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If Democrats go after Free Speech, they are Truly Done

I don't care how awful, horrible, abjectly degenerate or ter...
Pale big-titted garrison shitlib
  10/18/17
"Free Speech has NO exceptions" *shouts fire in...
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
What if there's a fire?
Orchid Contagious Whorehouse
  10/18/17
jfc die
hyperactive cerebral dysfunction set
  10/18/17
Oh shit never thought of that
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
such anathema
Turquoise alcoholic piazza french chef
  10/18/17
Thats where youre wrong. China is a great example of how lim...
ungodly temple
  10/18/17
they have an entirely different set of issues than we do.
Apoplectic Costumed Library
  10/18/17
(literally CNN article from yesterday)
Navy crackhouse death wish
  10/18/17
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Glassy nighttime sound barrier
  10/18/17
*vomits*
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
yep, america sucks and we should try to be more like china
magenta irradiated home
  10/18/17
Wtf China is awful largely because of that
gay wonderful background story
  10/18/17
that's where your wrong
ungodly temple
  10/18/17
After our Cultural Revolution, we will emerge a stronger nat...
Fighting stage idiot
  10/18/17
Freedom to say whatever you want sure Freedom of "e...
Bossy histrionic kitty cat corner
  10/18/17
The only threats to free speech I see are from the right, ca...
Electric boistinker idea he suggested
  10/18/17
that's because you're an unmitigated retard and literally no...
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Fighting stage idiot
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Outnumbered Exciting Field
  10/18/17
Truly, a devastating series of bumps
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Aromatic bawdyhouse telephone
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Concupiscible balding hominid
  10/19/17
i like you but you're very wrong on this. the only person o...
Gaped Ebony Step-uncle's House
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trip puppy
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pink area
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Outnumbered Exciting Field
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Fighting stage idiot
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vengeful sienna school cafeteria
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Startling Range Prole
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Outnumbered Exciting Field
  10/18/17
Then you are a moron
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
you're also wrong about pretty much everything all the time
magenta irradiated home
  10/18/17
Yeah, I don't dislike you, and would even be ok sticking my ...
Glittery idiotic kitchen
  10/18/17
you can't be serious here - libs literally have an entire na...
Slap-happy slippery base codepig
  10/18/17
Um...antifa does not stand for "anti first amendment.&q...
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
It does now!
Sadistic provocative headpube stag film
  10/18/17
yeah, it does. if it didn't, then why is it so appropriate?
Slap-happy slippery base codepig
  10/18/17
yfwgi
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
they literally don't believe in the principles behind first ...
Slap-happy slippery base codepig
  10/18/17
they have been after it for a long time
olive hall
  10/18/17
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trip puppy
  10/18/17
Trump is the one threatening the free press.
Silver indecent gas station
  10/18/17
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trip puppy
  10/18/17
Most of what he's doing is criticizing (legitimately, in man...
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
Mostly agree. Leftist SJWs are certainly a threat to fr...
Silver indecent gas station
  10/18/17
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pink area
  10/18/17
No he isn't. The press currently is not free. It is becomi...
gay wonderful background story
  10/18/17
If? Where have you been? The liberals have already gone a...
coiffed community account
  10/18/17
Hate speech is not free speech!
shimmering skinny woman nowag
  10/18/17
Cr. "If"?
charcoal generalized bond lodge
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Outnumbered Exciting Field
  10/18/17
What % of Trump supporters would support a ban against anthe...
Silver indecent gas station
  10/18/17
They wouldn't. They are annoyed that people are disrespectin...
Pale big-titted garrison shitlib
  10/18/17
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Navy crackhouse death wish
  10/18/17
This guy isn't a moron, he's just being disingenuous. Shi...
coiffed community account
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trip puppy
  10/18/17
You're assuming that anyone who doesn't like Trump is a blee...
Silver indecent gas station
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trip puppy
  10/18/17
I called you in particular a shitlib, and I think I'm right....
coiffed community account
  10/18/17
It wouldn't surprise me to find that a significant portion o...
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
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trip puppy
  10/18/17
(totally sane, totally hinged poaster)
big multi-billionaire love of her life
  10/18/17
not that i'm a nazi supporter, but interacting with shitlibs...
Gaped Ebony Step-uncle's House
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trip puppy
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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:16 AM
Author: Pale big-titted garrison shitlib

I don't care how awful, horrible, abjectly degenerate or terrible the speech is. If you shut speech down, you're on the losing side.

Free Speech has NO exceptions.

If you disagree or something someone says is anathema to all that is good in the world, refute it on a factual basis.

You can't just shut down what you don't like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470033)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

"Free Speech has NO exceptions"

*shouts fire in crowded theater*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470629)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:05 PM
Author: Orchid Contagious Whorehouse

What if there's a fire?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472751)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:08 PM
Author: hyperactive cerebral dysfunction set

jfc die

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472784)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

Oh shit never thought of that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472933)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic piazza french chef

such anathema

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470633)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: ungodly temple

Thats where youre wrong. China is a great example of how limits on free speech are making them a stronger nation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470061)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Apoplectic Costumed Library

they have an entirely different set of issues than we do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470067)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:58 AM
Author: Navy crackhouse death wish

(literally CNN article from yesterday)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470441)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: Glassy nighttime sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470446)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

*vomits*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470630)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: magenta irradiated home

yep, america sucks and we should try to be more like china

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471239)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: gay wonderful background story

Wtf China is awful largely because of that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471447)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: ungodly temple

that's where your wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471454)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:37 PM
Author: Fighting stage idiot

After our Cultural Revolution, we will emerge a stronger nation too!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472521)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 11:22 AM
Author: Bossy histrionic kitty cat corner

Freedom to say whatever you want sure

Freedom of "expression" no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470085)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:00 PM
Author: Electric boistinker idea he suggested

The only threats to free speech I see are from the right, calling the media the enemy of the state" and wanting to revoke FCC licenses, or beat up journalists with impunity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470457)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: Territorial Garnet Filthpig Brunch

that's because you're an unmitigated retard and literally not one single person reading this site takes you seriously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470468)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:07 PM
Author: Beta comical dog poop juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470558)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470616)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: Blue school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471226)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Sadistic provocative headpube stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471228)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: Zippy flickering boiling water potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471240)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: gay wonderful background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471452)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: yellow bipolar heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471485)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:41 PM
Author: coiffed community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472016)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: Fighting stage idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472529)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: Fragrant up-to-no-good newt pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472568)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: Outnumbered Exciting Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472578)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: Fighting stage idiot

Truly, a devastating series of bumps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472650)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:56 PM
Author: Aromatic bawdyhouse telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472694)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: vengeful sienna school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472937)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 7:27 PM
Author: Smoky Famous Landscape Painting Center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34474269)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: Concupiscible balding hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34478328)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: Gaped Ebony Step-uncle's House

i like you but you're very wrong on this. the only person on the "right" calling for this is Donald Trump. Most people on the right don't like Donald Trump, and most of even Donald Trump supporters wouldn't support those policies.

Even Donald Trump doesn't actually support those policies. They are a way to signal combativeness and generate political drama.

In contrast, a lot of people on the left, especially in universities, actually do want to censor unpopular speech. And they have. Repeatedly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470546)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470624)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:33 PM
Author: pink area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472475)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: Outnumbered Exciting Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472585)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: Fighting stage idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472645)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:28 PM
Author: vengeful sienna school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472938)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:25 PM
Author: Startling Range Prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470740)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: Outnumbered Exciting Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472582)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

Then you are a moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470634)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: magenta irradiated home

you're also wrong about pretty much everything all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471232)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: Glittery idiotic kitchen

Yeah, I don't dislike you, and would even be ok sticking my cock in your ass, but as others have said, you're wrong on this. Would be happy to go into more detail with you over a table or something, lmk how your schedule looks for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472528)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: Slap-happy slippery base codepig

you can't be serious here - libs literally have an entire nationwide group called 'anti-first amendment' ("antifa") which does nothing BUT attack people and rallies on the basis of their opposition to free speech. conservatives have NOTHING like that in america.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472555)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:42 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

Um...antifa does not stand for "anti first amendment."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472559)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:42 PM
Author: Sadistic provocative headpube stag film

It does now!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472567)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: Slap-happy slippery base codepig

yeah, it does. if it didn't, then why is it so appropriate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472577)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

yfwgi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472586)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: Slap-happy slippery base codepig

they literally don't believe in the principles behind first amendment freedom of assembly or speech.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472612)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:09 PM
Author: olive hall

they have been after it for a long time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470576)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470614)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: Silver indecent gas station

Trump is the one threatening the free press.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470626)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470635)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

Most of what he's doing is criticizing (legitimately, in many casese) the press. You're right, though, that threatening to go after licenses based on the content of coverage is bullshit.

But that doesn't absolve Democrats/leftists/progressives from their anti-free-speech policies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470653)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:14 PM
Author: Silver indecent gas station

Mostly agree.

Leftist SJWs are certainly a threat to free speech too but IMO Trump is a bigger one at the moment given the power he had and the threats he's made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471201)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:33 PM
Author: pink area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472483)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:47 PM
Author: gay wonderful background story

No he isn't. The press currently is not free. It is becoming more free. And the media powers are in the fight of their lives to suppress the growth of free press.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471463)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: coiffed community account

If? Where have you been?

The liberals have already gone after free speech. Between street violence against conservative speakers, to ruthless censorship of conservative views on basically every tech platform.

The last step is to introduce hate speech laws. The Dems have been conditioning their base to accept this for years. If they can stack SCOTUS they'll get their wish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470652)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: shimmering skinny woman nowag

Hate speech is not free speech!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34470685)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: charcoal generalized bond lodge

Cr. "If"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472575)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: Outnumbered Exciting Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472613)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Silver indecent gas station

What % of Trump supporters would support a ban against anthem kneeling? Most on XO wouldn't, but I'd bet a significant portion of Trump's base would.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471449)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: Pale big-titted garrison shitlib

They wouldn't. They are annoyed that people are disrespecting the flag, particularly players protesting "injustice" who make tens of millions of dollars annually. No one is calling for it to be banned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34471484)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:40 PM
Author: Navy crackhouse death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472010)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:44 PM
Author: coiffed community account

This guy isn't a moron, he's just being disingenuous.

Shitlibs do this as a deflection from their blatant hypocrisy when it comes to shutting down speech they don't like.

When they don't like the speech, they happily scream: "Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the CONSEQUENCES of that speech!"

But when they do like it, they create deflections and scarecrows like the one this guy just poasted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472041)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:37 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472514)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: Silver indecent gas station

You're assuming that anyone who doesn't like Trump is a bleeding heart far left SJW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472661)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472707)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: coiffed community account

I called you in particular a shitlib, and I think I'm right.

More importantly, you failed to address your hypocrisy that I noted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472715)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

It wouldn't surprise me to find that a significant portion of conservatives/Republicans (and maybe even moderates) would support a ban on various ways of "disrespecting" the anthem, just as lots of people (including Hillary Clinton at one point) would support a ban on flag burning, and just like a significant percentage of liberals/progressives/Democrats (and some moderates) would support a ban on "hate speech."

But with few exceptions, conservative leaders/pundits/academics/politicians don't push for that kind of thing. That stands in contrast to liberal leaders/pundits/academics/politicians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472556)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472642)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: big multi-billionaire love of her life

(totally sane, totally hinged poaster)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472649)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: Gaped Ebony Step-uncle's House

not that i'm a nazi supporter, but interacting with shitlibs does get you thinking along the lines of, hey maybe the germans would have been totally horrified at the prospect of gassing jews too, but after years of putting up with leftist crap, maybe they just snapped and were like, fuck it.

of course it's still horrible and not justified at all, but maybe it didn't totally come out of nowhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472891)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: trip puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3767577&forum_id=2#34472921)