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Terminator 1 is so superior to 2 it's ridiculous
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:17 PM Author: talented buff brethren yarmulke Schwarzenegger actually acts in Terminator 1 and puts his physicality to work in amazing ways. He is truly robotic in 97% of his scenes. Sarah Connor's character development is really crazy too. She goes from ditzy waitress to Che Guevara in 90 minutes. 2nd half of T2 is basically unwatchable because it's just Edward Furlong hamming it up like son and dad after they reconfigure his brain. Arnold even SMILES after he picks up the minigun. Robert Patrick sucks but he actually outclassed Arnold in that film.
Also, T1 is the only movie where Arnold plays a villain. It's utter bullshit that he goes through all of T2 without killing a single fucking person. Nothing else Schwarzenegger ever did in his entire career came close to the sheer brutality and terror of this scene:
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:19 PM Author: beady-eyed shrine He played a villain in Pumping Iron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504457) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:23 PM Author: cracking mentally impaired crackhouse 2 is a better movie
arnold is better in 1, agreed
2 different things |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:37 PM Author: Arousing bearded travel guidebook windowlicker He was Mr Freeze, but I could forgive you for repressing that memory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504580) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:50 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested His early films were the best. I thought he was great as Conan the Barbarian and the Terminator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504671) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:56 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life Although don't go too early or you'll wind up with Hercules in New York (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504723) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:57 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested Not that early though I have never seen that film only heard of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504740) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Boyish area Absolutely cr. Terminator the first was almost a horror movie and Arnold was genuinely frightening. My ex gf used to remark how scared she was during the scene where he chases Sarah in the night club.
I think he does kill people in T2 though, in the mall/arcade shootout scene some bystanders get laid to waste by his shotgun. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:46 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life Yeah originally Cameron was interested in making a slasher but he thought Halloween was the definitive word there. So he put his own twist on it, and it really does function like a slasher.
I find the police station shoot out absolutely terrifying. Sarah should be safe there, she's in a building filled with armed, trained men and women. But they're all cut to pieces and helpless against an unstoppable killing machine.
Oh, and the mom's voice part is chilling. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:49 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested Arnold is terrifying as the bad guy and does stuff that he wouldn't ever do again once he wanted to establish himself as the good guy/hero in every film e.g.
- execute a random middle aged woman by shooting her in the head multiple times
- machinegun a crowd of random people at a disco dance
- attack a police station and murder 20+ police officers
No big star would play a bad guy who did stuff like this its just too evil. But that's what makes him such a good character.
I read somewhere about the making of T1 and it set new standards for making such a good film on a low budget. Apparently the main reason most of it takes place at night is not only for atmospherics but because it was much cheaper to shoot at night.
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:52 PM Author: Boyish area Agreed, and it is often the case that lower budgets lead to more creativity. Restrictions can be liberating. Once Cameron got the big budgets his stuff became sanitized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504693) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:54 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life I think the low budget sort of helps in other ways. Like, the scenes of the future war in T1 are cheesy as hell, but there's a dark minimalism to them that I think is very effective. It evokes the feeling of a desperate, grim war in a way that all the impressive effects of Terminator Salvation don't.
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:01 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested Its the same way that the original Star Wars looked so good because they shot the space battle scenes using models of spaceships that had realistic wear and tear on them and blue screen and not CGI. Sometimes it does look too fake (the Death Star looks too much like foam blocks in some scenes) but generally it looks more "real" than the best CGI could do for a very long time. You just have to look at the awful CGI extras that they added to the film when George Lucas tried to ruin it by making a "special edition" to see how badly they grate compared to the original special effects.
PS: and yes, Terminator Salvation was a complete nothing. The low budget scenes in T1 of the future war, in particular the scene where a terminator breaks into the human bunker and starts killing everyone are far more effective. Even the cheezy stop motion effects are better. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:06 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life Yeah gimme practical effects any day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504816) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Anal property really tough guy good post. you should write about movies more often (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504607) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Floppy low-t cruise ship pervert The concept of 1 was certainly better. But 2 was better executed. Tough call in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504608) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:44 PM Author: Rusted out-of-control degenerate stead i can't deal with the annoying kid in T2. he ruins the movie. it's definitely James Cameron's lowest-common-denominator faggotry coming out. OMG THE TERMINATOR IS CRYING!11 AND SAYING 'DICKWAD'! HEHEHEHE. i hate that fucker. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:45 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested I agree with this. T1 is a better film than T2 because it was much more innovative and a lot more adult, grimmer and darker than T2. T2 was weak because of the annoying child and AS wanting to play the good guy.
I feel the same way about Alien v Aliens though I think Aliens is closer to Alien than T2 is to T1. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:51 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life Cr. I think part of it is the aesthetic--both T1 and T2 are amazing time capsules of their eras, and there's overlap, but they have different feels and a different sense of production design
Aliens is much slicker than Alien, but it still retains a sense of the "used future" aesthetic of the first one. For example, all the toys we see that the colonist's kids has in Aliens are dingy 1980s toys. It's a tiny detail, but it brings home the idea that, even if technology has progressed to the point of space mining, pulse rifles and synthetic humans, it's still based in material realities |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:57 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested And to be fair to Aliens it didn't set out to be in the same SF horror genre as Alien. It was consciously made as more of a action film with lots of characters and lots of shooting rather than the slow horrible pace of Alien.
I agree about the shows being time capsules of what people at the time thought the future was going to be like. There was a huge change in the late 70s from the 60s idealised flying car squeaky clean futures (e.g. Logans Run, Lost in Space TV series) to the more gritty used and worn futures that I think Star Wars, Alien and Blade Runner are good examples of. I like Logans Run but in retrospect it looks like it was made 20 years before Alien, not three.
I also thought the creepiness of the Alien crashed ship, the eggs and the horrible Alien's physical features were new and unique.
In comparison T2 set out to be a better T1 but it certainly wasn't. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:42 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life In terms of unique...have you seen the original Alien trailer? It tells you basically nothing about the movie except "it's not going to be a happy time" but it's one of the most effective ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34505123) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Rusted out-of-control degenerate stead the only thing is, T1 is almost like a B movie. it's really low-rent/low budget, almost to the point where it's distracting. like you're watching a TV movie or something. it's still a classic, but T2 is just so much slicker. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:51 PM Author: apoplectic public bath idea he suggested But the low budget actually meant that they relied on plot and character more than T2 which was just another Hollywood special effects bonanza (though not remotely as bad as current day films). As I noted above apparently the low budget is the main reason most of the film takes place at night and its better and more scary for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504686) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:57 PM Author: Rusted out-of-control degenerate stead T1 is definitely a better movie by far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504735) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:52 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life Agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504688) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:50 PM Author: very tactful boiling water T2 was amazingly, relentlessly paced, slick as fuck, and one of the first modern big blockbusters.
i like T1 and T2 had some cheesy moments but T2 is much grander, more epic, fully realized.
(and the franchise shoulda fucking stopped there ugh...) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 6:55 PM Author: odious crawly karate goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504709) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:29 PM Author: Costumed swollen old irish cottage i enjoyed genisys.
it didnt take a shit on the series like T3 and wasnt as stupidly boring as salvation.
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:15 PM Author: Lavender chapel The special FX in T2 made everyone overlook that it wasn't that great of a movie plotwise. But it has some great chase scenes that are undeniably better than T1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34504883) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 7:38 PM Author: razzle-dazzle erotic senate selfie title in op is correct. covering metal in living tissue in order to be able to go through worm hole is straining, but plausible and cool ronco metal that can shapeshift into anything and any color and still be a machine is beyond stupid. those things would have won the war against humans in 20 minutes. oh but gweat thpecial effecths!!! |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:54 AM Author: Titillating place of business pit If only humans in the future had a way to weaponize the plasma which seemed to be their only weekend... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34507254) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:25 AM Author: Exciting clown goddamn you are always so retarded and weird, never fails (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34507354) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:24 AM Author: Exciting clown first one is an all-time great sci-fi-fi thriller b-movie. but it's not necessarily a better movie. t2 was the high-water mark for action movies at that point and the rest of the 90s action fare was just attempts at recreating the shit that cameron mastered in that movie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34507350) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 1:26 AM Author: Titillating place of business pit Judgment Day has been copied so much it looks cliche now. Easy to forget it was revolutiinary. Every action movies is a ripoff if either Judgment Day or The Matrix. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34507361) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 7:28 AM Author: very tactful boiling water truth. judgment day defined the action blockbuster for years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3771770&forum_id=2#34507808) |