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ANOTHER Problem with an LSAT Question

Criminologist: The main purpose of most criminal organizat...
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  03/20/17
ur getting closer
high school
  03/20/17
twin and other lsat masters, pls halp
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  03/20/17
Take this weakassed shit to LSD.
my dog is a bigger CHARLES XII fan than I am
  03/20/17
yes it means all
donny
  03/20/17
i think i know what he means though. like, if someone says ...
uspo
  03/20/17
and some, i assume, are good people
donny
  03/20/17
Your analogy is off the mark. To put your examples into the ...
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
no, he was analogizing to the conclusion, not the answer cho...
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  03/20/17
Oh, I see. His conclusion makes a mess of the problem.
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
do you see the point of the OP now?
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  03/20/17
Not really. I understand what he is saying, but his point is...
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
i know, i was using the form from the OP's quote
uspo
  03/20/17
exactly -- the right answer in this problem actually require...
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  03/20/17
Yeah. "criminal organizations will try to" require...
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
but in other contexts, "As are B" means "All ...
''"'''"'''"'
  03/20/17
You are confusing the statement "dinosaurs are extinct&...
{:{|}
  03/20/17
"Football players with over 10 years of experience in t...
''"'''"'''"'
  03/20/17
That is one of two possible meanings. With that statement, a...
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
This is a lot easier than the other one you'd poasted. My...
CapTTTainFalcon
  03/20/17
Lol I scored a 175 on the real LSAT and as high as 178 in pr...
"""'''"""
  03/20/17
Once again, just reduce the prompt to a series of premises a...
twins
  03/20/17
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  03/20/17
i agree that this problem is very easy. but i'm questioning ...
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  03/20/17
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http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&fo...
Main Force Patrol
  03/20/17
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  03/20/17


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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: ..,.,...,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,..,:,.,.:..,.


Criminologist: The main purpose of most criminal

organizations is to generate profits. The ongoing

revolutions in biotechnology and information

technology promise to generate enormous profits.

Therefore, criminal organizations will undoubtedly

try to become increasingly involved in these areas.

The conclusion of the criminologist’s argument is

properly inferred if which one of the following is

assumed?

(A)

If an organization tries to become increasingly

involved in areas that promise to generate enormous

profits, then the main purpose of that organization is

to generate profits.

(B)

At least some criminal organizations are or will

at some point become aware that the ongoing

revolutions in biotechnology and information

technology promise to generate enormous profits.

(C)

Criminal organizations are already heavily involved

in every activity that promises to generate enormous

profits.

(D)

Any organization whose main purpose is to generate

profits will try to become increasingly involved

in any technological revolution that promises to

generate enormous profits.

(E)

Most criminal organizations are willing to become

involved in legal activities if those activities are

sufficiently profitable.

SPOILER

The correct answer is the first letter of the animal considered to be man's best friend.

This answer is NOT SUFFICIENT to allow the conclusion to be "properly inferred", UNLESS we interpret the conclusion -- "criminal organizations will undoubtedly ..." as meaning "some" or "most" criminal organizations and NOT "all". This is because the first premise tells us only that "most" criminal organizations are into getting profits. So even if you add the correct answer to the argument, the strongest conclusion you could make is that "Most criminal organizations will try to get increasingly involved..."

But here, if the conclusion is supposed to be a claim about "criminal organizations" in the sense of "each criminal organization", then the conclusion is NOT properly inferred by adding the assumption in the correct answer. The correct answer is only sufficient if we interpret "criminal organizations" as meaning "some" or "most". Can someone tell me if I have something wrong here?

"As are B." I would normally interpret that as saying every A is a B. But I grant that, in some contexts, that might mean more generally, "There are As that are B." How the hell are we supposed to distinguish the two meanings? Is there some rule of the English language?

"Dinosaurs are extinct." Does that mean all dinos, or just some/most?

"Football players with 1 year of experience in NFL are used to taking hits." Does that mean all football players with 1 year of experience in the NFL or jsut some/most of them?

"Criminal organizations will try to become increasingly involved in tech revolutions." Does that mean all crim orgs or just some/most? What distinguishes this last example from the first two?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872741)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: high school

ur getting closer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872748)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: ..,.,...,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,..,:,.,.:..,.


twin and other lsat masters, pls halp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872826)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: my dog is a bigger CHARLES XII fan than I am (pourin' a cheerwine for my poastin' homie)

Take this weakassed shit to LSD.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872894)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: donny (donny)

yes it means all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872930)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: uspo (united states poast office)

i think i know what he means though.

like, if someone says "Jews are stingy" or "dogs are cute", it's an acceptable overgeneralization that can be understood to mean "most Jews are stingy" or "most dogs are cute". D is still by far the safest answer here though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872936)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: donny (donny)

and some, i assume, are good people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872939)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

Your analogy is off the mark. To put your examples into the same form as (D), they should read as follows:

"Anyone who is a jew is stingy"

"Any animal that is a dog is cute"

By beginning with with the all encompassing phrase "Any organization," (D) unequivocally is ascribing a characteristic to the group consisting of "organization[s] whose main purpose is to generate

profits."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872961)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: ..,.,...,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,..,:,.,.:..,.


no, he was analogizing to the conclusion, not the answer choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872969)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:41 AM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

Oh, I see.

His conclusion makes a mess of the problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872983)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: ..,.,...,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,..,:,.,.:..,.


do you see the point of the OP now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872991)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:45 AM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

Not really. I understand what he is saying, but his point is retarded. I explain why in my post below.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32873014)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: uspo (united states poast office)

i know, i was using the form from the OP's quote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872970)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: ..,.,...,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,..,:,.,.:..,.


exactly -- the right answer in this problem actually requires that understanding of "criminal organizations will try to ...." otherwise the answer couldn't be sufficient to prove that conclusion. the premises + the correct answer would only support a conclusion of "most criminal organizations will try to...". They are not sufficient to prove "ALL criminal organizations will try to ..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32872962)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

Yeah. "criminal organizations will try to" requires only that 2 or more criminal organizations to get into tech for the logic of the criminologist to be correct.

The easiest way to approach these questions is to identify the minimum requirements for the statement to be true and to give it no more thought after that. This should become intuitive after you have done enough of these problems

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32873005)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 1:39 PM
Author: ''"'''"'''"'


but in other contexts, "As are B" means "All As are B." what distinguishes the meanings?

"Dinosaurs are extinct." No one would interpret this as saying "at least some dinosaurs are extinct", because this sentence applies to the entire category "dinosaurs" and every dinosaur in tthat category. if someone proved that there was a dinosaur that did not go extinct, people would say it's not true that "dinosaurs are extinct."

what distinguishes this example from the example in the criminal organization problem?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32873878)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 2:57 PM
Author: {:{|}

You are confusing the statement "dinosaurs are extinct" with your knowledge that all dinosaurs are extinct.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32874411)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: ''"'''"'''"'


"Football players with over 10 years of experience in the NFL are used to taking hits."

would you interpret that as applying to all football players with over 10 years of xp in the NFL, or "some" but not necessarily all?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875152)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 2:57 PM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

That is one of two possible meanings. With that statement, all we know for certain is that 2 or more from group A are also part of group B. As such, for the purpose of weighing the validity of a logical statement, we are limited to working with the narrowest statement possible.

Also, LSAT questions will almost never rely on the unstated assumption that "As are Bs" to convey the meaning that all As are Bs. They will explicitly say "all As are Bs" or some variation of the statement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32874412)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: CapTTTainFalcon

This is a lot easier than the other one you'd poasted.

My mind is mush, and I arrive at correct answers through process of elimination and a vague recollection of question groupings. I'm convinced that 175-180 scorers have an extremely strong grasp of formal logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32874323)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: """'''"""


Lol I scored a 175 on the real LSAT and as high as 178 in practice and have totally lost the ability to translate LSAT question gobblygook into logical statements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32874826)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: twins

Once again, just reduce the prompt to a series of premises and then evaluate the answers to see which one fills out a classic Aristotlean syllogism.

This is not a hard one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875480)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: (retired) (retired) (retired) (retired) (retired)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875603)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: ''"'''"'''"'


i agree that this problem is very easy. but i'm questioning how we know that the conclusion refers to "some" criminal organizations, but not necessarily all. there's an ambiguity there that i'd like to know how to resolve using some kind of rule of the english language, if possible. if the conclusion means "all criminal organizations..." then the correct answer wouldn't actually be a sufficient assumption.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875618)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: (retired) (retired) (retired) (retired) (retired)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875663)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 5:53 PM
Author: Main Force Patrol (“Tony, sit down. We need to talk.”)

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32874412

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32875734)



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Date: March 20th, 2017 7:47 PM
Author: Chaebong Hung

D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3558689&forum_id=2#32876507)