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4th Circuit: WWI Memorial Must Be Torn Down Bc in Shape of Cross

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Wonderful old irish cottage
  10/19/17
TBF, the collaboration between churches and governments in c...
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  10/19/17
But guys, why can't you engage with what libs ACTUALLY belie...
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  10/19/17
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At oral argument last December, Thacker and Wynn suggested t...
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Cr. And their graves are marked with non-religious obelisks...
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Under this precedent, is the very word "Maryland" ...
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pretty sure Maryland was named after Queen Mary.
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Ok, then Virginia
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Elizabeth I, the "Virgin Queen"
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is that so? maryland was the only real catholic colony and s...
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Jones Day is actually fighting the good fight? Wow.
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JD's rep is more conservative than most firms
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"President Trump recently claimed that a federal court ...
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hahaha, thank you
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Pretty realistic
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lib here, this is fucktarded
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Well, this is the world that you want, what's the problem?
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hilarious
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(This is what libs think.)
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It's a giant cross. This shouldn't really be a huge surpris...
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(cuck)
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San Diego tried that with the Mt Soledad cross - sold the 3'...
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Lib here, this is fucking stupid
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Jews.
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How is this different than Muslims destroying historical sta...
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hint: it isn’t
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Titcr. In both cases men in robes claiming superiority and p...
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So I guess I didn't understand. The cross will remain unalte...
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That is as yet undetermined.
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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/18/federal-court-rules-world-war-memorial-cross-must-be-torn-down.html

On Wednesday, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed and ruled the historic memorial must be torn down -- all because the Bladensburg Memorial is in the shape of a cross.

The Fourth Circuit said the memorial excessively entangles the government in religion because the cross is the “core symbol of Christianity” and “breaches” the wall separating church and state.

Writing separately, Chief Judge Gregory wrote, “This Memorial stands in witness to the VALOR, ENDURANCE, COURAGE, and DEVOTION of the forty-nine residents of Prince George’s County, Maryland ‘who lost their lives in the Great War for the liberty of the world.’ I cannot agree that a monument so conceived and dedicated and that bears such witness violates the letter or spirit of the very Constitution these heroes died to defend.”

The American Legion could appeal directly to the Supreme Court.

"Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America," First Liberty Institute attorney Hiram Sasser said.

First Liberty Institute and the Jones Day law firm are representing the American Legion in their fight.

“This memorial has stood in honor of local veterans for almost 100 years and is lawful under the First Amendment,” Jones Day attorney Michael Carvin said. “To remove it would be a tremendous dishonor to the local men who gave their lives during The Great War.”

I warned Americans in my new book, “The Deplorables’ Guide to Making America Great Again,” that the war against religious liberty and traditional American values is far from over.

A militant group of atheists, agnostics and free-thinkers want to eradicate Christianity in the public marketplace. The only way to stop this evil scourge is for people of faith to stand together and fight back in the courts.

WTF libs explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478012)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:46 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping

TBF, the collaboration between churches and governments in creating the utter disaster of WWI is a major (if not the major) cause of disillusion with nationalist states and the bedrock of modern liberalism in general.

However, FUCKLIBS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478039)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: poppy dilemma

But guys, why can't you engage with what libs ACTUALLY believe?!?!?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478046)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: pale adulterous national laser beams

This can’t be real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478047)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/towering-cross-shaped-monument-on-public-land-is-unconstitutional-court-rules/2017/10/18/b26e4afe-5b47-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html?utm_term=.f62d8bb17ec7

A federal appeals court on Wednesday declared unconstitutional a towering cross-shaped monument that has marked a major intersection in Prince George’s County for 90 years.

In a 2-1 ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit said the 40-foot-tall memorial maintained with thousands of dollars in public funds “has the primary effect of endorsing religion and excessively entangles the government in religion.”

The ruling by the three-judge panel does not mean the monument must be immediately removed from public land.

Supporters of the memorial, known as the Peace Cross, said the decision sets a “dangerous precedent” and vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court.

The question for the 4th Circuit was whether the cross — which stands at Maryland Route 450 and U.S. Route 1 in Bladensburg — is a memorial to local men lost in World War I or an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion that should be removed from public land.

Built in 1925 with funding from local families and The American Legion, the marble-and-cement cross honors 49 Prince George’s County men who died in the war. On the base are the words: valor, endurance, courage and devotion. A bronze tablet lists the names of the men and includes a quote from President Woodrow Wilson. The monument is part of a larger memorial park in the immediate area honoring veterans of several wars.

Even with the nonreligious elements, the court said Wednesday, “the sectarian elements easily overwhelm the secular ones,” making it an unconstitutional violation of the First Amendment that prevents the government from favoring a particular religion.

“The cross is by far the most prominent monument in the area, conspicuously displayed at a busy intersection,” wrote Judge Stephanie D. Thacker, who was joined by Judge James A. Wynn, Jr. in the opinion Wednesday by the appeals court located in Richmond.

Chief Judge Roger L. Gregory dissented, writing the First Amendment does not require the government to “‘purge from the public sphere any reference to religion.’”

The ruling comes as public displays of religion have been challenged in courts throughout the country. The Supreme Court has not given clear guidance, allowing some monuments with religious content to stand while rejecting others on public sites.

The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission, a state agency, owns the land and monument, and has spent about $117,000 to maintain and repair the cross, in addition to setting aside $100,000 for renovations.

Gregory wrote the majority “ignores certain elements of the memorial . . . and confuses maintenance of a highway median and monument in a state park with excessive religious entanglement.”

In his dissent, Gregory said it was significant that the monument had been public property for 50 years without a constitutional challenge.

Thacker disputed the importance of the lengthy period of time: “Perhaps the longer a violation persists, the greater the affront to those offended.”

In closing, Gregory quoted the words on the memorial honoring the veterans: “I cannot agree that a monument so conceived and dedicated and that bears such witness violates the letter or spirit of the very Constitution these heroes died to defend.”

[Read the full 4th Circuit opinion here]

Kelly Shackelford, president of First Liberty Institute, a nonprofit that helped The American Legion defend the cross, called the court’s decision an “outrageous ruling that sets a dangerous precedent and threatens the removal of memorials across the country.”

Shackelford said the religious-freedom organization would take the case to the Supreme Court. “We’re certainly not going to stop here,” he said. “If this is the law, everything else is in danger.”

In response to concerns about the impact on other memorials, the 4th Circuit opinion noted, for instance, the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery are smaller and displayed among religious symbols of many religions both on headstones and monuments. The ruling includes a photo of headstones from the cemetery.

The initial challenge in Maryland was brought by the American Humanist Association, a Washington-based group that represents atheists and others. The group did not dispute the monument is a memorial, but said in court that a giant cross on government property sends a message of exclusion in violation of the First Amendment.

A District Court judge in 2015 declined to order the cross removed from public land, saying it is a historically significant secular war memorial and that the government agency had a nonreligious reason for maintaining it.

[Judge: Forty-foot cross is not a government endorsement of religion]

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In response to the 4th Circuit ruling on Wednesday, the humanist association’s executive director, Roy Speckhardt said, “government war memorials should respect all veterans, not just those from one religious group.”

If the Supreme Court does not agree to take up the Prince George’s case, the ruling would stand and a District Court judge would have to decide whether to order the removal of the cross.

At oral argument last December, Thacker and Wynn suggested the legal issues could be resolved outside of court by moving the site of the cross — or by cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

Park and Planning Commission officials remain convinced the memorial is legal and have not “engaged in any serious consideration” of the idea of transferring the land to a private organization, according to Adrian R. Gardner, the agency’s general counsel.

The commissioners, Gardner said in an email Wednesday, will determine “how best to advance the community’s interest in light of the ruling.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478064)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: pale adulterous national laser beams

this makes me want to punch things

imagine you are a relative of one of the fallen honored here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478089)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: poppy dilemma

At oral argument last December, Thacker and Wynn suggested the legal issues could be resolved outside of court by moving the site of the cross — or by cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478096)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:56 AM
Author: pale adulterous national laser beams

I’m punching the next shitlib I see

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478103)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:42 AM
Author: Buff hall cuckold



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:59 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:40 AM
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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:41 AM
Author: marvelous transparent nursing home coldplay fan

please be flame

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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:43 AM
Author: high-end aromatic gay wizard abode



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:46 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping

Imagine the world we would be living in if HRC had won

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478454)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: 180 Rusted Range Mediation

Cutting off appendages is libs' answer to a lot of things these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478487)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: cobalt messiness area



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:54 AM
Author: thriller pistol toilet seat



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: razzmatazz carnelian persian parlour

thank god we have empathetic liberals who focus on the important stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478098)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:33 PM
Author: Amber stimulating jew locale



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:56 AM
Author: Rose church building

libs won't stop till the last white person is dead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478099)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:25 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

Cr. And their graves are marked with non-religious obelisks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486115)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:22 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat

Under this precedent, is the very word "Maryland" a violation of the 1st Amendment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478275)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:45 AM
Author: dashing awkward sneaky criminal gas station

san diego, san francisco, los angeles conducting anticipatory "what should our new name be" surveys, in stunning coincidence, results indicate that all three will henceforth be known as "city mccityface" hehehehe rofl

FTGE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478446)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:48 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: amethyst irradiated forum

You're not being intersectional enough. If the name is Spanish, it's ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478621)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:54 PM
Author: Green boiling water

ciudad de los mccityface

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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:29 AM
Author: trip potus piazza



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: chestnut mind-boggling institution



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: amethyst irradiated forum

pretty sure Maryland was named after Queen Mary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478613)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:43 AM
Author: Federal theatre

Ok, then Virginia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478875)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: stirring citrine rigpig jewess

Elizabeth I, the "Virgin Queen"

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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: Lime exciting resort pervert

is that so? maryland was the only real catholic colony and so i always assumed it was religious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479272)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:59 PM
Author: talented beta philosopher-king

yeah, but who do you think she was named after

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479414)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:09 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat

Maryland was founded as an explicitly Catholic colony and its first capital was called St. Mary's City. Maybe the cover was that it was named after Queen Mary but come on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486028)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:25 AM
Author: spectacular plaza trust fund

looking forward to the "Alito, J." pwnage forthcoming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478303)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: chestnut mind-boggling institution



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:33 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:27 AM
Author: Dead dull ceo

Jones Day is actually fighting the good fight? Wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478318)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: Geriatric Mad-dog Skullcap

JD's rep is more conservative than most firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478472)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: pale adulterous national laser beams

180 Cleveland

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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:40 AM
Author: seedy snowy casino

At oral argument last December, Thacker and Wynn suggested the legal issues could be resolved outside of court by moving the site of the cross — or by cutting off the arms of the cross to form an obelisk.

LMFAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478406)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: milky contagious box office private investor

you're all gonna die libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478578)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping

I hope Trump takes the opportunity to involve himself in this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478585)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: poppy dilemma

"President Trump recently claimed that a federal court ordered a cross-shaped war memorial be torn down. We rate this claim as MOSTLY FALSE, because the court order could also be satisfied by relocating the memorial or modifying it to resemble an obelisk."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478620)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping

hahaha, thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478645)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Onyx low-t temple weed whacker

Pretty realistic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479047)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: alcoholic gunner keepsake machete

JD Michael Carvin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478733)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:25 AM
Author: odious slippery famous landscape painting

lib here, this is fucktarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478752)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:26 AM
Author: Vibrant light gaping

Well, this is the world that you want, what's the problem?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478761)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: odious slippery famous landscape painting

hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478794)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: alcoholic gunner keepsake machete

(This is what libs think.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478837)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: Fragrant Boistinker Jap

It's a giant cross. This shouldn't really be a huge surprise.

Ideally the American Legion or other private groups can take over maintenance or something to avoid "government entanglement."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478783)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: slate reading party

Yeah, it's a very click-baity case because it sucks to deny state funding for such a nice monument. But it's hard to argue that it doesn't run afoul of current 1st amendment case law. There had been discussion years ago of transferring the land beneath the cross to a private secular charity (military vets charity of some kind) and then having the local gov give a grant to the charity without specifying what monuments the grant would be used on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478829)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:22 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat

"But it's hard to argue that it doesn't run afoul of current 1st amendment case law. "

but it's very easy to argue that current 1st amendment case law is absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486100)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:43 AM
Author: chestnut mind-boggling institution

(cuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478872)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Green boiling water

San Diego tried that with the Mt Soledad cross - sold the 3'x3' chunk of land the cross sat on to the war memorial association. It resulted in ten more years of litigation over the sale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479392)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: Drab orchestra pit

why do these atheist melvins hate everything so much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478880)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:45 AM
Author: Floppy peach electric furnace

Lib here, this is fucking stupid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478886)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:47 AM
Author: Confused mustard nowag

Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478895)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Drab orchestra pit

"Speckhardt earned a Bachelor of Arts in sociology from Mary Washington College and a Master of Business Administration, with a concentration in information systems management, from George Mason University. In addition to his college education, he received specialized training in nonprofit tax law, financial management, grassroots organizing, fundraising, and dispute resolution.[where?]

Early in his career, Speckhardt was a fundraiser for various causes, including AIDS research and wildlife conservation, and worked on the "World Difference Campaign" of the Anti-Defamation League."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478917)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:48 AM
Author: laughsome stead depressive

The LEMON TEST is not even mentioned in the article. This is decidedly unscholarly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478908)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: milky contagious box office private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479393)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Navy station

How is this different than Muslims destroying historical statues of Buddha?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478920)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:51 AM
Author: pale adulterous national laser beams

hint: it isn’t

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478924)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: Navy station

Titcr. In both cases men in robes claiming superiority and power order the destruction of stone monuments that were erected in good faith by prior generations to celebrate something that was thought to be beneficial to the human spirit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478945)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:05 PM
Author: Fragrant Boistinker Jap

(a) Because nothing has been destroyed

(b) Because nobody is suggesting that all crosses need to be destroyed

(c) Because the government is not endorsing any particular religion as the basis for "destroying" any other religious monuments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479011)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:08 PM
Author: Navy station

So I guess I didn't understand. The cross will remain unaltered. That is good to know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479025)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:10 PM
Author: Fragrant Boistinker Jap

That is as yet undetermined.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479035)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: Navy station

Granted. But if the current ruling takes effect, how is that different than the Buddhas?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479052)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:26 PM
Author: Fragrant Boistinker Jap

Well, for the reasons I stated.

Do you think the Taliban told people "Hey, if you could just move your Buddha off of this government property or stop using government funds to maintain it, that would be great. We don't have any problem with that Buddha on your own property/dime."

Is this low IQ schtick you're running?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479138)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:32 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

Do you think the people who filed this lawsuit will be chill with offensive giant crosses on private property after they win their lawsuits on their presence on government property? That all these people will say "welp, guess we won. Time to find another purpose for my life."?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486157)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:37 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486192)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:48 AM
Author: Walnut Site

Are you suggesting these people will trespass and vandalize a war memorial inn prvate property?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486276)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

No, I'm suggesting they will make the cross akin to the confederate flag and try and turn every display of it into a type of hate speech. They will say seeing a cross makes them so enraged, they cannot control what they do, and the display of it, even on private property, is only being done to incite them. Why else would you need to put a huge cross anywhere but to offend and incite? It's not like the Bible requires the display of the cross anywhere. In fact, it forbids graven images.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486550)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:25 AM
Author: razzmatazz carnelian persian parlour

interesting argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34486566)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:36 PM
Author: Wonderful old irish cottage

If we have learned one thing over the last 30 years is libs will never be satisfied. The only way to deal with them is to go on the offensive. Kind of like that Seinfeld episode when Jerrys dad and Kramer made a deal to split the raincoat sales 35/65 and each decided they were getting screwed. Kramer said he wanted 50/50 and Morty said more like 15. The argued and ended up compromising on 35/65 again. The only way to even keep the status quo is for conservatives to push for more christian symbols on government property.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34487719)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:56 PM
Author: razzmatazz carnelian persian parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34487920)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:43 PM
Author: electric address wagecucks

so you're just making some thlippery thlope concern troll argument?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34487777)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: dashing awkward sneaky criminal gas station

cr if there's anything to be gleaned from are 2017 political hellscape its that libs have an innate sense of when 2 leave well enough alone and u can comfortably bet ur constitutional rights, society, and life on libs stopping in the appropriate place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34487816)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:51 PM
Author: charcoal point quadroon

you should know when to pack it in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34487859)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: laughsome stead depressive

Same shit happened in San Diego and was a huge deal when in was an extern.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-soledad-final-2016sep08-story,amp.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34478921)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:37 PM
Author: Amber stimulating jew locale

the way this works in criminal law is that the courts acknowledge something that was screwing the defendants was improper, but we're only going to save the one appealing defendant and future ones. past defendants? sol

to any extent this is a violation of the 1st amendment, it should stay for historical reference and let contemporaneous shitlibs fight new ones.

rather like how confederate monuments should have been handled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479242)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 1:56 PM
Author: Boyish fantasy-prone menage french chef

Keep it up, libs!!! Trump 2020

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34479906)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:11 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle flirting public bath friendly grandma

Was this the work of Hawaii Judge?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768523&forum_id=2#34480627)