tax plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644905)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:39 PM
Author: "''"""'"'


jew here, 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644937)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.:,,.,:.,:,...,:::,..:..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32644948)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 3:52 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.


LOL, I love how it starts with bullet points before going into the details. How far into the bullet points do you think Trump got before signing off on this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32645004)



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Date: February 17th, 2017 7:42 PM
Author: Alpha Dog

2-3 bullet points, then got tired and got back to ranting on Twitter about CNN ratings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32646384)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 1:28 AM
Author: baby boomer espousing benefits of home ownership

"4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it. "

LOL the exemption for a married couple is $11 million. already no one that isn't a wealthy motherfucker pays the death tax now. fuck politicians for making it sound like regular people pay estate taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32648029)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 9:56 AM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,..,.,.,:;;......;,,,,:.:.,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32648839)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

Is he still planning to drop the mortgage interest deduction? That would make me irate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649164)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 1:02 PM
Author: Doctor Nadal knocking things off his Coupe-et List (playing with gay dog boners since 2013)

i think it'd make banks and realtors very angry as well but lol fuck them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649739)



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Date: February 18th, 2017 1:09 PM
Author: sealclubber

the irony of appealing to losers by letting them write "i win" is painful as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3529134&forum_id=2#32649774)