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Civil War trivia: South had 10 war elephants but Gen. Lee wouldn't use them

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They're badly overrated in Civil War counterfactuals. Lee on...
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i think i read about that
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Didn't the CSA have better luck with war elephants in the We...
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Mostly just due to Union incompetence. Bragg always thought ...
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What else is proof of his military genius?
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Many things: -In addition to making skilled use of elepha...
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I'm gonna post this on r/askahistorian and see what they say
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were they white elephants? or african elephants?
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African. They were mostly supplied from the herd of Ezekiel ...
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it's crazy how u never hear about big-tusked war elephants i...
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Lincoln rejected the offer of counter elephants from Siam. ...
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Great letter, I liked this line: "Our political juri...
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fuck, I know you're right, but 500 war elephants decked out ...
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: clear swashbuckling theater cuckold



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: peach hilarious rigor rehab



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:26 PM
Author: iridescent gaming laptop



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: startled immigrant haunted graveyard

They're badly overrated in Civil War counterfactuals. Lee only had 10 because Joe Johnston committed the entire 18-elephant force at the battle of Seven Pines and it was a huge fiasco. McClellan gets shit on a lot for believing Pinkerton's ridiculously inflated estimates of Confederate strength, but one upside to this was that he believed the Army of Northern Virginia had at least 150 war elephants. As a result, every regiment in the Union army was well-prepared to use caltrops, parting ranks, and cacophony from the regimental band to disorient and enrage the elephants.

As a result, the elephant charge at Seven Pines was a disaster. Not only did the CSA lose six elephants while trampling only 193 Union troops, several of the elephants went into a rampage and stormed back into the Confederate lines, inflicting 130 casualties on the already-outnumbered Army of Northern Virginia. One of those casualties was Joe Johnston, who was gravely wounded when the lead elephant "Napoleon" gored his horse, causing it to fall on top of him. Of course, by allowing Lee to rise to full command of the army, it's possible this Confederate "disaster" extended the war by two years or more.

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:35 PM
Author: clear swashbuckling theater cuckold

i think i read about that

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:37 PM
Author: iridescent gaming laptop

Didn't the CSA have better luck with war elephants in the West?

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:54 PM
Author: startled immigrant haunted graveyard

Mostly just due to Union incompetence. Bragg always thought elephants were a stupid gimmick and a waste of valuable food resources, and he only maintained his 7-elephant force because Jefferson Davis insisted. He never committed them to battle, but at Chickamauga the irrational fear of a Confederate elephant charge on his left sparked the chain of events which caused Rosecrans to move Wood's division out of position. That, in turn, created the hole in the Union lines that caused their crushing defeat. The elephants themselves played no part in the fighting except as a psychological tool. Some hack historians count this as a victory for the elephants but I think that's pretty absurd.

That said. Forrest used three elephants well during his ambush at Brice's Crossroads, which I guess is more proof of his military genius. He also made excellent use of the Confederate grizzly bear unit, which only ever led to horrible friendly-fire maulings under the command of Earl Van Dorn.

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 6:27 PM
Author: iridescent gaming laptop



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:54 PM
Author: ruby heaven electric furnace



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 11:04 PM
Author: maroon boltzmann plaza

What else is proof of his military genius?

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 11:28 PM
Author: startled immigrant haunted graveyard

Many things:

-In addition to making skilled use of elephants, at Brice's Crossroads he utterly routed a Union army outnumbering him 2:1

-Using a divided force and superior airplane reconnaissance, Forrest outflanked, surprised, charged, and routed a Union detachment at Sacramento

-When his veteran brigade was absorbed into Bragg's army, Forrest on his own managed to recruit a completely green force of 2,000 fresh cavalrymen and trained them into a skilled, rapid moving raiding force. When initially recruited, many of the men lacked weapons or quality mounts, but by the time Forrest finished his lightning raid through Tennessee and Kentucky, every man had a mount and a weapon captured from the Union. Not only that, but Forrest's force could field 17 tanks, 26 armored cars, and an attack helicopter.

-Forrest not only defeated a Union cavalry raid by Abel Streight, but thanks to his superior force of computer hackers, he was able to convince Streight to surrender his force even though it actually had a numerical advantage.

-Forrest led an aggressive raid into western Tennessee in the fall of 1864, capturing hundreds of prisoners and causing millions of dollars of damage. Most importantly, though, Forrest captured a huge amount of supplies, including a critical cache of uranium which ensured the Union would not be able to complete its atomic bomb program before the end of the war. This feat likely saved Richmond from nuclear destruction.

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Date: March 1st, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: wonderful boistinker

I'm gonna post this on r/askahistorian and see what they say

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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: brass incel bawdyhouse

im so confused

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Date: April 26th, 2018 5:19 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:38 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:39 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:43 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:59 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 6:05 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 6:26 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 8:49 PM
Author: Appetizing Indian Lodge

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Date: November 6th, 2017 10:03 AM
Author: Exhilarant theater stage

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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: red contagious theatre windowlicker



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Date: April 23rd, 2021 11:25 PM
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:58 PM
Author: House-broken trailer park

were they white elephants? or african elephants?

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:50 PM
Author: startled immigrant haunted graveyard

African. They were mostly supplied from the herd of Ezekiel Abramson, a Georgia plantation owner who dabbled in the exotic African goods picked up by illegal slave traders to disguise their real business.

There was a lone Indian elephant that served as the mascot for Pemberton's army in Mississippi, but it was killed and eaten four days into the Siege of Vicksburg.

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:56 PM
Author: clear swashbuckling theater cuckold

it's crazy how u never hear about big-tusked war elephants in the civil war even though they were in most major battles. also there's a huge civil war elephant monument in DC that no one ever talks about

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Date: March 1st, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: stirring native



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: ruby heaven electric furnace

Lincoln rejected the offer of counter elephants from Siam.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/lincoln-rejects-king-siams-offer-elephants

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 8:00 PM
Author: violent sickened keepsake machete step-uncle's house

Great letter, I liked this line:

"Our political jurisdiction, however, does not reach a latitude so low as to favor the multiplication of the elephant, and steam on land, as well as on water, has been our best and most efficient agent of transportation in internal commerce."

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: startled immigrant haunted graveyard

Lincoln gets shit on a lot for meddling in military affairs as a politician, but he deserves credit here. Winfield Scott had lobbied hard for the creation of a 500-elephant Union Mahout Corps, arguing it could end the war in a fortnight, but Lincoln astutely recognized the huge logistical difficulties of the enterprise and directed Union resources in more profitable directions.

Little-known fact, btw: The first iteration of Scott's Anaconda Plan called for literally flooding the South with anacondas imported from Brazil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3783596&forum_id=2#34591311)



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: iridescent gaming laptop

fuck, I know you're right, but 500 war elephants decked out in gorgeous blue uniforms would have been a sight to behold

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Date: November 6th, 2017 10:04 AM
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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: red contagious theatre windowlicker



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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: red contagious theatre windowlicker



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: violent sickened keepsake machete step-uncle's house

Last use of war elephants in battle was later in 1893:

...in south-east Asia the use of elephants on the battlefield continued up until the end of the 19th century. One of the major difficulties in the region was terrain, and elephants could cross difficult terrain in many cases more easily than horse cavalry. Burmese forces used war elephants to oppose British forces until the First Anglo-Burmese War March–April 1825 battle of Danubyu, where they were stopped by Congreve rocket fire. The Siamese Army continued utilising war elephants armed with jingals up until the Franco-Siamese War of 1893, while the Vietnamese used them in battle as late as 1885, during the Sino-French War.

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Date: November 2nd, 2017 8:30 PM
Author: Filthy Trust Fund Queen Of The Night



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Date: November 2nd, 2017 10:42 PM
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Date: March 1st, 2018 2:47 PM
Author: clear swashbuckling theater cuckold



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Date: March 1st, 2018 2:49 PM
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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Floppy cobalt selfie stage

To be fair,

Particularly ironic given that a major factor in the Union's ultimate victory was their conscription of war monkeys.

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Date: April 23rd, 2021 11:08 PM
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