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spruce crackhouse
  09/15/17
HOOOOOly fuck at these results: http://www.top-law-school...
spruce crackhouse
  09/15/17
holy shit
splenetic goyim
  09/15/17
unreal
Harsh Scourge Upon The Earth Office
  09/15/17
Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown
cyan dingle berry
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
check your privilege cracker
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
where did you go
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
...
Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with du...
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median! l o l
Exhilarant pearly bbw
  09/16/17
our median is not nearly that high its like 3.5
electric impressive chapel
  09/16/17
median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real gr...
Exhilarant pearly bbw
  09/16/17
my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and t...
Marvelous azure pit giraffe
  09/16/17
Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS
gold pisswyrm
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
whered you go
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they ...
Diverse foreskin nursing home
  09/15/17
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alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio
  09/15/17
10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff
vivacious orchestra pit generalized bond
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
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alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio
  09/16/17
I think people would rather go to a better school than have ...
electric impressive chapel
  09/16/17
lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
what about for minor shit
Exhilarant pearly bbw
  09/16/17
not for anything
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
not for a fucking cough my nig?
Exhilarant pearly bbw
  09/16/17
I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously m...
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
Id rather just see a nurse/RN
Marvelous azure pit giraffe
  09/16/17
I specified that I was talking about normal people
electric impressive chapel
  09/16/17
The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed ...
startled point
  09/16/17
"normal" people like being treated by doctors that...
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
State your lsat score before I engage you further.
Cowardly piazza
  09/16/17
"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only...
mind-boggling parlor potus
  09/15/17
mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.
180 purple partner
  09/15/17
georgeTTTown out of the T14
vivacious orchestra pit generalized bond
  09/16/17
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spruce crackhouse
  09/15/17
My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GP...
Bull headed sick den french chef
  09/16/17
Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would ...
doobsian mad cow disease
  09/16/17
what do you mean by thriving also, his lsat may have been v...
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. D...
cyan dingle berry
  09/16/17
...
Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
...
electric impressive chapel
  09/16/17
People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSA...
magenta site
  09/16/17
...
alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio
  09/16/17
"Thriving"
gold pisswyrm
  09/16/17
...
alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio
  09/16/17
...
Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
this is fucking absurd.
Aromatic painfully honest feces
  09/16/17
what were your stats and where did you go
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
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Razzmatazz gas station tattoo
  09/16/17
...
alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio
  09/16/17
Ljl
Marvelous azure pit giraffe
  09/16/17
jfc
Jade Mood
  09/16/17
lmfao
Insecure Police Squad Corn Cake
  09/18/17
The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to g...
Sooty depressive
  09/16/17
What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action t...
Citrine Beady-eyed Parlour
  09/16/17
like all of Yale and nyu
electric impressive chapel
  09/16/17
I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are sup...
startled point
  09/16/17
Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free ad...
Charismatic twinkling hairy legs
  09/16/17
Sigh. I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled...
heady lemon regret
  09/16/17
hahahha then you realized it's all flame and being a &quo...
Marvelous azure pit giraffe
  09/16/17
actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the...
heady lemon regret
  09/16/17
wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're crit...
spruce crackhouse
  09/16/17
Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something?...
pale box office
  09/16/17
I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an ear...
heady lemon regret
  09/18/17
oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism
rusted frum roast beef deer antler
  09/16/17
...
Marvelous azure pit giraffe
  09/16/17
Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.
Peach rough-skinned resort becky
  09/18/17


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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11854/urm-admissions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218872)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:08 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

HOOOOOly fuck at these results:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275052&hilit=results

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218882)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: splenetic goyim

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218955)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: Harsh Scourge Upon The Earth Office

unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218980)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: cyan dingle berry

Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222962)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223559)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

check your privilege cracker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223568)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223580)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:39 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223589)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223613)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223626)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with dumbs as classmates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223720)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:02 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223729)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: Exhilarant pearly bbw

3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median!

l o l

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223620)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: electric impressive chapel

our median is not nearly that high

its like 3.5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223643)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:08 PM
Author: Exhilarant pearly bbw

median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real grades -> went hiding in latin american studies to inflate my gpa

finished above median!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223764)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: Marvelous azure pit giraffe

my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and then promptly transferred to a poli sci major where he graduated with a 3.9 GPA...no flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224783)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: gold pisswyrm

Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223633)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223656)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

whered you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223723)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: Diverse foreskin nursing home

The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they make it rational to assume the URM graduates are less capable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218928)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218929)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: vivacious orchestra pit generalized bond

10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223561)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223564)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: electric impressive chapel

I think people would rather go to a better school than have people "assume" they're smarter

Normal people (not race obsessed xo posters) dont have race and LSAT charts memorized and judge people as individuals anyway. Its easy to talk to someone and tell whether they're smart anyway. You dont need to do some sort of weird extrapolation nased on their race's median scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223808)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223815)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Exhilarant pearly bbw

what about for minor shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223826)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:36 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

not for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223953)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant pearly bbw

not for a fucking cough my nig?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously my GP isn't going to be black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223972)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: Marvelous azure pit giraffe

Id rather just see a nurse/RN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223986)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: electric impressive chapel

I specified that I was talking about normal people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223834)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: startled point

The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed well-known to "normal people," as its having seeped into popular culture attests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqUQ17sYm0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223923)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

"normal" people like being treated by doctors that actually earned their med school admission.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223959)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: Cowardly piazza

State your lsat score before I engage you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224180)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: mind-boggling parlor potus

"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only got into Georgetown"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218992)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: 180 purple partner

mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218995)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: vivacious orchestra pit generalized bond

georgeTTTown out of the T14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222967)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34219792)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: Bull headed sick den french chef

My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GPA and got into an HYS, probably with the benefit of affirmative action. He seems to be thriving at a V20 firm. I'm not sure LSAT and GPA are all they're cracked up to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222966)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: doobsian mad cow disease

Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would thrive too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222997)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: spruce crackhouse

what do you mean by thriving

also, his lsat may have been very high (some blacks score high), which means he's smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223121)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: cyan dingle berry

By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. Did you ever read that article about black performance on the LSAT? It was insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223128)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223645)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: electric impressive chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223649)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: magenta site

People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSAT isn't the end all be all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223527)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223567)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: gold pisswyrm

"Thriving"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223610)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223629)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223634)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Aromatic painfully honest feces

this is fucking absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223572)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

what were your stats and where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223581)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Razzmatazz gas station tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223654)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: alcoholic maniacal theater stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223661)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: Marvelous azure pit giraffe

Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223946)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Jade Mood

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224993)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: Insecure Police Squad Corn Cake

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240512)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Sooty depressive

The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to get into law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223679)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: Citrine Beady-eyed Parlour

What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action to this extent? It must be much less than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223784)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: electric impressive chapel

like all of Yale and nyu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223829)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: startled point

I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are super in favor of affirmative action get offended if you suggest that they themselves were affirmative-action recipients? If it's perfectly fine and justified to admit people who would not have qualified on merit alone, then why treat it as an accusation of something shameful?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224015)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:34 PM
Author: Charismatic twinkling hairy legs

Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free adderall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223937)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: heady lemon regret

Sigh.

I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled in a terrible neighborhood with harsh parents who did nothing to nurture my educational aspirations, the Jewish kids across town were getting everything in life they ever wanted, treated like gold in their families, vacations in St. Maarten, summers off, no work after school, and then top of the class.

I then struggled bitterly through undergrad, not understanding the chance misfortune of my circumstances, as they enjoyed ivory tower academic bliss knowing that their parents were going to cover their tuition every semester, gold watches on their arms, etc.

I thought it was great payback that I got into law schools some of them didn't. I thought it was a testament to my character for all the shit I had to go through that they didn't. This country loves an underdog. Except when we're talking about AA on XO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224766)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Marvelous azure pit giraffe

hahahha

then you realized it's all flame and being a "working professional" sucks huge balls? and that you will never have as much money as someone who inherits it? and that striving is all for nothing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224771)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: heady lemon regret

actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the houses in that part of town where these kids came from, so I do see a thinning in the net worth gap.

But yes, I still don't think of myself as rich and am now questioning what I saw as rich back in secondary school. I suppose if any of those families were truly wealthy they would have had their kids in private school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224805)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: spruce crackhouse

wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're criticizing AA? or annoyed that you got AA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224942)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: pale box office

Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something? Otherwise why would you have had so many interactions with Jewish kids across town that you had such a keen sense of their family dynamics and vacation itineraries, or is the idea that these were the notions you had about hypothetical Jews at the time? I'm a White Catholic that grew up around a ton of Jews who had more money than me, and I never envied them because their parents would be so weird about things, whether that meant being cheap or being showy and tacky. It wasn't until I met the legit super rich wasps and model minorities I knew in law school that I developed a truly deep sense of envy and frustration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225293)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 7:43 AM
Author: heady lemon regret

I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an early age because I tested well. So I was thrown in with them from an early age. But being from the same town and in the same high school, why wouldn't I have had interactions with them if I was in the same classes with them (study groups, etc.)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34234432)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: rusted frum roast beef deer antler

oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225452)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: Marvelous azure pit giraffe



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: Peach rough-skinned resort becky

Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240423)