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Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/15/17
HOOOOOly fuck at these results: http://www.top-law-school...
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/15/17
holy shit
Avocado hairraiser location
  09/15/17
unreal
motley carmine shrine
  09/15/17
Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown
transparent coffee pot forum
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
check your privilege cracker
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
where did you go
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with du...
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median! l o l
Stimulating yellow hell
  09/16/17
our median is not nearly that high its like 3.5
Tantric House
  09/16/17
median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real gr...
Stimulating yellow hell
  09/16/17
my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and t...
pearl kitty cat area
  09/16/17
Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS
fluffy juggernaut
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
whered you go
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they ...
demanding effete stead twinkling uncleanness
  09/15/17
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Curious set
  09/15/17
10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff
green passionate market mental disorder
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
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Curious set
  09/16/17
I think people would rather go to a better school than have ...
Tantric House
  09/16/17
lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
what about for minor shit
Stimulating yellow hell
  09/16/17
not for anything
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
not for a fucking cough my nig?
Stimulating yellow hell
  09/16/17
I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously m...
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
Id rather just see a nurse/RN
pearl kitty cat area
  09/16/17
I specified that I was talking about normal people
Tantric House
  09/16/17
The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed ...
arousing idiot piazza
  09/16/17
"normal" people like being treated by doctors that...
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
State your lsat score before I engage you further.
blue blathering theater
  09/16/17
"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only...
Violet domesticated senate
  09/15/17
mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.
Godawful house-broken school death wish
  09/15/17
georgeTTTown out of the T14
green passionate market mental disorder
  09/16/17
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Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/15/17
My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GP...
Provocative parlour faggot firefighter
  09/16/17
Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would ...
Poppy ape affirmative action
  09/16/17
what do you mean by thriving also, his lsat may have been v...
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. D...
transparent coffee pot forum
  09/16/17
...
Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
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Tantric House
  09/16/17
People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSA...
coral mischievous orchestra pit
  09/16/17
...
Curious set
  09/16/17
"Thriving"
fluffy juggernaut
  09/16/17
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Curious set
  09/16/17
...
Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
this is fucking absurd.
Odious disgusting bawdyhouse
  09/16/17
what were your stats and where did you go
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
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Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry
  09/16/17
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Curious set
  09/16/17
Ljl
pearl kitty cat area
  09/16/17
jfc
Concupiscible meetinghouse travel guidebook
  09/16/17
lmfao
big spot ceo
  09/18/17
The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to g...
aromatic cruel-hearted azn
  09/16/17
What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action t...
federal vibrant temple internal respiration
  09/16/17
like all of Yale and nyu
Tantric House
  09/16/17
I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are sup...
arousing idiot piazza
  09/16/17
Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free ad...
mauve alcoholic locus
  09/16/17
Sigh. I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled...
Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel
  09/16/17
hahahha then you realized it's all flame and being a &quo...
pearl kitty cat area
  09/16/17
actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the...
Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel
  09/16/17
wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're crit...
Khaki seedy wagecucks
  09/16/17
Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something?...
Drunken foreskin
  09/16/17
I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an ear...
Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel
  09/18/17
oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism
Gay dashing selfie macaca
  09/16/17
...
pearl kitty cat area
  09/16/17
Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.
Contagious address philosopher-king
  09/18/17


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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11854/urm-admissions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218872)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:08 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

HOOOOOly fuck at these results:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275052&hilit=results

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218882)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: Avocado hairraiser location

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218955)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: motley carmine shrine

unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218980)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: transparent coffee pot forum

Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222962)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223559)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

check your privilege cracker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223568)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223580)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:39 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223589)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223613)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223626)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with dumbs as classmates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223720)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:02 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223729)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: Stimulating yellow hell

3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median!

l o l

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223620)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Tantric House

our median is not nearly that high

its like 3.5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223643)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:08 PM
Author: Stimulating yellow hell

median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real grades -> went hiding in latin american studies to inflate my gpa

finished above median!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223764)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: pearl kitty cat area

my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and then promptly transferred to a poli sci major where he graduated with a 3.9 GPA...no flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224783)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: fluffy juggernaut

Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223633)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223656)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

whered you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223723)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: demanding effete stead twinkling uncleanness

The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they make it rational to assume the URM graduates are less capable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218928)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: Curious set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218929)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: green passionate market mental disorder

10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223561)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Curious set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223564)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: Tantric House

I think people would rather go to a better school than have people "assume" they're smarter

Normal people (not race obsessed xo posters) dont have race and LSAT charts memorized and judge people as individuals anyway. Its easy to talk to someone and tell whether they're smart anyway. You dont need to do some sort of weird extrapolation nased on their race's median scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223808)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223815)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Stimulating yellow hell

what about for minor shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223826)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:36 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

not for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223953)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Stimulating yellow hell

not for a fucking cough my nig?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously my GP isn't going to be black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223972)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: pearl kitty cat area

Id rather just see a nurse/RN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223986)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: Tantric House

I specified that I was talking about normal people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223834)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: arousing idiot piazza

The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed well-known to "normal people," as its having seeped into popular culture attests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqUQ17sYm0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223923)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

"normal" people like being treated by doctors that actually earned their med school admission.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223959)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: blue blathering theater

State your lsat score before I engage you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224180)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Violet domesticated senate

"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only got into Georgetown"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218992)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Godawful house-broken school death wish

mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218995)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: green passionate market mental disorder

georgeTTTown out of the T14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222967)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34219792)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: Provocative parlour faggot firefighter

My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GPA and got into an HYS, probably with the benefit of affirmative action. He seems to be thriving at a V20 firm. I'm not sure LSAT and GPA are all they're cracked up to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222966)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: Poppy ape affirmative action

Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would thrive too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222997)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

what do you mean by thriving

also, his lsat may have been very high (some blacks score high), which means he's smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223121)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: transparent coffee pot forum

By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. Did you ever read that article about black performance on the LSAT? It was insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223128)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223645)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Tantric House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223649)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: coral mischievous orchestra pit

People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSAT isn't the end all be all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223527)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Curious set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223567)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: fluffy juggernaut

"Thriving"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223610)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: Curious set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223629)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223634)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Odious disgusting bawdyhouse

this is fucking absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223572)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

what were your stats and where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223581)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Filthy Racy Space Cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223654)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: Curious set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223661)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: pearl kitty cat area

Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223946)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Concupiscible meetinghouse travel guidebook

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224993)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: big spot ceo

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240512)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: aromatic cruel-hearted azn

The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to get into law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223679)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: federal vibrant temple internal respiration

What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action to this extent? It must be much less than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223784)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Tantric House

like all of Yale and nyu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223829)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: arousing idiot piazza

I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are super in favor of affirmative action get offended if you suggest that they themselves were affirmative-action recipients? If it's perfectly fine and justified to admit people who would not have qualified on merit alone, then why treat it as an accusation of something shameful?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224015)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:34 PM
Author: mauve alcoholic locus

Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free adderall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223937)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel

Sigh.

I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled in a terrible neighborhood with harsh parents who did nothing to nurture my educational aspirations, the Jewish kids across town were getting everything in life they ever wanted, treated like gold in their families, vacations in St. Maarten, summers off, no work after school, and then top of the class.

I then struggled bitterly through undergrad, not understanding the chance misfortune of my circumstances, as they enjoyed ivory tower academic bliss knowing that their parents were going to cover their tuition every semester, gold watches on their arms, etc.

I thought it was great payback that I got into law schools some of them didn't. I thought it was a testament to my character for all the shit I had to go through that they didn't. This country loves an underdog. Except when we're talking about AA on XO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224766)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: pearl kitty cat area

hahahha

then you realized it's all flame and being a "working professional" sucks huge balls? and that you will never have as much money as someone who inherits it? and that striving is all for nothing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224771)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel

actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the houses in that part of town where these kids came from, so I do see a thinning in the net worth gap.

But yes, I still don't think of myself as rich and am now questioning what I saw as rich back in secondary school. I suppose if any of those families were truly wealthy they would have had their kids in private school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224805)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Khaki seedy wagecucks

wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're criticizing AA? or annoyed that you got AA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224942)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: Drunken foreskin

Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something? Otherwise why would you have had so many interactions with Jewish kids across town that you had such a keen sense of their family dynamics and vacation itineraries, or is the idea that these were the notions you had about hypothetical Jews at the time? I'm a White Catholic that grew up around a ton of Jews who had more money than me, and I never envied them because their parents would be so weird about things, whether that meant being cheap or being showy and tacky. It wasn't until I met the legit super rich wasps and model minorities I knew in law school that I developed a truly deep sense of envy and frustration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225293)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 7:43 AM
Author: Erotic bat-shit-crazy headpube chapel

I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an early age because I tested well. So I was thrown in with them from an early age. But being from the same town and in the same high school, why wouldn't I have had interactions with them if I was in the same classes with them (study groups, etc.)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34234432)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: Gay dashing selfie macaca

oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225452)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: pearl kitty cat area



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: Contagious address philosopher-king

Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240423)