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I hate white-collar professionals who can't hack it in the rat race, quit, and

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to wo...
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
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boyish rose really tough guy
  02/19/17
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Vivacious pungent whorehouse half-breed
  12/01/18
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Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
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Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
chill out ted
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Thriller cheese-eating potus
  02/19/17
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Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)
Jet genital piercing locus
  02/19/17
he's not even in law school anymore iirc
Big knife
  02/19/17
LJL He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia a...
electric stage patrolman
  02/19/17
You sound butthurt
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would...
electric stage patrolman
  02/19/17
you're the librarian bro right? cot damn im jelly
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
180
mint razzmatazz haunted graveyard
  02/19/17
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Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action
  02/19/17
There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of ...
Stimulating theater
  02/19/17
This is absolutely not true
Lascivious brunch foreskin
  02/19/17
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fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is ho...
passionate sadistic rehab
  02/19/17
CR
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours report...
laughsome scourge upon the earth
  02/19/17
IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not fir...
laughsome scourge upon the earth
  02/19/17
Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive s...
passionate sadistic rehab
  02/19/17
CR
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw prac...
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
No way
Pale Hell Coldplay Fan
  02/19/17
You're lying
Stimulating theater
  02/19/17
If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the...
slate trip casino
  02/19/17
Have been grinding for 9 years. Fortuitous penguin, etc.....
Aromatic idiotic school quadroon
  02/19/17
LOL NO I am far too lazy and value my free time.
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
You have such a weird schtick
Lascivious brunch foreskin
  02/19/17
(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in ...
flickering heady site
  02/19/17
(literal wagecuck)
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively ...
flickering heady site
  02/19/17
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Big knife
  02/19/17
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nighttime lilac theatre yarmulke
  02/19/17
Calm down, Cohen
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
a lot of times when people say "i hate something",...
Brindle party of the first part sanctuary
  02/19/17
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passionate sadistic rehab
  02/19/17
bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) afte...
Brindle party of the first part sanctuary
  02/19/17
Your age?
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
32
Brindle party of the first part sanctuary
  02/19/17
If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don'...
passionate sadistic rehab
  02/19/17
wow nice. thanks for the tip man.
Brindle party of the first part sanctuary
  02/19/17
No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the ...
passionate sadistic rehab
  02/19/17
refreshed?
Aromatic idiotic school quadroon
  02/19/17
180
Flesh bearded location
  02/20/17
(Freud)
Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/19/17
easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery
olive very tactful gas station
  12/01/18
You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge f...
ruddy hall
  02/19/17
Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are w...
Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action
  02/19/17
You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass b...
Soul-stirring Sound Barrier Lay
  02/19/17
Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone...
Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action
  02/19/17
ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk
crimson sex offender
  02/20/17
Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard...
umber nofapping abode
  02/20/17
Didn't he attend a TTT?
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this a...
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Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
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Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo
  02/21/17
This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they com...
fighting ladyboy stead
  02/21/17
People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upo...
peach slap-happy base
  02/21/17
((()))
Multi-colored orchestra pit depressive
  02/21/17
OP: "If the job would have been more psychologically...
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fighting ladyboy stead
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depends on whether they seem like they've found something th...
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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to work for a major corporation, but then realized there is more to life than just money..." When in reality they would have loved to stay at their company if they had gotten promoted, gotten a raise, been able to compete with co-workers...

These ppl are filth and think they're above everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655763)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: boyish rose really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656885)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: Vivacious pungent whorehouse half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333403)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655789)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655797)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: Adulterous Liquid Oxygen Bawdyhouse

chill out ted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Thriller cheese-eating potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656495)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656401)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: Jet genital piercing locus

(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656407)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Big knife

he's not even in law school anymore iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656418)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

LJL

He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669766)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: electric stage patrolman

hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia and have a life most people envy at 1/3 the salary. sup?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656424)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:13 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

You sound butthurt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656491)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: electric stage patrolman

no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would have been shitcanned and miserable. now im pretty happy even if i'm relatively broke. these are the tradeoffs one makes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658466)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

you're the librarian bro right?

cot damn im jelly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670000)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: mint razzmatazz haunted graveyard

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656591)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659028)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Stimulating theater

There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of associates would grind for 10 years if there was a guaranteed v10 equity partnership at the end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656496)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: Lascivious brunch foreskin

This is absolutely not true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656505)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669779)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: passionate sadistic rehab

Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656521)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656557)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:58 PM
Author: laughsome scourge upon the earth

As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours reported = # of hours ppl think they can get away with reporting = in expectation, the max # of hours that can be reported without being flagged by whatever fraud detection devices one reasonably expects will be used.

Hence it would be perfectly reasonable for a firm to separate their tangible work production, from their hours reporting. And it is just as rational to do this on an individual level.

Yet people grind themselves down trying to robotically meet a rigid hours hours requirement, when they could invest in increasing their personal efficiency, meet the facetime requirements, and then report the same number of hours.

Surely this is due to the sort of childish manichean thinking that runs rampant among lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656833)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: laughsome scourge upon the earth

IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not firms and clients, get to reap the benefits of innovation (real efficiency gains). Hence if anything it is a cause for celebration if you are an innovative individual - you can get a steady paycheck and advance without getting more work heaped on you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656852)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: passionate sadistic rehab

Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive structures I have ever seen.

I remember trying to convince my firm to drop my hours requirement in exchange for bringing in additional work (since I was better at building a book than grinding away). They weren't willing to compromise.

I left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656908)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 8:22 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32657774)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:30 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw practice....the detail orientedness is awful and exhausting, the ASAP fire drills, the on call, the hours, etc.

Also it literally wastes away your entire youth. Most senior biglawyers are disgusting physical specimens of obesity, baldness, etc. ....so gross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669816)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Pale Hell Coldplay Fan

No way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656568)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 9:25 PM
Author: Stimulating theater

You're lying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658138)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:42 PM
Author: slate trip casino

If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the biglaw business model and that's more appealing it's still a somewhat tough call. e.g. 2nd year associate has college buddy who randomly hits it big and now 2nd year controls a $15M book of business. This is basically the dream biglaw scenario and it would still involve supervising a huge volume of boring ass nonsense that 2nd year's buddy would not give two shits about, but 2nd year would have to supervise properly or he could end up fucking over his friend and being disbarred. 2nd year is having to fend off another partner every week trying to get a taste, and play all the politics to make sure they get a fair share of profits. There are just much better ways to make a living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658693)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: Aromatic idiotic school quadroon

Have been grinding for 9 years.

Fortuitous penguin, etc...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658979)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

LOL NO

I am far too lazy and value my free time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669772)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: Lascivious brunch foreskin

You have such a weird schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656503)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: flickering heady site

(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in spite after failing in his bid for a white-collar career)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656506)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:19 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

(literal wagecuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656529)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:22 PM
Author: flickering heady site

guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively describing yourself in op

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656547)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: Big knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656549)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:26 PM
Author: nighttime lilac theatre yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656573)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

Calm down, Cohen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656622)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:21 PM
Author: Brindle party of the first part sanctuary

a lot of times when people say "i hate something", it's usually they hating something about themselves which they project to something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656544)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: passionate sadistic rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656552)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: Brindle party of the first part sanctuary

bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) after i had worked there for 11 month.. the second option sheet 5x'ed the first option sheet in price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656708)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:51 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

Your age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656777)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: Brindle party of the first part sanctuary

32

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656813)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:55 PM
Author: passionate sadistic rehab

If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don't then vest into your first cliff and bail unless things are going super well.

Our first employee (who has been crushing it) has been refreshed 3x in his first year. Dude is killing himself for the cause and he deserves the recognition.

EDIT: I'm also big on refreshing and adjusting salary proactively. Find it has a way larger impact. We've had 0 people leave willingly in ~18months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: Brindle party of the first part sanctuary

wow nice. thanks for the tip man.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656811)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: passionate sadistic rehab

No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the 409a price versus the last round as well as the % you get rather than the raw number of shares.

Generally, joining after Series A isn't a great idea unless the company is super well positioned or if you are there for career progression rather than trying to hit a jackpot.

Glad to hear you're out there making it happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656884)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: Aromatic idiotic school quadroon

refreshed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658971)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:21 AM
Author: Flesh bearded location

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659679)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo

(Freud)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656556)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: olive very tactful gas station

easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333540)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: ruddy hall

You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge failure on my part, AND that my life is better because of it. Both of those things could be true.

In fact, I believe both are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658701)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action

Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are where you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659022)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Sound Barrier Lay

You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass balls to sell real estate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658850)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: Honey-headed Supple Affirmative Action

Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone.

It's understandable that people have a need to rationalize their fates internally and also not want to be viewed as a failure by others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659012)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:25 AM
Author: crimson sex offender

ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659684)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 2:34 AM
Author: umber nofapping abode

Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard for big law. Even with affirmative action this spic couldn't cop biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659805)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

Didn't he attend a TTT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669784)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: self-centered adventurous hospital hunting ground

I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this application cycle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669989)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669618)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: Aquamarine Thirsty Locale Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669723)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead

This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they come from family money or married rich and no longer need to grind. Reminder: not working for money >>>> working for money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669790)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: peach slap-happy base

People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upon them. Those who are successful at a job tend to care a lot more than those who fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669791)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: Multi-colored orchestra pit depressive

((()))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669927)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:43 PM
Author: carnelian french chef

OP:

"If the job would have been more psychologically, socially, and financially rewarding, the cost-benefit analysis would have changed."

Great insight.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669963)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:45 PM
Author: fighting ladyboy stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669977)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: jade travel guidebook prole

depends on whether they seem like they've found something they genuinely think is more important to do with their lives or if they are obviously rationalizing away their failures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670006)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:19 PM
Author: Stimulating theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333392)