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Prenup Is a Four-Letter Word Modern Love By ABBY MIMS OCT....
flatulent really tough guy
  10/23/17
lmao, pretty much describes most working men and women i kno...
Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian
  10/23/17
"a false sense of lifestyle" accurate phrase
flatulent really tough guy
  10/23/17
UMC? This is a 42 year old with no savings, an underwater To...
Obsidian rough-skinned athletic conference ratface
  10/23/17
How dare her husband ask for a prenup!?
adventurous casino goal in life
  10/23/17
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Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian
  10/23/17
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Obsidian rough-skinned athletic conference ratface
  10/23/17
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scarlet site mother
  10/23/17
Every time I read stuff like this I am grateful for my cheap...
adventurous casino goal in life
  10/23/17
pddj's rejection of GC is so 180. xo really underrated her i...
wonderful navy piazza ape
  10/23/17
Yep just about every unmarried woman I know lives well beyon...
Sickened Cuck Blood Rage
  10/23/17
"He wasn’t unhappy with his career, but his admission s...
Vivacious amber electric furnace heaven
  10/23/17
"Our relationship’s albatross — money — felt like it wa...
soul-stirring codepig shitlib
  10/23/17
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demanding hall
  10/23/17
Lulz. Just lulz.
fragrant pea-brained selfie
  10/23/17
EL JAY EL @ not marrying a woman who makes as much or more m...
Appetizing theater quadroon
  10/23/17
shell still spend it all
demanding hall
  10/23/17
cr i have a friend who's been in biglaw for 10 years, single...
Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian
  10/23/17
haha cunt
demanding hall
  10/23/17
i was literally like, how the fuck do you not have money sav...
Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian
  10/23/17
is she attractive
Appetizing theater quadroon
  10/23/17
very average. i wouldn't date her
Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian
  10/23/17
so she likely has a poor socially and spends the majority of...
Appetizing theater quadroon
  10/23/17
Sounds like she had a kid just to trap him into marriage and...
Yellow halford
  10/23/17
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racy gay location patrolman
  10/23/17
"On paper, I had approximately $3,500 in savings, no re...
Ivory useless brakes
  10/23/17
well yeah with EITC and everything else the govt was probabl...
deep cream dingle berry
  10/23/17
Ding ding ding. Enjoy your 50% marginal tax rate so there's...
Ivory useless brakes
  10/23/17
Ran here
lake public bath faggot firefighter
  10/23/17
Fuck. lol. Poor guy.
honey-headed resort
  10/23/17
Here is another article by this shrew where she talks about ...
racy gay location patrolman
  10/23/17
If you ain't no punk
Stirring high-end institution
  10/23/17
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scarlet site mother
  10/23/17
Seems like this article is an endoresment of prenups in some...
Ruby Mildly Autistic Travel Guidebook Property
  10/23/17
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excitant greedy school cafeteria mexican
  10/23/17
if you didnt start dating before twenty five, get a prenup. ...
thriller coffee pot whorehouse
  10/23/17
guy who lives in a first world country here, sup
Ruddy mad cow disease place of business
  10/23/17
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demanding hall
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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: flatulent really tough guy

Prenup Is a Four-Letter Word

Modern Love

By ABBY MIMS OCT. 13, 2017

On the corner of my lawyer’s desk was a red button marked “No.” It was the type you might find in a display of gag gifts, next to the Whoopee cushions and boxing nun action figures.

My 18-month-old son, Jamie, was on my lap, fussing and squirming with enough force that I was struggling to remain upright. As my lawyer talked about the prenuptial agreement my fiancé’s lawyer had drawn up, that “No” button became my focal point, as if it were warning me not to sign.

I was 42, as was my fiancé, Matt. We had been together for six years. The first two were long-distance, with him in Mountain View, Calif., and me in Portland, Ore., where I was caring for my terminally ill mother. Until, at her urging, I moved south to join Matt. A few years later, we had Jamie.

I wanted to get married then, but Matt held back. Marriage scared him more than having a child together, and a big part of his fear was financial. He did eventually propose, beautifully so, but as we got further in our wedding planning, he said he wanted us to sign a prenup.

I cringed but ultimately agreed, believing it was the only way forward.

He said he would pay all of the lawyers’ fees and make it as easy as possible. It sounded simple. The reality, however — especially having to confess every detail of my sketchy financial history to this lawyer — was nothing short of awful.

On paper, I had approximately $3,500 in savings, no retirement account and a four-year-old Toyota Yaris with a Blue Book value of $8,000, on which I still owed $4,000. Humbled cannot begin to describe how I felt. More like demoralized, demolished and desperate.

My lawyer asked if I had read the document carefully and understood the terms.

I numbly nodded, but I was lying. I hadn’t read it. I didn’t understand the terms. I hated being forced to consider the implications of divorce before I was even married, no matter how much I loved and trusted Matt.

The agreement was essentially California law on paper if we ever left the state, which I understood to mean that if we were to divorce, we would leave the marriage with what we had brought into it and divide the rest. That seemed fair to me. We were in our 40s, not our 20s, and he was the one with assets to lose.

Money, Matt often said, was what people fought about most and what broke up relationships and marriages. True to form, we had been fighting about money since we started dating, our arguments complicated by the vastly different ways we had chosen to live our lives.

After a few post-college years working in marketing, I had quit the corporate world to wait tables and write, living paycheck to paycheck ever since. As a result, when Matt and I met, I had racked up $10,000 in credit card debt and my savings account was empty.

Matt had done the opposite, spending about 15 years at the same company, working in finance, no less. He had saved and saved, amassing an amount that he hadn’t disclosed to anyone.

However, Matt once told me that if he could have done anything with his life, he would have been a rock journalist, à la Lester Bangs. He wasn’t unhappy with his career, but his admission suggested he had traded passion for stability, whereas I had followed my passion at the expense of stability. Why should I be entitled to his money?

My lawyer pulled out a yellow tablet on which he calculated the hypothetical divorce payout from a man I wasn’t yet married to from the sale of a house we didn’t yet own. He worried that a house-sale clause could be unfair to me.

The other lawyers I’d contacted had been overly familiar and aggressive simultaneously, saying, “How exciting! Well, let’s hope the document just goes into a drawer for the next 20 years, right? So, what exactly are your assets?”

I thanked them for their time and $5,000 retainer estimates. I chose this lawyer because he had been comparatively relaxed about the process and its cost. Now, I sort of hated him. As he rattled off figures, Jamie started to cry.

The lawyer looked up, winked and pushed the “No” button, filling his office with mechanized cries: “No way!” “I don’t think so!” “Nope!”

My son laughed, and I managed a grim smile. Then the lawyer continued to point out all the ways I was going to lose should the marriage fail.

I finally stopped him and said, eyes brimming, “Can you just tell me what it all means?”

Our relationship’s albatross — money — felt like it was rotting on a rope around my neck. Over the years, Matt had fixated on its importance to an annoying degree: How much was I saving for my move to California? Were my weekly happy hour outings with girlfriends really necessary? Was I ever going to find a job with benefits and a 401(k)?

I felt controlled, sometimes trapped.

My mother said, “He’s got to let you breathe or he’s going to lose you.”

It became such an issue that we spent a few months in couples therapy when Jamie was an infant. Those sessions helped us understand that his money issues stemmed from family dynamics and a string of former girlfriends who had betrayed him.

Understanding the situation, however, didn’t change how Matt felt about it. He still wanted the prenup. Big numbers in bank accounts made him feel protected from the chaos of the world in a way they didn’t for me. Just as this process felt humiliating for me in a way it didn’t for him. I had told only one friend about it, a stay-at-home mother who, coincidentally, is married to a lawyer.

“People get them all the time,” she said. “It’s not that big of a deal.”

When I left the lawyer’s office that day, I felt miserable and unmoored. As I walked to my Yaris with my still-fussing son balanced on one hip, I called Matt, sobbing. I told him what had happened and how surprisingly worthless it made me feel.

“What a mess,” he said. “I thought it would be simple. I forgot that nothing is simple when you get lawyers involved. Listen, I don’t know what he’s talking about, but let’s just sign it and finish the process. Let’s be done.”

That’s what I wanted, to be done. Done feeling like a failure. Done having lawyers involved in my relationship. Done feeling too much like the wife in “The Joy Luck Club” who has to split everything down the middle with her husband, including the strawberry ice cream, which she doesn’t eat and in fact despises.

I called my lawyer and told him Matt and I were getting married in a week and I wanted to sign the prenup. He advised against, citing the troublesome house-sale clause.

Finally, for several thousand more dollars in fees, he negotiated with Matt’s lawyer to change language that Matt had never asked to be included so that when we sold the house we didn’t yet own, I would get my fair share.

A few days later, Matt and I sat in a conference room and made the agreement official. Jamie was with us, spinning in the boardroom chairs and giggling, moving back and forth between Matt and me. The lawyers were chatty and friendly as we signed, pressed our thumbs into an ink pad and had everything notarized.

It was early, and we hadn’t eaten breakfast. After leaving, we walked to a nearby diner with faded wallpaper and chipped tabletops. We ordered, then sat in silence. Our wedding at the courthouse in San Francisco was 48 hours away.

“I’m so sorry,” Matt said, eyes down. “This was an awful thing I did to you, to us. And for all the fights we’ve had about money, this was a huge waste of it.”

“But there was no other way,” I said. “If I fought you on it, everything would have imploded.”

“I know,” he said.

I was grateful for his apology. But the truth is that we would both be better off from what we’d gone through, even if we didn’t realize it yet. Matt had a signed agreement that made him feel safer, and I didn’t have to fight for an acknowledgment of how unnecessary it was in the first place. What’s more, money no longer felt like a huge “No” in the middle of our relationship.

Two years later, I don’t even know where we put our prenuptial agreement, and I hope I never need to know. One thing is clear: Our fights about money have eased. The prenup was hell, but in the end it was almost as if that document became a repository for our anxieties, holding on to them so we didn’t have to.

Abby Mims, a writer in Mountain View, Calif., is working on a collection of essays.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508700)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian

lmao, pretty much describes most working men and women i know.

most of the professional guys try to sock away money.

meanwhile, many of the girls (not all, there are some frugal ones out there) spend spend spend, which not only prevents them from accruing assets, but also gives them a false sense of lifestyle -- and we wonder why so many UMC households have two earners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508723)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: flatulent really tough guy

"a false sense of lifestyle"

accurate phrase

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508728)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Obsidian rough-skinned athletic conference ratface

UMC? This is a 42 year old with no savings, an underwater Toyota Yaris, and an 18 month child with someone who she isn't married to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508786)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:55 AM
Author: adventurous casino goal in life

How dare her husband ask for a prenup!?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508908)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508987)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Obsidian rough-skinned athletic conference ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510993)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: scarlet site mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510899)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: adventurous casino goal in life

Every time I read stuff like this I am grateful for my cheapskate wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508904)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:00 PM
Author: wonderful navy piazza ape

pddj's rejection of GC is so 180. xo really underrated her in the beginning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508933)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:42 PM
Author: Sickened Cuck Blood Rage

Yep just about every unmarried woman I know lives well beyond her means and travels too much and saves nothing and gets a dog they can't afford and

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510546)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:47 AM
Author: Vivacious amber electric furnace heaven

"He wasn’t unhappy with his career, but his admission suggested he had traded passion for stability, whereas I had followed my passion at the expense of stability. Why should I be entitled to his money?"

exactly. what a person brings into a marriage should stay with that person upon divorce. a prenup should clarify things where there is a dispute about what each is bringing into the marriage, such as joint contributions to the mortgage of one's house pre marriage.

it's not this way everywhere, though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508866)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 11:56 AM
Author: soul-stirring codepig shitlib

"Our relationship’s albatross — money — felt like it was rotting on a rope around my neck. Over the years, Matt had fixated on its importance to an annoying degree: How much was I saving for my move to California? Were my weekly happy hour outings with girlfriends really necessary? Was I ever going to find a job with benefits and a 401(k)?

I felt controlled, sometimes trapped.

My mother said, “He’s got to let you breathe or he’s going to lose you.”"

holy fucking shit some women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508914)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: demanding hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509208)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: fragrant pea-brained selfie

Lulz. Just lulz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34508982)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: Appetizing theater quadroon

EL JAY EL @ not marrying a woman who makes as much or more money than you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509013)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: demanding hall

shell still spend it all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509210)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian

cr i have a friend who's been in biglaw for 10 years, single no responsibilities, and she lost her job and was FREAKING OUT to me bc she'd be literally homeless in 6 months, and that included the 3 months of severance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509235)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: demanding hall

haha cunt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509238)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian

i was literally like, how the fuck do you not have money saved? and i'm not even a penny pincher

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509251)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:39 PM
Author: Appetizing theater quadroon

is she attractive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510525)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: Onyx talented bawdyhouse persian

very average. i wouldn't date her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510537)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: Appetizing theater quadroon

so she likely has a poor socially and spends the majority of her money on her own dinner and outings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510551)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:20 PM
Author: Yellow halford

Sounds like she had a kid just to trap him into marriage and he finally caved. Poor guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509046)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: racy gay location patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509243)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:20 PM
Author: Ivory useless brakes

"On paper, I had approximately $3,500 in savings, no retirement account and a four-year-old Toyota Yaris with a Blue Book value of $8,000, on which I still owed $4,000. Humbled cannot begin to describe how I felt. More like demoralized, demolished and desperate."

U: Unable to have kids because you only make 200K a year.

Her: Formed babby with no real income, net worth of $7,500.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509049)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: deep cream dingle berry

well yeah with EITC and everything else the govt was probably effectively paying her for the kid, add in whatever daddy chipped in and she's making out like a bandit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509108)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:29 PM
Author: Ivory useless brakes

Ding ding ding. Enjoy your 50% marginal tax rate so there's money for dem programs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509117)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: lake public bath faggot firefighter

Ran here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510974)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: honey-headed resort

Fuck. lol. Poor guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509147)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: racy gay location patrolman

Here is another article by this shrew where she talks about her plan to marry a famous wealthy writer and have an easy life. Ultimately, this is a woman who wants all the fruits of hard work without the actual sacrifice.

http://observer.com/2012/07/joshua-ferris-and-the-problem-of-being-a-hater-07262012/

"This is David Benioff and his exquisite wife, actress Amanda Peet. Benioff went to Irvine, and I therefore believed that at least one Benioff writerly-type dude would be at Irvine, and he would be single and fall madly in love with me. Said dude would then go on to write million-dollar screenplays or perhaps Game of Thrones, while I penned devastatingly brilliant literary novels and taught religious metaphor in the works of Flannery O’Conner to inner-city school children."

She is pissed that a man who worked 14 hours a day while she was lazy is successful. Why can't she have fame and fortune without talent or hard work?

"And I will say, too, that he was a man obsessed. While the rest of us were screwing around with our crushes and debating whether or not to use our middle initial when published, he was writing. I mean really writing, all the time, sometimes a rumored fourteen hours a day."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509228)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 12:56 PM
Author: Stirring high-end institution

If you ain't no punk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34509295)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: scarlet site mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34510985)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: Ruby Mildly Autistic Travel Guidebook Property

Seems like this article is an endoresment of prenups in some circumstances?

She seems pretty reasonable and non shrewy/feminist/shitlib here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34511033)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 9:43 PM
Author: excitant greedy school cafeteria mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34513321)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 9:47 PM
Author: thriller coffee pot whorehouse

if you didnt start dating before twenty five, get a prenup. dont feel bad because it never would have been a real relationship anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34513349)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 9:47 PM
Author: Ruddy mad cow disease place of business

guy who lives in a first world country here, sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34513352)



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Date: October 23rd, 2017 9:48 PM
Author: demanding hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3772301&forum_id=2#34513357)