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Orange County residents literally look down at Los Angeles residents of

Don't matter if you live in the Beverly Hills baby. Los Ange...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/29/17
Can boxy short Mestizos look down on anyone, metaphorically ...
olive dead queen of the night old irish cottage
  04/29/17
Ouch.
copper jew
  04/29/17
(Maf kike)
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/29/17
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abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
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Galvanic Really Tough Guy Tattoo
  04/30/17
(Autistic loser)
disrespectful pozpig
  04/30/17
(Jewish curly haired loser)
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
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Peach Police Squad Twinkling Uncleanness
  04/30/17
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geriatric gold circlehead national
  05/05/17
LA trumpmo here
copper jew
  04/29/17
(rootless degen)
Diverse Useless Fanboi
  04/30/17
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Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
I've met tons of people from OC and never liked any of them.
Mentally impaired senate potus
  04/29/17
(Democrat)
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/29/17
:(
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/29/17
Flame mothafucka! Manhattan/Hermosa/Redondo Beach Palos ...
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/29/17
We don't claim them
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/29/17
Who the fuck is "we"? Where are you from? If yo...
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/29/17
Think Huntington Beach/Costa Mesa/Irvine/Aliso Viejo
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
Risten, RA tlumpmo... (Irvine resident)
Coral Kink-friendly Casino
  04/30/17
You didn't grow up here did you? Meet me at Salt Creek I liv...
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
I was born & raised in Orange County. Got out of here fo...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
Fuck yeah. How are you dealing with the boredom?
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
It goes both ways
Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria
  04/30/17
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abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
Everyone knows Los Angeles people are weird af. Orange Count...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
THat's literally just the transplant faggots in Silver Lake ...
abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
This is true. There are parts in the valley that feel like t...
Jade Mexican House
  04/30/17
parts of Studio City, Burbank, Glendale, Montrose, La Cresce...
abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
La Canada is some nice place but it's surrounded by filthy L...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
San Fernando Valley is basically a more boring version of Ri...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
there are upscale places in the valley with gated communitie...
Jade Mexican House
  04/30/17
I'm surprised but it looks like la has more self employed ...
Drab state sex offender
  04/30/17
Only certain parts of LA are directly connected to large com...
abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
Los Angeles has a bit more than twice the amount of populati...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
The link shows percentages
Drab state sex offender
  04/30/17
It really doesn't. I don't have strong feeling either way ab...
copper jew
  04/30/17
The traffic in la leads me to believe that about 1/2 of Oran...
razzle-dazzle school
  04/30/17
Very wrong. There is more traffic going southbound on the 40...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
LITERALLY
Flesh exciting university
  04/30/17
Guy who grew up in OC here. I would say this is false. More ...
Jade Mexican House
  04/30/17
cr. OP is a fucking retard.
Mind-boggling international law enforcement agency
  04/30/17
Well, yes TCTP is top 5 most retarded poasters here
abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
same and I agree with you.
fighting nowag
  04/30/17
(Guy who grew up in San Clemente)
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
What do you have against Pedro's Tacos bro
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
San Diego bro here, Orange County people are weirdly prole a...
Sienna Idiot Toilet Seat
  04/30/17
Strangely cr
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
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abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
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Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria
  05/03/17
MFCR especially the white people in OC. The Asians and Pers...
vibrant locale roommate
  05/05/17
Oddly specific but this sounds accurate
Drab state sex offender
  05/05/17
And Norcal people look down on that whole region
Orchid aphrodisiac theater
  04/30/17
Ljl at those rice burrito eating AIDS faggots
Sienna Idiot Toilet Seat
  04/30/17
...
Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria
  05/05/17
lol NorCal cares about SoCal more than the reverse It...
abnormal sanctuary private investor
  04/30/17
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cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
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Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
NorCal is "hella" shitty
cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay
  04/30/17
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carmine racy plaza coffee pot
  04/30/17
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Lascivious church building
  04/30/17
Norcal people are objectively better humans than socal peopl...
pale dilemma cuckold
  04/30/17
NorCal people are nicer , especially the folks in the Centra...
Iridescent National Security Agency
  04/30/17
I find norcal people including bay area folk to be more civi...
pale dilemma cuckold
  04/30/17
OC/LA are very different but OC people mainly complain about...
pale dilemma cuckold
  04/30/17
Tbf la mo here and I complain about those as well
Drab state sex offender
  04/30/17
...
olive dead queen of the night old irish cottage
  05/03/17
Isn't OC all chinks these days?
Massive spruce cumskin kitchen
  05/03/17
Only Irvine and garden grove
Iridescent National Security Agency
  05/03/17
This thread is some city-data shit tier discussion. Very ...
Shimmering razzle factory reset button stead
  05/03/17


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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:00 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Don't matter if you live in the Beverly Hills baby. Los Angeles people are extremely lib and weird af.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194633)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:01 PM
Author: olive dead queen of the night old irish cottage

Can boxy short Mestizos look down on anyone, metaphorically or literally?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194655)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: copper jew

Ouch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194663)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

(Maf kike)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194668)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:08 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195067)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 2:41 AM
Author: Galvanic Really Tough Guy Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195693)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:48 AM
Author: disrespectful pozpig

(Autistic loser)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195916)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 11:47 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

(Jewish curly haired loser)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33196979)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:33 PM
Author: Peach Police Squad Twinkling Uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197738)



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Date: May 5th, 2017 7:22 AM
Author: geriatric gold circlehead national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33235912)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: copper jew

LA trumpmo here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194670)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:44 PM
Author: Diverse Useless Fanboi

(rootless degen)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197421)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197450)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: Mentally impaired senate potus

I've met tons of people from OC and never liked any of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194677)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:04 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

(Democrat)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194680)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194683)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

Flame mothafucka!

Manhattan/Hermosa/Redondo Beach

Palos Verdes

El Segundo

Basically extensions of OC.

OP do you live here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194694)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:07 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

We don't claim them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194704)



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Date: April 29th, 2017 11:08 PM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

Who the fuck is "we"? Where are you from?

If you're from anywhere north of the el toro Y I don't want to hear it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33194712)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:06 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Think Huntington Beach/Costa Mesa/Irvine/Aliso Viejo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195058)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:28 AM
Author: Coral Kink-friendly Casino

Risten, RA tlumpmo...

(Irvine resident)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195467)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:42 AM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

You didn't grow up here did you? Meet me at Salt Creek I live in Ritz Cove let's fight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195910)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

I was born & raised in Orange County. Got out of here for college. Now I'm back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33196756)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

Fuck yeah. How are you dealing with the boredom?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33198082)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:10 AM
Author: Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria

It goes both ways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195075)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:10 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195077)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Everyone knows Los Angeles people are weird af. Orange County people have more in common with folks in the south and midwest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195092)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor

THat's literally just the transplant faggots in Silver Lake

Parts of the Valley pwns OC just b/c it's a nice suburb that's actually closer to 180 parts of LA, and doesn't feel as fake and plastic as places like Irvine, while having decent public schools that is not a cesspool of ghetto nigs or on the other extreme striver factories like Irvine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195104)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:16 AM
Author: Jade Mexican House

This is true. There are parts in the valley that feel like they have been transported from OC but are near LA. It's weird.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195110)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:18 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor

parts of Studio City, Burbank, Glendale, Montrose, La Crescenta, and if you have moar $$ La Canada are 180 places



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195123)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

La Canada is some nice place but it's surrounded by filthy Los Angeles smog. Pass!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195150)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:20 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

San Fernando Valley is basically a more boring version of Riverside. Bro LA County is just weird af. Bunch of rich people and bunch of poor people. Literally a third world country. But but Santa Monica is nice! And Venice has such creative folk! LJL. It's just a fucked up place with shit public schools.

Orange County is great because of its strong middle class. Public schools are great almost everywhere you go except Santa Ana and Anaheim. People here prefer to run their own small businesses rather than work at megacorp like most Los Angeles faggots do. Literally, Los Angeles people work in big corporations and very few run their own business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195147)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: Jade Mexican House

there are upscale places in the valley with gated communities and shit that feel like replicas of the gated communities of south OC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195153)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:29 AM
Author: Drab state sex offender

I'm surprised but it looks like la has more self employed

http://www.towncharts.com/California/Economy/Orange-County-CA-Economy-data.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195191)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:33 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor

Only certain parts of LA are directly connected to large companies- and especially true of areas like La Canada, La Crescenta etc where all the AZNs there have businesses in the Fashion District, while the white people generally tend to be retired boomers/people that work in local businesses or lots of white collar professionals - i.e. doctors, dentists etc over corporate, although some of them do work in DTLA.

Simply that area is too far from the center of LA's white collar big megacorps in Century City

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195210)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:27 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Los Angeles has a bit more than twice the amount of population Orange County has

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195459)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 2:25 AM
Author: Drab state sex offender

The link shows percentages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195664)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:16 AM
Author: copper jew

It really doesn't. I don't have strong feeling either way about OC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195420)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle school

The traffic in la leads me to believe that about 1/2 of Orange County works in la and vice versa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195089)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Very wrong. There is more traffic going southbound on the 405 than there is traffic going northbound of the 405. Most OC resident live and work here. But there's lots of LA faggots who come work here cause LA doesn't have jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195163)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: Flesh exciting university

LITERALLY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195091)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:14 AM
Author: Jade Mexican House

Guy who grew up in OC here. I would say this is false. More like OCers don't spend any time thinking about LAmos. It's like a distant land. OC is a bubble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195103)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:19 AM
Author: Mind-boggling international law enforcement agency

cr. OP is a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195135)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:20 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor

Well, yes TCTP is top 5 most retarded poasters here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195142)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:11 AM
Author: fighting nowag

same and I agree with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195406)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

(Guy who grew up in San Clemente)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33196823)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

What do you have against Pedro's Tacos bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33198085)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 3:04 AM
Author: Sienna Idiot Toilet Seat

San Diego bro here, Orange County people are weirdly prole and have bad taste, i think of mega churches and 50 year old dads wearing abercrombie and fitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195759)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:42 AM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

Strangely cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195911)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:43 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195912)



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Date: May 3rd, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33224822)



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Date: May 5th, 2017 6:17 AM
Author: vibrant locale roommate

MFCR especially the white people in OC. The Asians and Persians are the same as everywhere else but the middle aged white people are the douchier and more pathetically incapable of any meaningful self reflection than any other place on earth. OC white olds cling to the delusion that a guy can stay cool forever as long he pretends to surf. And the megachurches are flame; they're there mainly to facilitate posturing during white people's divorces.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33235875)



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Date: May 5th, 2017 9:08 AM
Author: Drab state sex offender

Oddly specific but this sounds accurate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33236162)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 3:06 AM
Author: Orchid aphrodisiac theater

And Norcal people look down on that whole region

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195766)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 3:10 AM
Author: Sienna Idiot Toilet Seat

Ljl at those rice burrito eating AIDS faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195775)



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Date: May 5th, 2017 7:57 AM
Author: Autistic alcoholic school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33235951)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 3:46 AM
Author: abnormal sanctuary private investor

lol

NorCal cares about SoCal more than the reverse

It's like how Berkeley students think they're rivals of Stanford whereas Stanford students don't care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195846)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:44 AM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195914)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33196744)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 4:45 AM
Author: cracking cowardly candlestick maker lay

NorCal is "hella" shitty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195915)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 7:41 AM
Author: carmine racy plaza coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195997)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 5:18 AM
Author: Lascivious church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33195928)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: pale dilemma cuckold

Norcal people are objectively better humans than socal people but they're also faggot so it's kind of a wash.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197186)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

NorCal people are nicer , especially the folks in the Central Valley (not so much the Bay Area). But NorCal people are weird af

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197409)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: pale dilemma cuckold

I find norcal people including bay area folk to be more civic and community orientated, educated, open-minded, but smug and elitist. Socal people have more prole tendencies but aren't as our there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197734)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:39 PM
Author: pale dilemma cuckold

OC/LA are very different but OC people mainly complain about poors, homeless, and parking in re LA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197770)



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Date: April 30th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Drab state sex offender

Tbf la mo here and I complain about those as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33197800)



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Date: May 3rd, 2017 7:50 PM
Author: olive dead queen of the night old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33224204)



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Date: May 3rd, 2017 8:36 PM
Author: Massive spruce cumskin kitchen

Isn't OC all chinks these days?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33224560)



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Date: May 3rd, 2017 9:39 PM
Author: Iridescent National Security Agency

Only Irvine and garden grove

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33224968)



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Date: May 3rd, 2017 8:56 PM
Author: Shimmering razzle factory reset button stead

This thread is some city-data shit tier discussion.

Very prole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3599873&forum_id=2#33224696)