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No Motivation

I used to have great work ethic but after getting screwed ov...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
Yeah. You are burnt out. The only cure is r&r and then s...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/15/17
Morita method = Pat Morita in "The Karate Kid" tea...
maize parlor
  10/15/17
Copy paste - ***** Developed by Japanese psychiatrist ...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/15/17
Wow, this is extremely credited. Thank you.
Mewling sexy hunting ground
  10/15/17
Ty
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
Happy to help. It is very hard to get useful advice regardin...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/15/17
*reads a little* Wow this looks great, thanks! *files away...
hyperventilating plum corn cake gay wizard
  10/18/17
Your thread reminded me of the song Staying Up. https://w...
claret thriller multi-billionaire associate
  10/15/17
...
Curious Locale
  10/15/17
Do you drink smoke or use drugs? Did any of the above chang...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
...
Curious Locale
  10/15/17
I have trouble with exercise because I used to be a successf...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
Quit what? Are you motivated now?
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
...
Curious Locale
  10/15/17
So now you still do not work? My goal was to make enough ...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
...
Curious Locale
  10/15/17
whatre you studying for?
Kink-friendly amethyst ticket booth
  10/15/17
Info tech management
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
From morita blurb: "If a person feels anxiety or has...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
Avoidance behavior begets deepening shame and panic begets a...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/15/17
Yup
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/16/17
Bizarre coincidence is that I was supposed to go to my cousi...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/16/17
cr
cocky stock car roast beef
  10/16/17
This is fascinating shit. It's like how I try to convince m...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/15/17
Get help. I mean this in the nice way not the you're crazy w...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/15/17
I'm seeing my psychiatrist today. I see him 1x/mo. He reco...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/16/17
sorry man. same boat. at least it seems you still have some ...
electric ocher keepsake machete patrolman
  10/15/17
How old ru?
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/16/17
Had a good productive day. Worked out some things with 2 of...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/17/17
Nice! Can be very hard to make contact when you are in a pit...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/17/17
Thanks appreciated. Nervous to see the last one cuz I misse...
Hideous Supple Shrine
  10/18/17
He could deliver a screed that nails your failings as a pers...
Silver center striped hyena
  10/18/17
...
Curious Locale
  10/17/17


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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:40 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

I used to have great work ethic but after getting screwed over again and again and again for many years I've lost the "fight" in me. I can barely bring myself to fulfill my responsibilities. I spend tons of time and energy ruminating over how badly I've been fucked over and if I could channel even 50% of that energy towards my studies I'd do great.

Has anyone here gotten over having burnt out by the fraudlies and flame and found a way to rekindle their drive to succeed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449730)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:43 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Yeah. You are burnt out. The only cure is r&r and then slowly reintroducing work in a way that makes it palatable. The issue is that you worked past the limit so much that you learned to associate work with pain - now, you shy away from it like a dog some asshole scientist repeatedly shocked.

You may want to look into the Morita method.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449743)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: maize parlor

Morita method = Pat Morita in "The Karate Kid" teaching Daniel San how to do wax on/wax off-type meditative exercises to detach his mind and learned experience from the physical sensation of performing basic labor and developing valuable muscle memories?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449776)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:52 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Copy paste -

*****

Developed by Japanese psychiatrist Shoma Morita in the early part of the twentieth century, Morita Therap was influenced by the psychological principles of Zen Buddhism. His method was initially developed as a treatment for a type of anxiety neurosis called shinkeishitsu.Over time the principles of his approach have been adapted to outpatient settings and expanded to address not only emotional well-being but to improve function in many aspects of day to day life.

TWO CONFLICTING AGENDAS

Morita proposed that human motivation was influenced by two opposing drives; a desire to live fully (self-actualize), and a desire to maintain security and comfort. He noted that these two drives were often in opposition. To the extent that a person pursues their most valued goals (relationships, education, parenting, career building, etc) they often experience discomfort and insecurity (anxiety, self-doubt, financial or personal risk, etc.). Morita observed that the more people attempt to avoid or suppress feelings of insecurity the more it disrupts their ability to function. Furthermore, their attention becomes increasingly fixated on erroneous efforts to escape unwanted feelings, resulting in the paradoxical effect of enhancing the frequency and intensity of the very experiences they are trying to avoid. Over time this results in increasing intolerance of unpleasant thoughts, feelings, and body sensations; an escalating mental obsession with and related enhancement of unwanted experience; and a decline in a person’s ability to take purposeful actions.

ARUGAMAMA

The goal of Morita Therapy is arugamama (acceptance of life as it is). Very often, humans experience dissatisfaction with life as it is in comparison to life as they can imagine it should be. We fall short of our own expectations, or feel frustrated with people who are not as patient, kind, or helpful as we believe they could be. Our mind has made a judgment; life is not the way that it should be. The natural result is that we strive to make life more closely match our ideal. This might seem to be a perfectly reasonable formula for improvement (notice what is wrong and make changes until it is right). There are however, some serious drawbacks to this approach. One problem is that as soon as we achieve a closer approximation to our ideas of perfection our mind is able to imagine how life could even be better. When we achieve that, the mind sets a new goal. The result is that we live in a kind of constant dissatisfaction with the present moment, comforted by the belief that once we fix what is wrong we will be satisfied. However when that “future” arrives it is just another dissatisfying present moment. In this way we live as if the present moment is a barrier to where we would rather be living. We may never really experience a deep satisfaction with the way things are in this moment, and the idealized future never arrives. Our life can become like the pursuit of an idealized mirage that grows ever more distant the more we pursue it. Another problem is that our mind is capable of imagining and wishing for things that have nothing to do with how life is. For example, people want to adopt lifestyles without experiencing the natural outcome of those lifestyles. People imagine that they can neglect and abuse their bodies and not experience negative effects to their health. People imagine that they can live fully and not experience the uncomfortable thoughts and feelings that are naturally a part of that kind of life. Morita described this as a kind of “contradictoriness of thinking”.

THE NATURALNESS OF FEELING BAD

It is a common assumption that the problem at the core of emotional distress is the presence of certain thoughts and feelings. Naturally the solution to "feeling bad" must have something to do with altering these problematic thoughts and feelings. Morita observed that even very unpleasant or irrational thoughts and feelings are quite common. He suggested that people naturally experience distressing feelings like anxiety, depression, and inadequacy. We all think irrationally on a regular basis and frequently employ so called “cognitive errors”. He suggested that unpleasant feelings or irrational thoughts were not the hallmark of abnormal psychology. Instead it was people’s attempt to suppress or avoid such experiences which lead to problematic behavior. If a person feels anxiety or has some catastrophic thoughts on the day of their wedding this would not be unusual. However, if a person does not go to their wedding in order to avoid these thoughts and feelings this is problematic. The behavior is a problem, the thoughts and feelings are natural. It is a person's response and relationship to thoughts and feelings that is at the core of the problem, not the thoughts and feelings.

THE UNCONTROLLABILITY OF INTERNAL EXPERIENCE

Central to Morita’s theory is the observation that thoughts, feelings, and body sensations are uncontrollable through an act of will. Furthermore, that efforts employed to avoid or suppress unwanted internal experiences often have a paradoxical effect in the long run, increasing both the intensity and frequency of the unwanted experience. It is like trying to eliminate thoughts of a yellow crayon. Efforts often lead to more thoughts and associations related to yellow crayons. Even if a person is able, through some distraction technique, to avoid all "yellow crayon" thoughts, the effort required is not a sustainable solution, and short-term avoidance is typically followed by a surge of related thoughts once the suppression technique is stopped.

“Trying to control the emotional self willfully by manipulative attempts is like trying to choose a number on a thrown die or to push back the water of the Kamo River upstream. Certainly, they end up aggravating their agony and feeling unbearable pain because of their failure in manipulating the emotions.”

Shoma Morita, M.D.

ACTIONS ARE CONTROLLABLE

Morita notes that actions, unlike internal experience, are controllable. It is possible to act independently of or even in opposition to our thoughts and feelings. Most people can readily identify a number of examples to illustrate this concept. We wash dishes and do yard work that we don’t feel like doing. We speak in public and take tests even when filled with self-doubt. We are able to dive off of a high-dive or jump from an airplane without first eliminating feelings of anxiety.

Once we learn to accept our feelings we find that we can take action without changing our feeling state. Often, the action-taking leads to a change in feelings. For example, it is common to develop confidence after one has repeatedly done something with some success.

SELF-CENTERED ATTENTION AND SUFFERING

If we observe our experience, we find that we have a flow of awareness which changes from moment to moment. When we become overly preoccupied with ourselves, our attention no longer flows freely, but becomes fixated on a self-centered focus. The more we pay attention to our symptoms (our anxiety, for example) the more we become trapped. When our attention is absorbed by what we are doing, we may not notice uncomfortable or painful feelings. However, when we try to “understand” or “fix” or “work through” feelings and issues, our self-focus is heightened and exercised. This often leads to more suffering rather than relief. How can we be released from such self-focused attention?

“The answer lies in practicing and mastering an attitude of being in touch with the outside world. This is called a reality-oriented attitude, which means, in short, liberation from self-centeredness.”

Takahisa Kora, M.D.

The successful student of Morita therapy learns to be aware of and accept the moment to moment fluctuations of thoughts and feelings without unnecessary struggle or resistance. He/she learns to ground behavior in reality and takes constructive actions that meet the needs of the situation. Cure is not defined by the alleviation of discomfort or the attainment of some ideal feeling state (which is impossible) but by purpose directed actions which helps one to live a full and meaningful existence rather than to be ruled by thoughts and feelings.

The methods used by Morita therapists vary. In the traditional inpatient approach there is a period of isolated bed rest before the patient is exposed to counseling, instruction and occupational therapy. Increasingly, Morita principles are being applied in outpatient settings. In the U.S., inpatient Morita therapy is generally unavailable, and most practitioners favor a counseling or educational approach, the emphasis of which is on developing healthy living skills, learning to work with our attention, and taking steps to accomplish tasks and goals. For this reason, Morita therapy is sometimes referred to as the psychology of action.

“In general, the stronger we desire something, the more we want to succeed, and the greater our anxiety about failure. Our worries and fears are reminders of the strength of our positive desires....Our anxieties are indispensable in spite of the discomfort that accompanies them. To try to do away with them would be foolish. Morita therapy is not really a psychotherapeutic method for getting rid of “symptoms”. It is more an educational method for outgrowing our self-imposed limitations. Through Moritist methods we learn to accept the naturalness of ourselves.”

David Reynolds, Ph.D.

http://www.moritaschool.com/read-me/

******, **

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449787)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: Mewling sexy hunting ground

Wow, this is extremely credited. Thank you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449877)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:10 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449895)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Happy to help. It is very hard to get useful advice regarding how to deal with burnout, even though it is increasingly prevalent. Most docs will just conflate it with depression and push SSRIs - useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449914)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:03 PM
Author: hyperventilating plum corn cake gay wizard

*reads a little*

Wow this looks great, thanks!

*files away, obviously never reads b/c no motivation*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34472738)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:44 PM
Author: claret thriller multi-billionaire associate

Your thread reminded me of the song Staying Up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCaRFVlARl0



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449751)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 6:45 PM
Author: Curious Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449756)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:00 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Do you drink smoke or use drugs? Did any of the above change?

Do you exercise? Did your exercise levels change?

Something that discourages me is back when I had my drive I was able to use drugs and still be productive whereas now I'm sober and unproductive and I feel "cheated" by sobriety somewhat in that enhanced motivation is supposed to be one of sobriety's benefits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449835)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Curious Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449843)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

I have trouble with exercise because I used to be a successful athlete and had a career ending injury and even though I can now do mild-moderate exercise safely it takes me back to a place I used to be and feeling so limited is really tough to cope with. It reminds me of what I have lost and will never get back. Not even just exercise: walking stairs, opening sliding glass doors, certain sex positions/acts, or seeing other people perform athletic feats. On top of mental turmoil I can feel genuine physical pain just watching others be active as if I sustained another physical injury.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450050)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Quit what?

Are you motivated now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449837)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:02 PM
Author: Curious Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449847)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:26 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

So now you still do not work?

My goal was to make enough money by early 30s to not "have" to work and recognizing that that isn't my reality is really hard for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449990)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:27 PM
Author: Curious Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34449998)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:28 PM
Author: Kink-friendly amethyst ticket booth

whatre you studying for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450006)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Info tech management

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450053)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 8:12 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

From morita blurb:

"If a person feels anxiety or has some catastrophic thoughts on the day of their wedding this would not be unusual. However, if a person does not go to their wedding in order to avoid these thoughts and feelings this is problematic. The behavior is a problem, the thoughts and feelings are natural. It is a person's response and relationship to thoughts and feelings that is at the core of the problem, not the thoughts and feelings."

I've definitely crossed this threshold.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450315)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 8:17 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Avoidance behavior begets deepening shame and panic begets avoidance behavior....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450347)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 11:41 AM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Yup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34454574)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 11:45 AM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Bizarre coincidence is that I was supposed to go to my cousin's wedding on Saturday but I was so freaked out about having to see my parents that I just sat in my car for hours and only went after receiving angry messages from my mother telling me that my dad was going to raise hell if I didn't get there soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34454605)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 1:03 PM
Author: cocky stock car roast beef

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34455148)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 8:37 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

This is fascinating shit. It's like how I try to convince myself not to think about x y and z and all i end up doing is ruminating about x y and z. Not sure there's really a way out tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450533)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 8:42 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Get help. I mean this in the nice way not the you're crazy way. You don't have to do it all alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450576)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 11:41 AM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

I'm seeing my psychiatrist today. I see him 1x/mo. He recommends I see a therapist weekly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34454573)



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Date: October 15th, 2017 8:44 PM
Author: electric ocher keepsake machete patrolman

sorry man. same boat. at least it seems you still have some youth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34450599)



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Date: October 16th, 2017 12:29 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

How old ru?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34454865)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Had a good productive day. Worked out some things with 2 of my 3 professors. See the third tomorrow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34465284)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 6:31 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

Nice! Can be very hard to make contact when you are in a pit of shame and despair. Keep it up!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34465455)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Hideous Supple Shrine

Thanks appreciated. Nervous to see the last one cuz I missed an exam. Worst case I suppose is I withdraw from that one course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34471031)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: Silver center striped hyena

He could deliver a screed that nails your failings as a person so perfectly your heart gives out on the spot. Unlikely, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34471171)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 6:32 PM
Author: Curious Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3765078&forum_id=2#34465460)