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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:33 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio My friend is tall and okay looking, but kind of a weird dude who spends A LOT of time playing video games and gambling. Not at all family oriented. Doesn't make much money. He never had a consistent GF because no American woman would put up with his lifestyle/personality.
He starts online dating with Ukrainian women and brought over an absolute smoke show. Relationship lasts a few years and she cucks him and moves away. A few years ago he brings over his next Ukrainian. She is also extremely hot, but much more wholesome than the last one. She cooks/cleans and works part time to bring home a little extra money. This guy is a huge beta, but is the absolute master of his domain at home.
More and more I am thinking this sort of thing is criminally underrated as a life plan. It comes with obvious risks, but he is married to by far the hottest girl of anyone I know and she is like a 1950's era housewife. His "dating" time was spent flying overseas and banging a string of 8-9's instead of taking gassy shrews to overpriced bars. As a relatively normal and young guy he was like Brad Pitt in his prime in the online Ukrainian bride dating scene.
I am wondering if he is some sort of pioneer and with the rise of MGTOW and Western women's rejections of traditional feminine roles this will inevitably become a widespread phenomena. Online dating used to have a stigma. In 10 years time, I think people might chuckle behind your back for settling for a chubby American woman instead of marrying a submissive Kiev 8. |
Date: October 31st, 2017 5:41 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Pic of first bride
https://imgur.com/9h9zByP |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:43 PM Author: french mint legal warrant THats 180. Fuck Libs. Good for this dude. It’s an obvious arbitrage opportunity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573178) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:44 PM Author: dashing rehab hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573195) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: french mint legal warrant Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573199) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:34 PM Author: Vivacious crystalline institution ljl at the ghetto section (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574185) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle native FAP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574207) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:17 PM Author: wonderful pale background story home 180! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574569) |
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Date: November 1st, 2017 2:25 AM Author: sinister lascivious state genital piercing Kiev 6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34577159) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Elite factory reset button goal in life I'm really enjoying this chapter in your poasting career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573174) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:49 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Thank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573253) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:43 PM Author: Mind-boggling Place Of Business Sounds like an incredibly lonely life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573181) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: french mint legal warrant We are all alone. Better to not be brow beaten by some corn-fed feminist shrew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573198) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: Mind-boggling Place Of Business Why is that the alternative? XO thinks dating is too black and white. You either date a 300lb feminist shrew or a pay-to-play Ukrainian bimbo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573221) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:49 PM Author: french mint legal warrant Yeah man just cop a top 1% female. Obvious choice for an xo poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573258) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:50 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573265) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: dashing rehab hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573204) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:44 PM Author: dashing rehab hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573190) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: Know-it-all cerebral karate menage I wonder why more people aren't doing this. Seems preferable to mgtow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573207) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: salmon old irish cottage eastern europeans are TRASH (and not really european) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573208) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: dashing rehab hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573219) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:47 PM Author: Know-it-all cerebral karate menage The women are 180. You're confused because many EE men are complete degenerates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573225) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:48 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Second bride
https://imgur.com/a/YfPCT |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:49 PM Author: dashing rehab hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573251) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:50 PM Author: ultramarine misanthropic principal's office pervert wowza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573268) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:50 PM Author: french mint legal warrant Ok but does she travel? Does she even have a Master’s Degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573272) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:55 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio LMAO. She actually has a masters degree in English and was a teacher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573323) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:59 PM Author: french mint legal warrant Some shrew will read this and have smoke coming out of her ears (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573358) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:00 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio God willing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573372) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Mind-boggling Place Of Business Poast again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573300) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: Lime Unholy Faggotry Sanctuary lol wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573481) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:23 PM Author: red curious wagecucks Can he do anything he wants to her body? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573584) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal Flame! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573956) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:26 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio (Angry shrew desperate to maintain dating status quo in America) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574109) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:29 PM Author: french mint legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574138) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:54 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal It's like that whole concept behind Anastasia date.com that was basically a few chicks hired by the site to lead male users on and make them think they had a chance at some international love affair with a 9 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574392) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:05 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Except I have met both of these women and seen messages from others. My friend is a relatively built 6'6 guy and in his thirties. There are very few guys like him on these sites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574461) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 11:48 PM Author: Disgusting resort windowlicker Excellent slow play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34576361) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:17 PM Author: wonderful pale background story home wtf am i doing with my life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574572) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:51 PM Author: Diverse Alcoholic Market Faggot Firefighter AGWWG is done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573279) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:52 PM Author: french mint legal warrant This is somewhat devastating for them. Most will seppuku before going back to Asian “men” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573292) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:55 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573329) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:58 PM Author: Cordovan school wrinkle Doesnt she take half his $ when she cucks him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573344) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 5:59 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Never got a straight answer from him on that one. I think they had a clean split because he could have her deported and say she duped him into marriage or something. It is unclear and he is evasive when I bring it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573365) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:00 PM Author: Cordovan school wrinkle NEWSFLASH: He got taken to the fucking cleaners and too embarrassed to tell you. The took decades of his life's earnings away from him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573373) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:02 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio I don't think it did. His lifestyle is the same, he bought a house. I think he probably gave her money to go away. It was a small loss at most.
The funny part is I was actually the one who told him she was cheating because she popped up on an online dating account of mine. |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:03 PM Author: khaki vigorous garrison What was his name? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573404) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:02 PM Author: indigo church new version Do all US citizens have an infinite supply of K-1s they can sponsor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573397) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: ultramarine misanthropic principal's office pervert how does this work? you go there and attend parties with prospective brides or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573444) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Hairraiser amber trailer park there's probably some websites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573454) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio It is like Match.com but for Ukrainian women looking for men who live overseas. He talked to a bunch of them and then would fly over for a debauched week of "dating", narrow his list down and repeat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573460) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Smoky prole jew what do they talk about/do together? can they even communicate? does she actually like him at this point or is it just going thru the motions the rest of thier lives? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573457) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio She was an english teacher and is fluent so there is no problem communicating.
Don't know to be honest. He spends a lot of time alone with his video games and at the casinos. She seems to like him and they do way more wholesome stuff together then he used to and I think she has been a positive influence on him. He likes her so much he is making an effort to change. |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Smoky prole jew ok, thats cool. to not be able to communicate would be depressing and probably worse than being alone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573496) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:30 PM Author: french mint legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574150) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: Amethyst Judgmental Location Nowag What prevents somebody from saying they want a Ukranian bride, attending these events, "sampling the goods" and then flying home without ever following up?
Asking for a friend. |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:12 PM Author: Hairraiser amber trailer park eastern europeans are not high on my list of "people I want to fuck with", especially the type of *((unsavory))* characters that probably run these events (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573478) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:14 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Nothing, this isn't like an agency where you have to commit or owe them a ton of money or something. Just need to pay for the site, which is about as expensive as eharmony. There are no events, it is exactly like online dating in the US, but with overseas women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573502) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: Lime Unholy Faggotry Sanctuary whats this awful site, asking for a friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573507) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: Smoky prole jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573509) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Would need to research. He wouldn't tell me exactly what site he was using because he was embarrassed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573517) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:31 PM Author: Lime Unholy Faggotry Sanctuary your friend arbitraged the international dating market. he's a genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573631) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:24 PM Author: Amethyst Judgmental Location Nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573591) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Smoky prole jew can we have some more pics for research poirposes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573512) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:16 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Gotta get back to work...will poast more research materials later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573521) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 6:20 PM Author: brindle titillating casino i'd be on her too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573548) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:06 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal I'm calling flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573908) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:10 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Not flame brother. I would never lie to my XO brethren. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573945) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: Lemon area preventive strike There's just something weird about it. How do you even relate to some eastern European whore that you suddenly have living under your roof. And she knows you were so much of a lonely heart loser that you had to resort to this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573919) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:10 PM Author: indigo church new version (Guy with bitchy fat woke shrew who won’t cook or clean) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573946) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal In some cultures women are empathetic and feel a desire and biological urge to comfort and dare I say love a lonely man, so long as he provides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574010) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:33 PM Author: Cyan Effete Useless Brakes Twinkling Uncleanness is this 180? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574175) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:52 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal I don't know. Women who feel some obligation and urge to nurture her man? Probably worse than the status obsessed Chad chasing behavior we see today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574371) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:35 PM Author: Lemon area preventive strike lol ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574193) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal Modern American women have brainwashed into thinking women were never driven to be nurturers or care for their men--that they always were and always will be narcissistic consumerist slaves for Global Capitalism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34575869) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:35 PM Author: french mint legal warrant They need to be liberated by feminism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574196) |
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Date: November 1st, 2017 12:04 AM Author: Beady-eyed Dun Theater Stage This is your brainwashed mind talking. Relate? Brah, there are still cultures where people get arrange-married and spend their entire lives together. And you wonder if you will be able to relate to some hottie that speaks English?? Do you have any idea how retarded you come across? Relate... jfc look at you? What does this even mean??? Discuss the fine points of Hillary's bowel movements? Like seriously what the hell does this even mean? Cook meals, pay bills, go to work, watch some tv, drink some wine, and fuck - done. What the fuck do you need to relate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34576467) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: Cordovan school wrinkle Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSmrEm6yQbI |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:45 PM Author: Lime Unholy Faggotry Sanctuary lol at that poor guy. im convinced that website is in cahoots with the girls to scam losers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574294) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:19 PM Author: khaki vigorous garrison of course, they use the girl's pics and outsource the messaging. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574589) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:14 PM Author: glittery hall son of senegal Check out the documentary "Odessa Girls" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34573982) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 7:29 PM Author: ultramarine misanthropic principal's office pervert Honestly any white american guy of decent height who has spent much time in poor countries knows that it's a heck of a lot easier to date attractive girls pretty much anywhere than here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574136) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:03 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio He wouldn't tell me what site he used, but here are some of the top options.
https://idateadvice.com/top-10-russian-and-ukraine-dating-sites |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:19 PM Author: irradiated digit ratio Additional pic
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Date: October 31st, 2017 8:22 PM Author: Puce water buffalo Gods work friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34574610) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 10:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle native *hies to Kiev* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34575899) |
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Date: November 1st, 2017 12:01 AM Author: Beady-eyed Dun Theater Stage Is that her daughter from her first marriage in the background? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34576447) |
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Date: October 31st, 2017 11:02 PM Author: laughsome crimson box office who do they normally cheat on you with? CHADs with money? Russian CHADs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#34575944) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Rambunctious chest-beating doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3781281&forum_id=2#35700593) |