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I hate white-collar professionals who can't hack it in the rat race, quit, and

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to wo...
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abusive place of business cuckold
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chill out ted
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abusive place of business cuckold
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(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)
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  02/19/17
he's not even in law school anymore iirc
thriller cobalt persian
  02/19/17
LJL He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school
useless misunderstood messiness
  02/21/17
hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia a...
Aggressive Dead Mad-dog Skullcap
  02/19/17
You sound butthurt
abusive place of business cuckold
  02/19/17
no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would...
Aggressive Dead Mad-dog Skullcap
  02/19/17
you're the librarian bro right? cot damn im jelly
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pearly 180 keepsake machete
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There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of ...
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This is absolutely not true
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useless misunderstood messiness
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Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is ho...
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CR
abusive place of business cuckold
  02/19/17
As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours report...
supple copper resort
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IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not fir...
supple copper resort
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Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive s...
mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge
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CR
abusive place of business cuckold
  02/19/17
There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw prac...
useless misunderstood messiness
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No way
concupiscible mildly autistic field personal credit line
  02/19/17
You're lying
Bistre space
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If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the...
geriatric corn cake
  02/19/17
Have been grinding for 9 years. Fortuitous penguin, etc.....
Rose frisky parlour son of senegal
  02/19/17
LOL NO I am far too lazy and value my free time.
useless misunderstood messiness
  02/21/17
You have such a weird schtick
rambunctious mauve scourge upon the earth piazza
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(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in ...
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(literal wagecuck)
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guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively ...
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Calm down, Cohen
abusive place of business cuckold
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a lot of times when people say "i hate something",...
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mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge
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bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) afte...
Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting
  02/19/17
Your age?
abusive place of business cuckold
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Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting
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If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don'...
mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge
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wow nice. thanks for the tip man.
Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting
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No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the ...
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refreshed?
Rose frisky parlour son of senegal
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180
Orchid Mischievous Brunch
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(Freud)
abusive place of business cuckold
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easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery
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You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge f...
Talking Internal Respiration
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Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are w...
pearly 180 keepsake machete
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You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass b...
Hyperventilating Stag Film
  02/19/17
Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone...
pearly 180 keepsake machete
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ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk
pale misanthropic reading party parlor
  02/20/17
Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard...
Orange diverse toaster
  02/20/17
Didn't he attend a TTT?
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I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this a...
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This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they com...
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People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upo...
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((()))
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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to work for a major corporation, but then realized there is more to life than just money..." When in reality they would have loved to stay at their company if they had gotten promoted, gotten a raise, been able to compete with co-workers...

These ppl are filth and think they're above everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655763)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Burgundy set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656885)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: Indigo tank sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333403)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655789)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655797)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: sienna university

chill out ted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Charismatic Dragon Bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656495)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656401)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: dashing transparent skinny woman church building

(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656407)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: thriller cobalt persian

he's not even in law school anymore iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656418)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

LJL

He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669766)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: Aggressive Dead Mad-dog Skullcap

hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia and have a life most people envy at 1/3 the salary. sup?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656424)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:13 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

You sound butthurt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656491)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: Aggressive Dead Mad-dog Skullcap

no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would have been shitcanned and miserable. now im pretty happy even if i'm relatively broke. these are the tradeoffs one makes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658466)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

you're the librarian bro right?

cot damn im jelly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670000)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: jet-lagged friendly grandma quadroon

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656591)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: pearly 180 keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659028)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Bistre space

There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of associates would grind for 10 years if there was a guaranteed v10 equity partnership at the end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656496)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: rambunctious mauve scourge upon the earth piazza

This is absolutely not true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656505)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669779)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge

Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656521)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656557)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:58 PM
Author: supple copper resort

As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours reported = # of hours ppl think they can get away with reporting = in expectation, the max # of hours that can be reported without being flagged by whatever fraud detection devices one reasonably expects will be used.

Hence it would be perfectly reasonable for a firm to separate their tangible work production, from their hours reporting. And it is just as rational to do this on an individual level.

Yet people grind themselves down trying to robotically meet a rigid hours hours requirement, when they could invest in increasing their personal efficiency, meet the facetime requirements, and then report the same number of hours.

Surely this is due to the sort of childish manichean thinking that runs rampant among lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656833)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: supple copper resort

IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not firms and clients, get to reap the benefits of innovation (real efficiency gains). Hence if anything it is a cause for celebration if you are an innovative individual - you can get a steady paycheck and advance without getting more work heaped on you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656852)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge

Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive structures I have ever seen.

I remember trying to convince my firm to drop my hours requirement in exchange for bringing in additional work (since I was better at building a book than grinding away). They weren't willing to compromise.

I left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656908)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 8:22 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32657774)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:30 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw practice....the detail orientedness is awful and exhausting, the ASAP fire drills, the on call, the hours, etc.

Also it literally wastes away your entire youth. Most senior biglawyers are disgusting physical specimens of obesity, baldness, etc. ....so gross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669816)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: concupiscible mildly autistic field personal credit line

No way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656568)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 9:25 PM
Author: Bistre space

You're lying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658138)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:42 PM
Author: geriatric corn cake

If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the biglaw business model and that's more appealing it's still a somewhat tough call. e.g. 2nd year associate has college buddy who randomly hits it big and now 2nd year controls a $15M book of business. This is basically the dream biglaw scenario and it would still involve supervising a huge volume of boring ass nonsense that 2nd year's buddy would not give two shits about, but 2nd year would have to supervise properly or he could end up fucking over his friend and being disbarred. 2nd year is having to fend off another partner every week trying to get a taste, and play all the politics to make sure they get a fair share of profits. There are just much better ways to make a living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658693)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: Rose frisky parlour son of senegal

Have been grinding for 9 years.

Fortuitous penguin, etc...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658979)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

LOL NO

I am far too lazy and value my free time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669772)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: rambunctious mauve scourge upon the earth piazza

You have such a weird schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656503)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle clear business firm

(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in spite after failing in his bid for a white-collar career)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656506)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:19 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

(literal wagecuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656529)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:22 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle clear business firm

guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively describing yourself in op

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656547)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: thriller cobalt persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656549)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:26 PM
Author: thirsty french sanctuary coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656573)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

Calm down, Cohen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656622)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:21 PM
Author: Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting

a lot of times when people say "i hate something", it's usually they hating something about themselves which they project to something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656544)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656552)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting

bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) after i had worked there for 11 month.. the second option sheet 5x'ed the first option sheet in price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656708)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:51 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

Your age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656777)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting

32

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656813)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:55 PM
Author: mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge

If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don't then vest into your first cliff and bail unless things are going super well.

Our first employee (who has been crushing it) has been refreshed 3x in his first year. Dude is killing himself for the cause and he deserves the recognition.

EDIT: I'm also big on refreshing and adjusting salary proactively. Find it has a way larger impact. We've had 0 people leave willingly in ~18months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: Stirring Mint Partner Famous Landscape Painting

wow nice. thanks for the tip man.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656811)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: mind-boggling voyeur indian lodge

No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the 409a price versus the last round as well as the % you get rather than the raw number of shares.

Generally, joining after Series A isn't a great idea unless the company is super well positioned or if you are there for career progression rather than trying to hit a jackpot.

Glad to hear you're out there making it happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656884)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: Rose frisky parlour son of senegal

refreshed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658971)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:21 AM
Author: Orchid Mischievous Brunch

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659679)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold

(Freud)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656556)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Nofapping amethyst dingle berry

easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333540)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: Talking Internal Respiration

You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge failure on my part, AND that my life is better because of it. Both of those things could be true.

In fact, I believe both are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658701)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: pearly 180 keepsake machete

Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are where you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659022)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Stag Film

You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass balls to sell real estate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658850)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: pearly 180 keepsake machete

Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone.

It's understandable that people have a need to rationalize their fates internally and also not want to be viewed as a failure by others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659012)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:25 AM
Author: pale misanthropic reading party parlor

ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659684)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 2:34 AM
Author: Orange diverse toaster

Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard for big law. Even with affirmative action this spic couldn't cop biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659805)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

Didn't he attend a TTT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669784)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: drab sadistic bbw principal's office

I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this application cycle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669989)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669618)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: abusive place of business cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669723)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness

This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they come from family money or married rich and no longer need to grind. Reminder: not working for money >>>> working for money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669790)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: Spectacular Private Investor

People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upon them. Those who are successful at a job tend to care a lot more than those who fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669791)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: yapping insecure background story

((()))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669927)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:43 PM
Author: green cracking wagecucks

OP:

"If the job would have been more psychologically, socially, and financially rewarding, the cost-benefit analysis would have changed."

Great insight.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669963)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:45 PM
Author: useless misunderstood messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669977)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: emerald bearded meetinghouse

depends on whether they seem like they've found something they genuinely think is more important to do with their lives or if they are obviously rationalizing away their failures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670006)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:19 PM
Author: Bistre space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333392)