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Beckersted: why do you not believe in Evolution (or not care if its true)?

the other thread is getting unwieldy This would seem to b...
glittery den bbw
  09/27/17
my decision to accept or reject it has no real world implica...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
How do you reconcile the FACT that you share 50% of your DNA...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
(guy who fucking loves science)
Mind-boggling Stead Puppy
  09/27/17
Rofl'ed at capitalized FACT. Checkmate, Christians!
arousing set sneaky criminal
  09/27/17
they are literally facts
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
*tips fedora*
cracking school sweet tailpipe
  09/27/17
i don't know if this is Kirk Cameron trolling or not?
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
nope, answer all 3 of those questions
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
i don't see how any of these questions are related but here ...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
wow, nice retorts. ur a retard, basically.
Cerebral Red Kitty Cat Travel Guidebook
  09/27/17
also, heard some lectures put out from the kolbe center that...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Why do you think it's incompatible with Christianity? String...
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
it's not. anyone who believes it's incompatible is an idiot
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
no Darwin, but I imagine the idea is that random mutation (t...
glittery den bbw
  09/27/17
What if God doesn't want to micromanage shit like how the wi...
arousing set sneaky criminal
  09/27/17
You would not believe how micromanaged fly wings are from an...
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
but christians will say that God very much does care about h...
glittery den bbw
  09/27/17
...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
I see no need for this doctrine.
Diverse slap-happy range
  09/27/17
i look at threads and take them seriously and then see "...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
While random(and for various reasons, mutation levels aren't...
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
M/string theory is fine. i think evolution IN PARTICULAR is...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Are you Young Earth believer?
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
no.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
so you believe humans in their current form have been around...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
microevolution makes sense. it's macro that does not. ho...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
uh but Homo Erectus fossils literally exist? are you one of...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
you're making all these huge leaps and strawmen. i simply...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Right, so you admit God created Homo Erectus and dinosaurs f...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
well, you're just flat out wrong. God is omnipotent and cou...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
but he said he did it this way. it's not about his capabili...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
so you believe God literally made woman out of Adam's rib? ...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
you're making large leaps. yes, there is metaphor here, but...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
answer my question above about Homo Erectus and dinosaurs i...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
i don't know.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Have u ever tried gardening? A lot of stuff dies when ur new...
cracking school sweet tailpipe
  09/27/17
You reject speciation in all instances?
Lime hairraiser indirect expression psychic
  09/27/17
i don't know enough to say tbh.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Speciation is more or less another term for macroevolution. ...
Lime hairraiser indirect expression psychic
  09/27/17
take this i fucking love thience shit back to reddit
Bonkers rigor
  09/27/17
btw you're not talking to a shithead atheist ITT. I conside...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
that's novelty. traditional christianity also viewed the ge...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
if you interpret it as "factual," you necessarily ...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
why is my hermeneutical framework so important to you?
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
because it irritates me when believers disregard basic scien...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
i can understand this, but your reading assumes that christ ...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Re: Noah, I have no real problem with the Great Flood narrat...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
eminently reasonable.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
jesus christ autistic chad tp is the stick up your ass 15 or...
House-broken Forum Selfie
  09/27/17
I've had to have this conversation with my dad one too many ...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
guess what. nobody gives a fuck. this isn't a lawman thre...
House-broken Forum Selfie
  09/27/17
I admit he's a good dood and I shouldn't be such a jerk it'...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
this isn't an excuse bro, nobody cares how strongly you feel...
House-broken Forum Selfie
  09/27/17
dude, i've already let it go. i think that you're entitled ...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
the nice thing is that I can think beckersted is batshit ins...
Passionate center brethren
  09/27/17
this is true
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Isn't evolution a fairly important topic w/r/t education in ...
crusty background story plaza
  09/27/17
it's important if you are going into biological sciences. B...
Passionate center brethren
  09/27/17
I think our society benefits if we all have a greater unders...
crusty background story plaza
  09/27/17
this is my issue with it as well, but I think the most impor...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
brother, itt you're being no better than the atheist crowd ...
Green candlestick maker azn
  09/27/17
i studied it and got A's in it. i did what i needed to do t...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
It of course should be taught because it provides the best d...
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
This only matters in that it exposes AA even more. This is l...
smoky misanthropic generalized bond
  09/27/17
Another important question for beckersted that I will approa...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
i don't have an answer to that. i am as lost as most people...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
See, I think my position answers this question perfectly: t...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
ur falling into trap of anthropic principle. you are working...
Cerebral Red Kitty Cat Travel Guidebook
  09/27/17
The Anthropic Principle isn't a trap, it's correct. Every p...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
Alright fuck it I'm abandoning evolution too
odious lake locale
  09/27/17
In regards to your general feeling of wonderment, I encourag...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
lol @ autistic chad's fucking love of science on display in ...
arousing set sneaky criminal
  09/27/17
"I believe in microevolution, but not macroevolution&qu...
smoky misanthropic generalized bond
  09/27/17
i own it.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Why not just say "I'm ignorant about the science, but i...
smoky misanthropic generalized bond
  09/27/17
ok. i will do that then.
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
To me its like someone saying they think the Earth is flat o...
aquamarine associate sanctuary
  09/27/17
why do people insist that random mutations have to be truly ...
Olive Address
  09/27/17
i ask this honestly: how has evolution charged your/our l...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
Regardless of its functional utility, its most important eff...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
but functional utility IS science, no? is evolutionary theo...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
see my edit above about, e.g., astrophysics. No, not everyt...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
i'm not sure that astrophysics is completely an intellectual...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
The LHC isn't astrophysics, but I understand what you're say...
tan marketing idea corner
  09/27/17
thanks for engaging. gotta split. will pick it up later. ...
Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house
  09/27/17
I guess it depends what you mean by breakthrough. Lots of pa...
Grizzly cumskin
  09/27/17
whether or not evolution is a burning issue in modern societ...
abnormal locus idea he suggested
  09/27/17
...
Irradiated Lavender Area Macaca
  09/27/17
who cares
laughsome immigrant resort
  09/27/17


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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: glittery den bbw

the other thread is getting unwieldy

This would seem to be an important theory to either accept or reject

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311066)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:21 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

my decision to accept or reject it has no real world implications at all. it's basically a red herring put out there to distabilize christian belief.

generally, i believe in microevolution. macroevolution (across the trees) is nonsense to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311111)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:28 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

How do you reconcile the FACT that you share 50% of your DNA with a banana?

Fossils of pre-human ancestors like Homo Erectus?

FACT of the age of the Earth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311175)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Stead Puppy

(guy who fucking loves science)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311185)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: arousing set sneaky criminal

Rofl'ed at capitalized FACT. Checkmate, Christians!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311223)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

they are literally facts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311227)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: cracking school sweet tailpipe

*tips fedora*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311257)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i don't know if this is Kirk Cameron trolling or not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311188)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:30 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

nope, answer all 3 of those questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311200)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i don't see how any of these questions are related but here you go:

How do you reconcile the FACT that you share 50% of your DNA with a banana?

--we all have similar building blocks? shrug.

Fossils of pre-human ancestors like Homo Erectus?

--and they somehow don't have the shape of dolphin skulls

FACT of the age of the Earth?

--what about it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311244)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:55 PM
Author: Cerebral Red Kitty Cat Travel Guidebook

wow, nice retorts. ur a retard, basically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311915)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

also, heard some lectures put out from the kolbe center that were convincing to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311147)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:27 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

Why do you think it's incompatible with Christianity? String theory is really fucking weird, but I don't see how it is inconsistent with a God or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311171)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:28 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

it's not.

anyone who believes it's incompatible is an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311177)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:28 PM
Author: glittery den bbw

no Darwin, but I imagine the idea is that random mutation (the main fuel of evolution) is inconsistent with God being intentional about history. I suppose you could say that the apparent randomness is merely the facade of God's will, but that seems to empty randomness of its meaning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311179)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:31 PM
Author: arousing set sneaky criminal

What if God doesn't want to micromanage shit like how the wings of flies are shaped or what the cliffs of Dover look like, so he sets natural processes like evolution and erosion into place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311205)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

You would not believe how micromanaged fly wings are from an evolutionary developmental biology perspective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311221)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: glittery den bbw

but christians will say that God very much does care about history, constantly authoring its ultimate redemption. This brings up a lot of problems of course, like free will, but it also makes random mutation/selection difficult. Remember, YHWH doesnt just care about the END of history, he is intimately involved in redeeming creation in the here-and-now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311233)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:37 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311288)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: Diverse slap-happy range

I see no need for this doctrine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311492)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i look at threads and take them seriously and then see "XII ways of looking at a WGWAG" and laff. lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311605)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:31 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

While random(and for various reasons, mutation levels aren't random across the genome) mutation is the 'raw fuel' for evolutionary theory, it is the pressures of positive and negative selection that guide what stays and what goes, so it's not really as meaningless as just a coin flip.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311211)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:28 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

M/string theory is fine. i think evolution IN PARTICULAR is incompatible and, specifically, MACROevolution is incompatible. so, i don't worry about it and chuck it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311180)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

Are you Young Earth believer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311187)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:30 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311196)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

so you believe humans in their current form have been around for billions of years? or that God just randomly created new species as He went?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311224)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

microevolution makes sense. it's macro that does not.

homo erectus, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311262)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:40 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

uh but Homo Erectus fossils literally exist?

are you one of those tards who believe they, like dinosaurs, were put there by God to test our faith?

or that God just made the species Homor Erectus for shits and giggles to go extinct long before humans were around (which would contradict the perfection of the Garden, as do dinosaurs)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311325)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

you're making all these huge leaps and strawmen.

i simply said "i don't believe in evolution". i don't have an answer to how things happened. i basically believe god made it that way. that's it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311365)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

Right, so you admit God created Homo Erectus and dinosaurs for essentially no reason, to live and die before He ever created man, got it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311374)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:30 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

well, you're just flat out wrong.

God is omnipotent and could use literally any physical process He wants to create, including macroevolution

if you deny this, you are denying that God is truly omnipotent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311193)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:31 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

but he said he did it this way. it's not about his capabilities, it's about how he said he did it. these are different.

he could have made everything out of a toenail should he have chosen to do so. but he did not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311213)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

so you believe God literally made woman out of Adam's rib? That's straight up fucking retarded. It's all a metaphor, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311238)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:36 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

you're making large leaps. yes, there is metaphor here, but to say he made man AS man, and the animal kingdom AS animal kingdom may seem retarded to you and there is not much i would do to convince you otherwise. i'm not here to convince you of anything. i was answering another poaster's questions. i just don't believe most of the evolution stuff. reads like fairy tales to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311283)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

answer my question above about Homo Erectus and dinosaurs

if they existed, which they factually did, why would God create them just to go extinct? If the Garden was perfect before man was around, how do you reconcile that with entire species going extinct (as like 99% of all species did)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311344)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i don't know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311370)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:48 PM
Author: cracking school sweet tailpipe

Have u ever tried gardening? A lot of stuff dies when ur new at it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311396)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:31 PM
Author: Lime hairraiser indirect expression psychic

You reject speciation in all instances?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311215)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:37 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i don't know enough to say tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311294)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: Lime hairraiser indirect expression psychic

Speciation is more or less another term for macroevolution.

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/04_00/island_mice.shtml

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311339)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: Bonkers rigor

take this i fucking love thience shit back to reddit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311343)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

btw you're not talking to a shithead atheist ITT.

I consider myself a Christian, PCA Presbyterian to be exact

The creation story of Genesis, like much of the Bible, is poetry not history and is meant to be interpreted as such

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311354)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

that's novelty. traditional christianity also viewed the genesis narrative as factual. but if you feel a need to make it conform to secular concepts of knowledge, please feel free to do so. i wasn't evangelizing my position. i was answering an OP w/r/t to another thread and you came in ranting and raving.

btw, that is not a very convincing rhetorical style.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311382)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:48 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

if you interpret it as "factual," you necessarily have to take the word "Day" and say that God created the Earth in 7 24-hour calendar days, which is complete nonsense (you said you're not a Young Earth creationist).

It's clearly poetry man, just like the Psalms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311397)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:50 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

why is my hermeneutical framework so important to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311411)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

because it irritates me when believers disregard basic science because they can't read the Bible properly

It gives a bad rap to all believers, enabling atheists to easily deconstruct and demolish important principles.

In other words, poor hermeneutics becomes the strawman for scientists to tear down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311464)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:02 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i can understand this, but your reading assumes that christ and paul couldn't read the bible properly. they both talk about noah as a historical figure. paul talks about adam and eve as historical figures. the early church fathers talk about not only adam as a historical figure, but eve as well.

so, yes, does that fly in the face of evolution? sure. but--speaking for myself--it doesn't effect me at all.

i think it's odd that a sola scriptura camp christian would be so rigid in imposing a singular reading of an obviously plain text.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311512)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:05 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

Re: Noah, I have no real problem with the Great Flood narrative. It's in Gilgamesh as well

Re: Adam and Eve, I believe that story in particular could refer to the first humans to become truly spiritual/conscious, which had to happen to literally one Homo Sapiens at some point. The "breath of Life," etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311538)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

eminently reasonable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311589)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:54 PM
Author: House-broken Forum Selfie

jesus christ autistic chad tp is the stick up your ass 15 or 16 inches long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311445)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 5:57 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

I've had to have this conversation with my dad one too many times. Grinds the hell out of my gears, but I have to be more respectful of him than I do an xo poaster, so when I have the opportunity to let loose, I can't help it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311477)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:00 PM
Author: House-broken Forum Selfie

guess what. nobody gives a fuck.

this isn't a lawman thread where he comes barging in looking for libs to argue with.

dude was asked for clarification on his opinion and gave it thoughtfully. probe him if you want but don't be a shithead faggot. don't assume he's interested in playing the other side of the insufferable battles you like to pick. makes you look 1000x times more boneheaded regardless of his thoughts on evolution tbh.

and for full disclosure i don't disagree with everything you say but you seem extremely dense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311502)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:02 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

I admit he's a good dood and I shouldn't be such a jerk

it's just literally my most fundamental and important theological position, other than the work of Christ himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311517)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:04 PM
Author: House-broken Forum Selfie

this isn't an excuse bro, nobody cares how strongly you feel. just put a sock in it or change how you discuss it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311530)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:06 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

dude, i've already let it go. i think that you're entitled your position and the weight of scientific evidence is on your side. but i would say, gracefully, we're called to a supernatural life and we don't need to understand everything in how it happened. it's all good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311546)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:02 PM
Author: Passionate center brethren

the nice thing is that I can think beckersted is batshit insane on this issue like my papist mother in law - but that doesn't matter because someone's feelings on evolution and religion are mostly meaningless to others.

As long we we believe in crushing the lib menace and making them cry tears of unfathomable sorrow, we are on the same team.

Contrast this with anyone trying to form a coalition on the left because he (understandably) thinks Trump is not a good president, but he also believes abortion is murder. BURN THE HERETIC!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311518)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:06 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

this is true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311550)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311554)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: crusty background story plaza

Isn't evolution a fairly important topic w/r/t education in our country? I feel like as a society we need to figure out if we're actually going to accept evolution as a fact and teach it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311557)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: Passionate center brethren

it's important if you are going into biological sciences. But as long as the nutjobs realize that they are not part of the mainstream understanding and don't get militant about it, then what is the harm if your accountant or lawyer does not believe that we descended from slugs in the primordial ooze?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311567)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: crusty background story plaza

I think our society benefits if we all have a greater understanding of STEM, no "I fucking love science"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311684)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

this is my issue with it as well, but I think the most important thing is to inculcate a feeling of sheer awe and wonder in the face of the entire universe, which I believe naturally leads someone to my end position if done properly (Design + evolution)

videos like this should be shown in class around the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwhQB3TKXA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311568)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:19 PM
Author: Green candlestick maker azn

brother, itt you're being no better than the atheist crowd

the problem with the atheist crowd isn't that they're athiest, when it comes down to it atheism isn't difficult to argue for and it's a fine position to hold intellectually. their problem is that they are incredibly obtuse and inflexible, unwilling to open themselves to any other ideas, and ultimately just as proselytizing as the mainstream religious crowd (probably moreso) while relying on i fucking love science-level intellectual standards and rhetoric.

you're performing the same shit here for a different side of the debate. 80% of what you said itt could have come straight from r/atheism, not only in content but style, which is their real problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311662)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i studied it and got A's in it. i did what i needed to do to do well in school. doesn't mean i have to believe it to do well at it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311585)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

It of course should be taught because it provides the best description of how we got to where we are biologically, and the fact that massive genome sequences of thousands of species in the last 20 years has only reinforced these ideas strongly lends support to that.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a much better framework in 200 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311590)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: smoky misanthropic generalized bond

This only matters in that it exposes AA even more. This is literally "WE WUZ KANGZ" on the opposite spectrum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311572)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:12 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

Another important question for beckersted that I will approach more respectfully: wtf is the point of the rest of the universe if God only created man on Earth? There are more stars in the universe than GRAINS of sand on Earth (see the Contact scene above). Obviously we can only see a tiny percentage of them in the night sky. Is the point then just to make man marvel at God's creation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311598)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:14 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i don't have an answer to that. i am as lost as most people on the why's or how's of things. maybe even moreso. what i do know--for myself--is that i don't need to know why the forest is there. i am happy and thankful it is there for me and my dotter to enjoy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311616)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

See, I think my position answers this question perfectly:

the same natural processes that govern biological evolution also govern the evolution of stars, planets, etc. Even if we are literally the only intelligent life in the universe, the entire thing had to be made this way in order for us to exist. Earth could not have been made without the numerous collisions of space debris, which could not have been made without the birth and death of countless stars, which could not have been made without the clouds of gas, which could not have been made without elementary particles, which could not have been made without the fundamental physical laws, etc.

In other words, God set it all up that way to evolve over billions of years to end up exactly the way it did: with a small mammalian species suddenly recognizing its own reflection in the water.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311691)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Cerebral Red Kitty Cat Travel Guidebook

ur falling into trap of anthropic principle. you are working backwards and saying it all had to be for you to pick up a spoon and shove it up your ass and cum bucketloats of hot jizz on the photo of your mom. if everything wasnt calibrated just right and forces in play to create evolution of the world to reach that point, it wouldnt happen. ergo, it had to be so? why does putting a spoon up your ass and jizzing on a photo of your moms tits so important an event...is it because your ego says it is literally eh most important thing to have ever happened in the universe? yes, thats just your jizz...ego talking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311956)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:07 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

The Anthropic Principle isn't a trap, it's correct. Every process I mentioned above is factual. We are only able to observe those processes because they happened. Of course, it's possible that we live in a multiverse and there are infinite universes in which humans don't exist and the fundamental physical laws are completely different, but in THIS universe, they are not. They are a certain way, and you can't deny that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311988)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:24 PM
Author: odious lake locale

Alright fuck it I'm abandoning evolution too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311696)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:28 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

In regards to your general feeling of wonderment, I encourage you to consider this classic position by Feynman about the knowledge of scientific processes actually increasing the feeling of awe, not diminishing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSG9q_YKZLI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311742)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: arousing set sneaky criminal

lol @ autistic chad's fucking love of science on display in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311604)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:17 PM
Author: smoky misanthropic generalized bond

"I believe in microevolution, but not macroevolution" is one of the stupidest things low-IQ people say, in the vein of "spiritual but not religious" and "socially liberal but fiscally conservative"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311642)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:18 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i own it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311653)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: smoky misanthropic generalized bond

Why not just say "I'm ignorant about the science, but it goes against my beliefs, so fuck libs" instead of blustering to stake out a middle ground with this "micro but not macro" shtick. The former can be excused, but the latter just exposes you as being low-IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311685)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:27 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

ok. i will do that then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311730)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:20 PM
Author: aquamarine associate sanctuary

To me its like someone saying they think the Earth is flat or only 6000 years old. A curious and somewhat puzzling belief in the face of overwhelming evidence but provided they keep it to themselves and don't want to impose it on children via the education system then its harmless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311669)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:21 PM
Author: Olive Address

why do people insist that random mutations have to be truly 100% random in order for it to truly count as evolution? i mean like if we find out that the correct interpretation of quantum mechanics is a deterministic one (e.g. Bohmian mechanics) are you going to complain that physics has undermined the theory of evolution by showing there is no true randomness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311679)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:40 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i ask this honestly:

how has evolution charged your/our lives? what major technological or medical breakthrough has it created that effects us on a day to day basis? maybe i can be convinced of it.

EDIT: what technology RELIES on evolution happening as believed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311818)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:44 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

Regardless of its functional utility, its most important effect on my life is what I mentioned above referring to your comment about the forest, just being there for you to enjoy. Everything I learn about the natural processes of the universe only increases my love for God. In fact, I believe it is not only our privilege, but our duty to investigate the nature of the universe as rigorously as possible, because it honors God by showing our respect and admiration for creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSG9q_YKZLI

why does an avenue of scientific investigation need to have functional utility? what utility is there, really, in studying the nature of black holes or quasars or whatever? Mostly, it's just because it's interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311845)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:47 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

but functional utility IS science, no? is evolutionary theory needed for any science at all? if one took out evolutionary theory from, say, medicine. does medicine fail? etc.

science is supposed to be reproduceable.

btw, i hear what your saying. i dig it. respect it. and understand it. but...if evolution has no functional utility...is it science? i'm asking because i legit don't know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311866)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

see my edit above about, e.g., astrophysics. No, not everything in science needs to have functional utility. The pursuit of science is fundamentally the pursuit of knowledge. That's it. That's what's most important.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311884)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 6:55 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

i'm not sure that astrophysics is completely an intellectual errand. also, many of their findings can be proven or disproven by experimentation. higgs boson at the LHC/neutrinos. we push the envelope of science to produce the machines that test the theories. i'm just...i don't think evolution falls into that category. astrophysics is reproduceable (btw, love astronomy etc).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311918)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:03 PM
Author: tan marketing idea corner

The LHC isn't astrophysics, but I understand what you're saying.

Evolution is impossible to reproduce because of the time involved. It takes millions and millions of years. It's more similar to studying the birth and death of stars, but of course we can reproduce studies on the latter because there are hundreds of billions of stars to observe. If we had the ability to study the evolution of life on hundreds of billions of other planets, we could reproduce studies and compare. Not only do we not have that ability technologically, but it's likely that life is exceptionally rare in the universe (though I'm in the camp that argues it's not confined to Earth because of the sheer numbers involved). In short, we can't "test" the theory, so all we can do is analyze all the biological history available to us (fossils, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311962)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:05 PM
Author: Canary yarmulke step-uncle's house

thanks for engaging. gotta split. will pick it up later. peace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311970)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: Grizzly cumskin

I guess it depends what you mean by breakthrough. Lots of pathogens evolve along with their hosts, and so understanding that is important from a public health angle.

Example: Schistosomes have obligate snail intermediate hosts and coevolve with them. Certain schistosomes can only infect certain species of snail. So when human activity changes the fish species that prey on the snail, that has disease implications.

Viruses develop drug resistances in predictable ways that inform treatment options.

And cancer biology is just evolution run amok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34312044)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: abnormal locus idea he suggested

whether or not evolution is a burning issue in modern society doesn't matter for your perspective

if you are willing to reject observed facts or well-tested hypotheses just because "it dont make good sense to me" this is a hallmark of stupidity, irrationality, poor education, etc and people are right to judge you as such

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34311974)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 11:52 PM
Author: Irradiated Lavender Area Macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34314639)



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Date: September 27th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: laughsome immigrant resort

who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3745857&forum_id=2#34314685)