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Date: July 25th, 2017 5:47 AM Author: exhilarant jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849512) |
Date: July 25th, 2017 6:03 AM Author: Hilarious Jade National t14? if so you'd have to really fuck up to fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849518) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: exhilarant jewess yes T14 but i didn't study (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857193) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: concupiscible geriatric state Stanford: 96 percent UC Berkeley: 89 percent UCLA: 88 percent USC: 88 percent UC Irvine: 83 percent UC Davis: 79 percent Santa Clara: 79 percent San Diego: 78 percent Loyola (LA): 73 percent ABA STATEWIDE AVERAGE: 70 PERCENT Pepperdine: 65 percent California Western: 65 percent Chapman: 64 percent McGeorge: 62 percent UC Hastings: 61 percent Southwestern: 57 percent Western State: 56 percent San Francisco: 54 percent Golden Gate: 51 percent La Verne: 41 percent Whittier: 38 percent Thomas Jefferson: 30 percent |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 6:16 AM Author: Pearl field azn did they retard it down this year or next year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849527) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:37 AM Author: exhilarant jewess it's 2 days not 3 but the content/subjects tested didn't change.
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:27 AM Author: Pearl field azn https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/business/dealbook/california-bar-exam.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857398) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:30 AM Author: exhilarant jewess (MFE) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857400) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:43 AM Author: 180 saffron hospital fat ankles wtf, it's only 2 days now? weak shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857419) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:59 AM Author: exhilarant jewess from what i understand they just went from 6 state law essays to 5 and 2 PTs to 1 and put them all on the same day instead of spreading PTs and essays out.
doesn't really seem *that* soft batch. why the fuck would you ever need more than ONE PT?
edit: i'm wrong apparently old format was both tuesday and thursday = three state essays in the morning and one THREE HOUR PT in afternoon.
that's the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard. who in their right mind could grade a fucking THREE HOUR PT w/o blowing their fucking brains out?
that said i'd be pissed too if i went through that fucking bullshit and passed only to see them switch from warrior mode to beginner a few years later. pretty sure the substance is the same but that's some endurance test bullshit. even texas's 3 day exam only does a half day on tuesday. |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 6:18 AM Author: Cracking hideous sound barrier institution You're gonna pass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849532) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:49 PM Author: Cracking hideous sound barrier institution see, I knew you would (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714785) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:53 PM Author: exhilarant jewess yeah thanks man. it didn't feel like it was gonna happen for a few days there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714803) |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 8:21 AM Author: twisted school love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849693) |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 8:27 AM Author: electric balding knife Well it will be a slow fail then, because it takes three days. Sort of like falling into a black hole while time almost stops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849706) |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 9:10 AM Author: vermilion doctorate preventive strike two days now. kids today don't earn it like we had to earn it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33849825) |
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Date: July 25th, 2017 9:42 AM Author: electric balding knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33850007) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 1:46 AM Author: exhilarant jewess n00b (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857114) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 1:52 AM Author: exhilarant jewess i had a really great/lucky draw on the mix of essay questions. Got one essay where about 75% was on topics I'd worked on recently, drafting substantial motions or memos (i'm already practicing in another jurisdiction) and had similar luck on multiple subparts (25% or 35% of a question) that were similar, i could recite the authorities by name if i wanted to and could state the issue, rule, etc. in Wright & Miller-esque language.
more important, i had a great draw in terms of subjects i'm not very good NOT being part of any essay and my bad subjects including one of the few ares i was decent at or being combined with something i'm strong in. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:07 AM Author: exhilarant jewess oh and then the performance test, which i thought was closed universe but was really only semi-closed universe (the instructions explicitly say to use the materials but also your general knowledge of substantive law) was on my favorite topic from law school and the thing i wrote my journal note on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857192) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: exhilarant jewess feeling pretty good bros, but now i'm worried i'll jinx it.
didn't open a book until july 10. studied fairly diligently for about 8 days. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:10 AM Author: Cracking hideous sound barrier institution you're gonna be just fine
now go to bed and be fresh for tomorrow |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:36 AM Author: exhilarant jewess this is the third bar i've taken and for all of them i don't think i've gotten a wink of sleep beyond maybe 4 hours cumulative from the time i got to my hotel on monday until after i turned in my last essay/scantron on wednesday or thursday (3 day bar). even on the two before when i was fairly prepared and studied (decently).
i'll try and sleep in about two hours, but don't have high hopes. just the nature of the assignment, for me apparently. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:42 AM Author: Doobsian giraffe You'll pass dude. If you've been practicing at a high level for a few years your general knowledge can really help you coast to a passing score (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857304) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:53 AM Author: exhilarant jewess i really think it helps for trying to BS the essays. even if you don't have a great memorization of the black letter law you can tell from a issue and how it's presented in the fact pattern where they're going or at least the general idea they're trying to steer you towards.
after writing enough briefs you can just throw buzzwords back: fiduciary duty, duty of loyalty, substantial hardship, implicit good faith and fair dealing, etc etc etc. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:37 AM Author: Lascivious scarlet patrolman parlour Lol@the thought that there are still lolschool students who post here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857286) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:38 AM Author: exhilarant jewess (RC n00b)
not in LS. poaster/lurker since the old days (but not as far back as the PR days).
admitted in 2 jurisdictions but my firm wants me admitted in cali. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:40 AM Author: Lascivious scarlet patrolman parlour I'll see you in court! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857296) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:55 AM Author: exhilarant jewess not if i see you first, admiral. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857348) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:52 AM Author: red ladyboy "Mr. Hart, would you recite the facts of Hawkins versus McGee?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857334) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:54 AM Author: exhilarant jewess rented it from blockbuster back in the day, the summer b/w college and 1L but i fell asleep after 35 min. :-/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857343) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 2:55 AM Author: Cracking hideous sound barrier institution what's the movie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857349) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:09 AM Author: exhilarant jewess the paper chase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857375) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 5:02 AM Author: red ladyboy "It's going to cost you a fortune to xerox that Bell." "Maybe I'm not going to xerox it." "What does that mean, maybe you're not gonna xerox it?" "This is a great outline, fantastic. If yours doesn't stack up you won't get a chance to look at it." "Bell's going to have his outline xeroxed just like the rest of us." "Maybe Bell is, and maybe Bell isn't." "The outline is a tool, Bell, a tool, not an end in itself." "I'm going to publish that outline." "The casebook's already been published Bell." "My outline is better than the casebook. Anyway it's going to be longer. I think you're all a bunch of pimps." "You're on a suicide course Bell." "I don't have to sit here and be insulted. One more word out of you Anderson and I'll lock your head in your attache case. How is your outline coming?" "Well I have not yet reached the stage where my outline is reducible to a single word, yet at 50 pages if I may pat myself on the back it's clean and concise." "How about you Kevin?" "It's coming." "Can you tell us how far?" "It'll be ready in four weeks, before exams." "I don't think Kevin has an outline. I think the pimp is holding out on us." "If you ever say pimp in front of me again-" "Pimp" "Jesus!" "You want to know about my outline? It's 800 pages long and it's fantastic. But you'll never see it Ford. Hart is the only one I'm gonna let see it. He's the only one of you who isn't a pimp. I was gonna let you see it Ford but I changed my mind. And as far as the robot pimp goes I was never gonna let that pimp see it anyway." "Get out! You get out of my study group!" "It's a pleasure you pimp." |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:22 AM Author: exhilarant jewess lulzy feature of the whole experience: i'm taking the test in anaheim. the test is at the anaheim convention center (also the convention center is undergoing massive construction work on like 3/4 of the bld so that's a nightmare) which is like 500 ft from the disney parks.
thus, my hotel is completely overrun with beleaguered looking midwestern prole parents and their obese kids screaming "M-I-C K-E-Y ..." and playing in the elevators when i'm trying to get down from my room to the stupid testing center.
i want to murder them all. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:31 AM Author: Pearl field azn let proles have some fun in the summer bro jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857403) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:39 AM Author: exhilarant jewess stop.
obviously i don't begrudge proles their $200 a head summer theme park "fun." it's just grating as fuck in the morning with my unique circumstance.
let a guy who's having a shitty two weeks because he's taking the fucking bar exam blow off a little steam bro jfc. |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:43 AM Author: Pearl field azn graduate degree elite in the most prosperous state decries his air conditioned conditions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857421) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:44 AM Author: 180 saffron hospital fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857424) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:41 AM Author: exhilarant jewess lol FMA i keep forgetting that when it's 12 am for me it's 4 am in civilization.
fuck u night crew |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:44 AM Author: 180 saffron hospital fat ankles California by itself is the 5th largest economy in the world. fuck the east coast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857425) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 3:46 AM Author: Dashing affirmative action youll be fine.
back when i took the bar it was bar threads all day everyday here so there was a lot of support. too bad there isnt any here.
anyway, if you do your studying, youll knock it out of the park. its not hard, you just have to grind |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 4:00 AM Author: exhilarant jewess i already didn't grind. i studied for maybe two weeks. but i've passed the bar in two other jur's already and got a pretty lucky draw on the essays so we'll see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857440) |
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Date: July 26th, 2017 5:06 AM Author: brindle effete house hominid Race? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33857506) |
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Date: July 29th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: exhilarant jewess risten, risten ... chill rite bro hear... i rika ronald yay rump a'rong time! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33879896) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:52 AM Author: vivacious party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#33901622) |
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Date: November 6th, 2017 7:46 PM Author: exhilarant jewess have like two weeks or a little less to go before results FMA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34620362) |
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Date: November 6th, 2017 8:46 PM Author: peach idiot brunch Where will you go when it's time to check results (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34620720) |
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Date: November 6th, 2017 9:27 PM Author: exhilarant jewess idk whatever website it is i'm supposed to go to i guess. haven't looked at that shit since i flew home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34620974) |
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Date: November 6th, 2017 8:50 PM Author: Bisexual jet whorehouse do u have a jerb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34620756) |
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Date: November 6th, 2017 9:27 PM Author: exhilarant jewess yes i'm already an atty working in another jurisdiction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34620977) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: exhilarant jewess passed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714197) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: appetizing church building scourge upon the earth Congrats brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714201) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: Soul-stirring Center Circlehead 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714206) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: splenetic sanctuary Grats what will u do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714218) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:41 PM Author: exhilarant jewess start making appearances in cali on my firms cases i guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714753) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: Wonderful carnelian corn cake national security agency 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714225) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:55 PM Author: Charismatic Gold Deer Antler sup fellow cali barmo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714226) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:57 PM Author: Cracking hideous sound barrier institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714242) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:58 PM Author: cerebral embarrassed to the bone dragon 180! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714262) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:41 PM Author: Big home grats breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714757) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:54 PM Author: peach idiot brunch Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714804) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:06 AM Author: Pea-brained meetinghouse codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714861) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: cocky pink gaming laptop lol @ bar-takers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714202) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:55 PM Author: provocative sandwich heaven congrats.
i was happy my state had the performance test.
i didn't even prepare for it. know for a fact i knocked it out of the park. that's one thing i can do very well. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:41 PM Author: exhilarant jewess performances test was probably key. i made up law on 2 of the 5 substantive essays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714756) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:42 PM Author: Maroon multi-colored locale barbri ? |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:47 PM Author: exhilarant jewess nah just bought a cali CMR off ebay. did ~50 practice MBE questions total. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714777) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:50 PM Author: Maroon multi-colored locale weird flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714788) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 11:54 PM Author: exhilarant jewess working full time in another jx, man. don't see the point of setting up this flame five months ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34714809) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:53 AM Author: exhilarant jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34715031) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 1:19 AM Author: red ladyboy It would help if the bar exam covered the law of the state, but that would make too much sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34715101) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 1:32 AM Author: exhilarant jewess there seemed to be a bunch of cali distinctions on civ pro/evidence/etc. when i was reading barbri. but i mostly skipped over them/just went with federal rule on essays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34715145) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 1:35 AM Author: Talented Smoky Native Chad You basically have to learn civ pro and family law for each state. If you're a transactional attorney the bar is fucking worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34715159) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 3:23 AM Author: vivacious party of the first part states whose civ pro rules don't replicate FRCP are TTTTTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34715496) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 5:48 PM Author: exhilarant jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#34719069) |
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Date: December 27th, 2017 7:34 PM Author: concupiscible geriatric state Stanford: 96 percent UC Berkeley: 89 percent UCLA: 88 percent USC: 88 percent UC Irvine: 83 percent UC Davis: 79 percent Santa Clara: 79 percent San Diego: 78 percent Loyola (LA): 73 percent ABA STATEWIDE AVERAGE: 70 PERCENT Pepperdine: 65 percent California Western: 65 percent Chapman: 64 percent McGeorge: 62 percent UC Hastings: 61 percent Southwestern: 57 percent Western State: 56 percent San Francisco: 54 percent Golden Gate: 51 percent La Verne: 41 percent Whittier: 38 percent Thomas Jefferson: 30 percent |
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Date: December 27th, 2017 7:36 PM Author: splenetic sanctuary Ljl at chilmata (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#35021185) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:37 PM Author: exhilarant jewess reminder for bros who are stressing about the bar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36432056) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:21 PM Author: exhilarant jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477327) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:24 PM Author: angry filthpig What were you averaging on question setsb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477350) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:30 PM Author: exhilarant jewess i literally didn't do any practice MBE's other than what was available for free online--one set of questions per subject.
then around midnight the day before the MBE i broke down and spent like ~$100 for a set of questions from the NCBE, but i didn't end up doing that many of them, but reviewing them during the break helped.
the last bar exam i did before California i think my average was something like:
Crim: 85% Torts: 80% Evidence: 80% Con Law: 75% Contracts: 70% Real Property: 30% |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:34 PM Author: angry filthpig Lol what is this flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477407) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:39 PM Author: exhilarant jewess this is 100% NOT FLAME brother.
i literally didn't even know they'd added civ pro to the MBE until like 3 days before i took the test, although it probably ended up helping me since i do lit, thus the 12(b)(6), summary judgment, directed verdict type questions were very easy for me. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Lavender fluffy shrine amazing if true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477488) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:47 PM Author: angry filthpig Tbf I was averaging in the sixties when I first started studying, so I guess if you kill the essays it’s possible. Most bros try to kill the MBE though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477495) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 8:52 PM Author: exhilarant jewess i crushed three of the essays and probably did passable on the other two. i absolutely fucking crushed the performance test.
if i had to guess at how i did on the MBE i'd say i was probably in the mid to high 60% range. i think they say 68.5% right on the MBE correlates exactly to the scaled 144 cut score. i would guess that i passed by the skin of my teeth, but who knows? |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Irate Mustard Theater Stage Please explain, with specificity, how you crushed the PT. Think I screwed it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36512874) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: angry filthpig How did you screw up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36513163) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: Irate Mustard Theater Stage I mean I wrote an intro paragraph as you would in a brief. Then three paragraphs under each heading. First was sort of intro, second was distinguishing or analogizinf the case, third was conclusion. Feel like I needed way more headings and analysis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36513211) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: angry filthpig Eh I did two headings only lol. I feel like it would have been easy for graders to follow though. What more headings would you need? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36513224) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:48 PM Author: Irate Mustard Theater Stage Saw people saying a heading for moral turpitude definition heading for clear and convincing then the conduct itself. Idk. Feel like I didn’t write nearly enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36515202) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 9:55 PM Author: exhilarant jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36477890) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: Lavender fluffy shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36486134) |
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Date: September 14th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: exhilarant jewess promised self i'd fill out the moral character application by this sunday at the latest but omfg i don't wanna do this shit rn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36810169) |
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Date: September 14th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: angry filthpig How long does it take to hear back? Do you have to collect shit from your employers and school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3684239&forum_id=2#36810183) |