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Are there college-educated people who don't get the logic of the contrapositive?

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Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit
  03/18/17
ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates
violent property
  03/18/17
probably like 80%
Smoky talking feces pocket flask
  03/18/17
That must be an exaggeration
Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit
  03/18/17
you greatly overestimate college graduates
violent property
  03/18/17
I've literally taught them. they don't know shit
Smoky talking feces pocket flask
  03/18/17
can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to t...
Heady thirsty hospital
  03/18/17
they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. bu...
Smoky talking feces pocket flask
  03/18/17
They are generally more confused by the equivalency between ...
overrated tan roast beef
  03/18/17
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Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit
  03/18/17
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Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit
  03/18/17
tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chan...
Chestnut Bawdyhouse Gaping
  03/18/17
What do you mean by "get it"?
Maniacal mind-boggling skinny woman point
  03/18/17
That it's logically valid.
Curious grizzly national jewess
  03/18/17
You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional state...
Maniacal mind-boggling skinny woman point
  03/18/17
don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's ...
misunderstood embarrassed to the bone menage boistinker
  03/18/17
either not get it when explained or do get it when explained...
Heady thirsty hospital
  03/18/17
what's that?
Irate piazza
  03/18/17
Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get...
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Heady thirsty hospital
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Insecure milk
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Heady thirsty hospital
  03/19/17
tmf
coral mildly autistic box office ceo
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Heady thirsty hospital
  03/22/17
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Heady thirsty hospital
  04/14/17
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Heady thirsty hospital
  04/27/17
Most college grads don't.
Unholy Public Bath
  04/27/17
explain
Heady thirsty hospital
  04/28/17
You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. ...
Unholy Public Bath
  04/28/17
read this as "logic of the contraceptive"
Bateful Naked Den Really Tough Guy
  04/27/17
As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly en...
ocher talented quadroon
  04/28/17
Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.
histrionic lime immigrant
  04/28/17
but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract ...
Heady thirsty hospital
  04/28/17
first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than aver...
Fighting lay
  04/28/17
(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)
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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:47 PM
Author: Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860235)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: violent property

ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860237)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: Smoky talking feces pocket flask

probably like 80%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860246)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit

That must be an exaggeration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860271)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: violent property

you greatly overestimate college graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860274)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Smoky talking feces pocket flask

I've literally taught them. they don't know shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860432)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital

can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to them? what issue do they have with the logic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860674)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: Smoky talking feces pocket flask

they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. but if it comes up in the wild, forget about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861332)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: overrated tan roast beef

They are generally more confused by the equivalency between converse and inverse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860254)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860425)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: Cobalt stubborn orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860937)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: Chestnut Bawdyhouse Gaping

tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chant when I taught it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861064)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: Maniacal mind-boggling skinny woman point

What do you mean by "get it"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861081)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:05 PM
Author: Curious grizzly national jewess

That it's logically valid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861108)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:06 PM
Author: Maniacal mind-boggling skinny woman point

You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional statement is always true?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861116)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: misunderstood embarrassed to the bone menage boistinker

don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's explained? or like they come out of college, graduating and aren't familiar with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861123)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital

either not get it when explained or do get it when explained, but not able to apply it to statements whose logic does not correlate to any real-life situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861648)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: Irate piazza

what's that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861443)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:08 PM
Author: Electric khaki antidepressant drug chapel

Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get college degrees, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861460)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32863514)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 1:13 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32864062)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32865145)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Insecure milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32865235)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:23 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868476)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:24 PM
Author: coral mildly autistic box office ceo

tmf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868488)



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Date: March 22nd, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32890290)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 1:26 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33070179)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:46 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181541)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: Unholy Public Bath

Most college grads don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181585)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181727)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: Unholy Public Bath

You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. The median college grad IQ is lower. QED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181738)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:59 PM
Author: Bateful Naked Den Really Tough Guy

read this as "logic of the contraceptive"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181634)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: ocher talented quadroon

As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly enough when you explain it to them. They are DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient conditions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181742)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: histrionic lime immigrant

Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181755)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital

but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract situations?

how did they do on those grouping games with chains of conditional statements?

also describe the DEVASTATION

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181773)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: Fighting lay

first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than average college students if you are an lsat instructor.

second, you didn't say how many got it before you explained it

third, i'd like to hear more about your n vs s stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181802)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:36 PM
Author: pea-brained racy house half-breed

(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359479)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: pea-brained racy house half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359469)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:46 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181919)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:06 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182675)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:20 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182732)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33183130)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 2:18 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33185399)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:23 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359387)



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Date: June 15th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: Heady thirsty hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33568398)