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When I look back at Of Counsel still at my old Biglaw firm, I shudder...

The idea of just having had to deal with all that shit of be...
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
Don't of counsels usually have some specialized knowledge or...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  03/01/17
at my old firm the models was that Partners bring in busines...
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
him - making $450-500k working 9-4 with ocassional nights an...
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
more like $350k for 2500 hours a year
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
no, of counsel work closer to 1500 than 2500 and sr assoc...
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
not at my old firm. Of Counsel weren't lockstep, so senior ...
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
sorry bout your tiny pink firm bro
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
It was a tip top firm. The model was actually very smart. ...
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
of counsel wouldnt stick around at a "tip top firm"...
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
poaster isn't flaming unless he and i work at same place. of...
Azure pea-brained regret
  03/01/17
This is my experience as well although I think the bill clos...
pale glittery depressive
  03/01/17
so basiclaly close to what i said
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
No - there is a massive difference between 1500 and 2000 bil...
pale glittery depressive
  03/01/17
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Azure pea-brained regret
  03/01/17
These are people 15+ years out of lawschool with absolutely ...
Sickened ticket booth
  03/01/17
Of counsels are eliterally laughed at behind their back thou...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  03/01/17
they have the joy of scholarship, wat more do you need
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
Being an of counsel is the quintessential example of a bitch...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  03/01/17
u just described all lawyers, accountants, corporate drones
low-t pistol
  03/01/17
Nope, fine to be lawyer if you're on partner track or a part...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  03/01/17
...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  11/23/17
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demanding boyish personal credit line
  03/01/17
At my firm of counsels work hard without the prospect of adv...
smoky deranged goal in life
  03/01/17
What's an "of counsel"?
appetizing aquamarine meetinghouse private investor
  11/23/17
Consolation prize title an associate can get instead of brea...
at-the-ready death wish
  11/23/17
Who gets more respect at a v20: a brand new junior service p...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  11/23/17
define respect
autistic shrine
  11/23/17
Who goes to whose office for a meeting? Who comes first in a...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  11/23/17
who cares about this shit
autistic shrine
  11/23/17
It'd be demeaning to be some 60 year old bro who's an expert...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  11/23/17
At my firm (regional big-ish law), our of counsel bill 1200 ...
confused space
  11/23/17
? prestige is everything
autistic shrine
  11/23/17
...
Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape
  12/09/17


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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

The idea of just having had to deal with all that shit of being an Of Counsel at some big firm in a non-specialty area for that entire time I've been gone seems so terrible, I almost shed a tear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729577)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:56 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Don't of counsels usually have some specialized knowledge or skillsets? That's why firms keep them around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729627)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

at my old firm the models was that Partners bring in business and senior associates and of counsel manage it....definitely some of counsel are specialist, but lots aren't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729634)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: low-t pistol

him - making $450-500k working 9-4 with ocassional nights and weekends, billing 1600/year

you - poast on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729580)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

more like $350k for 2500 hours a year



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729600)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: low-t pistol

no, of counsel work closer to 1500 than 2500

and sr assoc make liek 300 base, ofc will make more + bonus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729617)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

not at my old firm. Of Counsel weren't lockstep, so senior associates often made more, especially with bonus.

And the non-specialist of counsel billed a ton of hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729637)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:04 PM
Author: low-t pistol

sorry bout your tiny pink firm bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729683)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

It was a tip top firm. The model was actually very smart. Allowed the partners to avoid as much grunt work as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729737)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: low-t pistol

of counsel wouldnt stick around at a "tip top firm" if they were billing 2500, making less than sr assoc, and had no partnership chances. play flame better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729750)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:17 PM
Author: Azure pea-brained regret

poaster isn't flaming unless he and i work at same place. of counsel would bill 2000-2400 hours and pay $350k - $500k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729763)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:20 PM
Author: pale glittery depressive

This is my experience as well although I think the bill closer to 2000 and make closer to 500k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729783)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: low-t pistol

so basiclaly close to what i said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729806)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:30 PM
Author: pale glittery depressive

No - there is a massive difference between 1500 and 2000 billables

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729854)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:47 PM
Author: Azure pea-brained regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729953)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:20 PM
Author: Sickened ticket booth

These are people 15+ years out of lawschool with absolutely no business of their own....many don't have any other option that pays as much other than being the same thing at another law firm....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729784)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Of counsels are eliterally laughed at behind their back though. They have zero respect from anyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729639)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:04 PM
Author: low-t pistol

they have the joy of scholarship, wat more do you need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729685)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Being an of counsel is the quintessential example of a bitchmade "man" broken in pieces by GC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729751)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: low-t pistol

u just described all lawyers, accountants, corporate drones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729753)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:19 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Nope, fine to be lawyer if you're on partner track or a partner. At least you're getting a piece of the pie. But if you stay at the firm after they told you "lolno" you're a fucking loser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729775)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 6:38 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758090)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:05 PM
Author: demanding boyish personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729689)



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Date: March 1st, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: smoky deranged goal in life

At my firm of counsels work hard without the prospect of advancement. I'm sure the money is okay but it's otherwise the worst of all worlds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#32729935)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 6:57 PM
Author: appetizing aquamarine meetinghouse private investor

What's an "of counsel"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758158)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: at-the-ready death wish

Consolation prize title an associate can get instead of breakfast.

Usually in BIGLAW it's up or out so if you get no-breakfasted you're expected to leave. Sometimes though they want to keep you as their bitch so they make you "of counsel".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758239)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Who gets more respect at a v20: a brand new junior service partner or a senior of counsel who's been at the firm for 30 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758251)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:18 PM
Author: autistic shrine

define respect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758259)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

Who goes to whose office for a meeting? Who comes first in a CC line

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758282)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:23 PM
Author: autistic shrine

who cares about this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758287)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:30 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape

It'd be demeaning to be some 60 year old bro who's an expert in his field and he has to sit in earls office to get briefed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758326)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:18 PM
Author: confused space

At my firm (regional big-ish law), our of counsel bill 1200 hours and make 200k. Seems like a sweet gig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758257)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 7:19 PM
Author: autistic shrine

? prestige is everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34758262)



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Date: December 9th, 2017 6:18 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good indian lodge ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3540335&forum_id=2#34877515)